The President Obama Thread: "Election Year" Edition II

[Czar Colossus]

Exactly hh....every time these a**holes **** up we pay for it! Between Obama and Romney it's pretty sad what our options are.

[Matt]

So Obama cut into Bush quite a bit during his portrait unveiling. Said things about the economy that he inherited and all of that. I am not fan of Bush, not by a long shot....but there are times to turn off the campaign rhetoric and cut back the partisan nonsense. That was one of them.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Matt

So Obama cut into Bush quite a bit during his portrait unveiling. Said things about the economy that he inherited and all of that. I am not fan of Bush, not be a long shot....but there are times to turn off the campaign rhetoric and cut back the partisan nonsense. That was one of them.

Yeah, considering the way Bush has been treating Obama, Obama has been treating the guy like crap. It actually makes me feel bad for him.

[SentinelMind]

I wouldn't have known about this if it weren't for you guys...all I skim in Yahoo and AP article headlines is how Obama put his attacks on hold for Bush.

Classless.

Paraphrasing but he basically says..."despite all the tragedy going around under end of Bush's term...he did a courageous job...helping the transition to my administration." wow..what an egomaniac.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5l0_pKAAqw

[Handsome Rob]

Originally Posted by Matt

So Obama cut into Bush quite a bit during his portrait unveiling. Said things about the economy that he inherited and all of that. I am not fan of Bush, not be a long shot....but there are times to turn off the campaign rhetoric and cut back the partisan nonsense. That was one of them.

Just par for the course, I suppose. Hey, it's also the fault of Congress.

Everyone but Obama.

[Kelly]

I really liked Obama, and "liked" him enough to vote for him, even without knowing a whole lot about him.....and I thought, lets take a chance on the guy. I have grown to honestly "dislike" the guy. He comes off as having a HUGE ego, and that has turned into a huge turn off for me. He has turned into quite the ass, he did a damn good sales job his first campaign, but that won't fool me again.

[Handsome Rob]

Originally Posted by Kelly

I really liked Obama, and "liked" him enough to vote for him, even without knowing a whole lot about him.....and I thought, lets take a chance on the guy. I have grown to honestly "dislike" the guy. He comes off as having a HUGE ego, and that has turned into a huge turn off for me. He has turned into quite the ass, he did a damn good sales job his first campaign, but that won't fool me again.

Well, the day after the election, one of my Republican co-workers was lamenting the outcome. I told her, "Aw, cheer up. I don't think he'll be that bad."

I was wrong. He's bad. And much worse than I thought he would be.

I agree with your assessment of him. I can't even stand to listen to him talk, anymore.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

Yeah, considering the way Bush has been treating Obama, Obama has been treating the guy like crap. It actually makes me feel bad for him.

Likewise. Bush has been absolutely classy in his post-presidency. Despite the media's best attempt to get him to attack Obama, he continues to refuse. Obama should've shown him some courtesy. Like or hate Bush, agree or disagree with him, he was the president of our great country for eight years. He deserves a modicum of respect. Especially at something like the portrait unveiling. It should be a symbol of national pride and respect. Not a time to campaign. Obama attacking him at that venue to further his own agenda implies to me that Obama has no respect for the office that he holds.

[Smashlilman]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

Yeah, considering the way Bush has been treating Obama, Obama has been treating the guy like crap. It actually makes me feel bad for him.

That's just how the ball bounces. Sitting presidents will attack the previous president and former presidents usually take it and stay out of the public eye. Regan bashed Cater. Clinton bashed Bush 41. W Bush bashed Clinton. Obama is currently bashing W Bush. It's nothing new.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Smashlilman

That's just how the ball bounces. Sitting presidents will attack the previous president and former presidents usually take it and stay out of the public eye. Regan bashed Cater. Clinton bashed Bush 41. W Bush bashed Clinton. Obama is currently bashing W Bush. It's nothing new.

Both Carter and Clinton have not been particularly kind towards W. Bush.

But the biggest problem I find is not that Obama has been bashing Bush but that Bush has been incredibly gracious towards Obama. He has flat out said that he will not be criticizing Obama at all and the Bush transition team was incredibly helpful towards the Obama transition team. And then Obama bashes him in the most inappropriate ways possible.

[Matt]

Exactly. If he wants to take shots at Bush on the campaign trail or in press conferences, fine. It is fair game. But at the unveiling of Bush's presidential portrait? Even if Obama doesn't like Bush, show respect for the office and what that portrait represents. What's next? Is he going to give him backhanded compliments at the opening of his presidential library?

[Smashlilman]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

Both Carter and Clinton have not been particularly kind towards W. Bush.

But the biggest problem I find is not that Obama has been bashing Bush but that Bush has been incredibly gracious towards Obama. He has flat out said that he will not be criticizing Obama at all and the Bush transition team was incredibly helpful towards the Obama transition team. And then Obama bashes him in the most inappropriate ways possible.

That's because the Bush Administration tried to blame 911 on Clinton.

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

The Reagan and second Bush Administration went scorched earth on Carter and Clinton. The only thing that Obama does is say that Bush Administration's polices caused problem that we have to deal with today. He has to keep saying it because there trying to make it seem as if his polices caused the problems. It's like getting mad at a guy for fighting back instead of staying passive and taking the cheap shots that were thrown at him.

[Paradoxium]

Obama comes across as a spineless diva. Don't like the guy, fine. Say it to his face, man to man. But don't do it at his own public event. Especially when the guy who is afforded several opportunities to do that to him, and does not. When given the chance to prove he is better, Obama fails like another loser politico.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Smashlilman

That's because the Bush Administration tried to blame 911 on Clinton.

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

The Reagan and second Bush Administration went scorched earth on Carter and Clinton. The only thing that Obama does is say that Bush Administration's polices caused problem that we have to deal with today. He has to keep saying it because there trying to make it seem as if his polices caused the problems. It's like getting mad at a guy for fighting back instead of staying passive and taking the cheap shots that were thrown at him.

Again, I don't think anyone is saying don't say anything bad about your predecessors or don't use them as part of your campaign rhetoric. What we are saying is Obama's timing was entirely classless. Bush never bashed Clinton at the unveiling of his presidential portrait or the opening of his library.

[Schlosser85]

I detest "Dubya", but I have to agree that Obama's timing was classless. It's not the time or place for partisan jabs.

[SV Fan]

Originally Posted by Paradoxium

Obama comes across as a spineless diva. Don't like the guy, fine. Say it to his face, man to man. But don't do it at his own public event. Especially when the guy who is afforded several opportunities to do that to him, and does not. When given the chance to prove he is better, Obama fails like another loser politico.

I am not saying what Obama did was right but let me get this straight Obama is spinless and should air his peeves to Bush to his face, but when he did it to his face it's the wrong time. Your point sort of contradicts itself

[Matt]

I think what Dox is saying is that if Obama takes issue with Bush, he should invite him to the White House (or even just give him a call), sit down with him and speak to him like a man. Not hide behind backhanded compliments at a press event.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Smashlilman

That's because the Bush Administration tried to blame 911 on Clinton.

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

The Reagan and second Bush Administration went scorched earth on Carter and Clinton. The only thing that Obama does is say that Bush Administration's polices caused problem that we have to deal with today. He has to keep saying it because there trying to make it seem as if his polices caused the problems. It's like getting mad at a guy for fighting back instead of staying passive and taking the cheap shots that were thrown at him.

The Clinton Administration also treated the Bush Administration like crap, well before 9/11. The Clinton Transition Team was very uncooperative towards the Bush Transition Team. Clinton's treatment of Bush is said to be a big reason why Bush was very cooperative with Obama, because he didn't want to treat him the way he was treated.

[TheBat812]

Originally Posted by Matt

I think what Dox is saying is that if Obama takes issue with Bush, he should invite him to the White House (or even just give him a call), sit down with him and speak to him like a man. Not hide behind backhanded compliments at a press event.

Do you have knowledge of every meeting they've ever had? For all you know he has told him face to face already.


And I just watched the video. Exactly what is the point of contention here? All I hear him saying is that the time before he came into office was a chaotic time, and that we didn't yet know the full effects of the financial situation we were in. Not much attacking going on here, in fact he says that even in this hard time the Bush administration was fully cooperative in making a smooth transition to best help our country.

Now if he had said things like, the policies of Bush and his administration led directly to our current situation, then ya, you might have reason to find him classless, but honestly it feels like you guys are reaching here.

[SentinelMind]

Originally Posted by SV Fan

I am not saying what Obama did was right but let me get this straight Obama is spinless and should air his peeves to Bush to his face, but when he did it to his face it's the wrong time. Your point sort of contradicts itself

Obama uses traditionally non-partisan public events to bash opponents and develop campaign rhetoric. Think the State of the Union where he trashed the Supreme Court. He said it "to their faces" knowing it would have been inappropriate for them to respond at that venue. He knew they weren't going to shout "You lie." Likewise, it would have been inappropriate for President Bush to respond to Obama's campaign rhetoric at his own unveiling.

[SV Fan]

Originally Posted by SentinelMind

Obama uses traditionally non-partisan public events to bash opponents and develop campaign rhetoric. Think the State of the Union where he trashed the Supreme Court. He said it "to their faces" knowing it would have been inappropriate for them to respond at that venue. He knew they weren't going to shout "You lie." Likewise, it would have been inappropriate for President Bush to respond to Obama's campaign rhetoric at his own unveiling.

I personally think the State of the Union was the perfect moment to point out how idiotic Citizen's United vs the FEC was, can't really comment on what he did to Bush since I didn't see it but if he made thing politcal there I agree he should have toned it down a bit.

All that being said the person I quoted complained that Obama doesn't say it to Bush's face, which if going by everything I hear on here, he said it to Bush's face so his 2 comments contradict eachother.

[SentinelMind]

Originally Posted by SV Fan

I personally think the State of the Union was the perfect moment to point out how idiotic Citizen's United vs the FEC was, can't really comment on what he did to Bush since I didn't see it but if he made thing politcal there I agree he should have toned it down a bit.

All that being said the person I quoted complained that Obama doesn't say it to Bush's face, which if going by everything I hear on here, he said it to Bush's face so his 2 comments contradict eachother.

Obama trashing the Supreme Court at State of the Union was classless and overly partisan. Allowing Congress to celebrate while Supreme Court is humiliated on live television and not able to respond appropriately at the venue is reprehensible. Say it in Meet the Press or Larry King interview, that's not the best way to supposedly unite the country.

Obama may "say it to their face" but its at a venue where it would be inappropriate and overtly hostile to respond.

[Superman]

Originally Posted by TheBat812

Do you have knowledge of every meeting they've ever had? For all you know he has told him face to face already.


And I just watched the video. Exactly what is the point of contention here? All I hear him saying is that the time before he came into office was a chaotic time, and that we didn't yet know the full effects of the financial situation we were in. Not much attacking going on here, in fact he says that even in this hard time the Bush administration was fully cooperative in making a smooth transition to best help our country.

Now if he had said things like, the policies of Bush and his administration led directly to our current situation, then ya, you might have reason to find him classless, but honestly it feels like you guys are reaching here.

You'll get used to it around here.

[TheBat812]

Originally Posted by SentinelMind

Obama trashing the Supreme Court at State of the Union was classless and overly partisan. Allowing Congress to celebrate while Supreme Court is humiliated on live television and not able to respond appropriately at the venue is reprehensible. Say it in Meet the Press or Larry King interview, that's not the best way to supposedly unite the country.

Obama may "say it to their face" but its at a venue where it would be inappropriate and overtly hostile to respond.

It is a great way. Calling them on a very questionable decision. Once again, he IS saying it to their faces, not hiding behind a lense. I think you're not making much sense. It was completely appropriate. When is a better time to call them on their ******** than directly in front of the American people?

[hippie_hunter]

But again, the State of the Union is not meant to attack political opponents, particularly the Supreme Court.