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Old 06-06-2012, 06:47 PM   #26
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I wasn't basing my opinion on his interviews, I was basing it on his films that I've seen.

Michael Bay calls that into question.

Here's the thing: To me, he seems incredibly shallow. He seems to want to do things because they are cool without thinking about how it fits together in the overall film, how it effects the tone, or what it actually communicates to the audience. A major example is the soundtrack to Watchmen. All great songs, if it were a mix tape I would happily keep it in my car, but a lot of the musical segments seemed silly and out of place in the context of the film, at least to me. He didn't change a lot from the source material, but the things he did change said, to me, that he didn't really get what was important in the story. He completely changed the context and, by extension, the meaning of "nothing ever ends," which is arguably the most important thing in Watchmen which the themes and entire story hinge on. I get the feeling he didn't keep it the way it was because it was "just a line" and "could be said by anybody," and wasn't as important as the spectacle scenes like Dr. M in Vietnam. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how he comes off to me.

And Suckerpunch, which he had complete creative control over, was a very stupid movie.

I don't hate the guy, and I really like 300, but I just don't think he's a very smart director. And I think a JLA movie needs smart. Or at least, I'd prefer it.
I'm just gonna have to agree to disagree here.

Everything you've just said, I feel the exact opposite about pretty much.

But then plenty of people call Buffy stupid. Plenty of people call comics stupid. And it's more about taste and interpretation than it is about actual intelligence level IMO.

P.S. Just because Michael Bay's movies aren't in any way trying to be intelligent, doesn't mean the man is stupid...

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Well, at least there's no pre-existing Justice League film for him to homage to the point of basically making a remake.

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Here's the thing: To me, he seems incredibly shallow. He seems to want to do things because they are cool without thinking about how it fits together in the overall film, how it effects the tone, or what it actually communicates to the audience. A major example is the soundtrack to Watchmen. All great songs, if it were a mix tape I would happily keep it in my car, but a lot of the musical segments seemed silly and out of place in the context of the film, at least to me. He didn't change a lot from the source material, but the things he did change said, to me, that he didn't really get what was important in the story. He completely changed the context and, by extension, the meaning of "nothing ever ends," which is arguably the most important thing in Watchmen which the themes and entire story hinge on. I get the feeling he didn't keep it the way it was because it was "just a line" and "could be said by anybody," and wasn't as important as the spectacle scenes like Dr. M in Vietnam. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how he comes off to me.

And Suckerpunch, which he had complete creative control over, was a very stupid movie.

I don't hate the guy, and I really like 300, but I just don't think he's a very smart director. And I think a JLA movie needs smart. Or at least, I'd prefer it.
I agree with The Question, and that's why part of me is really worried how Man of Steel will turn out to be.

Imo, Snyder didn't really understand Watchmen, and you can see that how he drew out the sex scene, and went over the top with the violence in the film, changed the name Minutemen to Watchmen in the movie, and the changed ending, just some of the points. It totally blows the realism and subtlety of Watchmen out of the water.
(To avoid argument, yes, Dr. Manhattan had super powers, but the reaction of the people and society around him was grounded in realism).

I could ramble on about Watchmen, but that make this post off-topic.

Thing is, I feel like the only reason Watchmen and 300 were watchable because the source materials were exceptional.

So yeah, I wouldn't want to pick Snyder as director.

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Well, at least there's no pre-existing Justice League film for him to homage to the point of basically making a remake.
True, still think x-2 is the best team film.

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ABSOLUTELY. Sign him up. Best suggestion I've heard.
He'll be too busy.

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It sounds like a cop-out choice, but what about David Yates? He's clearly got a good working relationship with WB and his later Harry Potter movies show someone who has clearly got a grip on how to make a blockbuster. His action sequences become extraordinary, the last three HP's were absolutely gorgeous to look at and he's very good at striking a tone between fun and serious that I think WB will be aiming for with this.

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Well, I said it in another thread, but I just want to echo the sentiment of Brad Bird. There's just no better option, imo. And as for him being too busy for it, we don't even know when this thing is happening yet (I mean, so far they don't even have a first draft of a script), so I don't think that's a certainty at this point.

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What we need is a director with a real visual flair. But we also need some great writers, because JLA needs to have more than heart. It needs to have some depth, it needs to use concepts such as justice, truth, trust, and it needs to inspire people the way Dc characters can inspire us.

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I'm just gonna have to agree to disagree here.

Everything you've just said, I feel the exact opposite about pretty much.

But then plenty of people call Buffy stupid. Plenty of people call comics stupid. And it's more about taste and interpretation than it is about actual intelligence level IMO.

P.S. Just because Michael Bay's movies aren't in any way trying to be intelligent, doesn't mean the man is stupid...
Exactly, most people think comics are for kids, that's just silly stuff, etc. And Bay is a cynic, he gives the masses what they want.

If MOS is a success, Snyder would be a good choice, but Brad Bird is more talented, he's the right man for the job: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Bird

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True, still think x-2 is the best team film.
Gotta disagree here. x2 was not a team film is was Wolverine and the X-men. Avengers pretty much wiped the floor with X2 with respect to how it treated the individual characters.

Having said that, Singer is a good director and it wasn't his fault X2 went that way. That was more Lauren Shuler Donner that force X-men in to a Wolverine franchise.

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Yeah, people give Snyder way too much guff. I like the guy and he's a very good director (Sucker Punch sucked but it felt like an awesome music video).

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Gotta disagree here. x2 was not a team film is was Wolverine and the X-men. Avengers pretty much wiped the floor with X2 with respect to how it treated the individual characters.

Having said that, Singer is a good director and it wasn't his fault X2 went that way. That was more Lauren Shuler Donner that force X-men in to a Wolverine franchise.
I view it this way, The Avengers definitely had the better character moments/interactions and action set-pieces by a landslide but X2 is the more well-rounded film overall.

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I view it this way, The Avengers definitely had the better character moments/interactions and action set-pieces by a landslide but X2 is the more well-rounded film overall.
I'm not sure what you mean by "well-rounded". X2 was a good film, although a bit overrated by most, and I thought so at the time when people were already marking it the best in the genre, when I didn't feel it was as good as the first Spider-man.

To me you had gross mishandling of the characters in that film. Other than Striker and Logan everyone is fumbling around in that movie. Heck they didn't even do Xavier justice in that movie, after the first movie where he spends the critical moments in a coma, in this one he spends 2/3 of it in a hallucination trying to kill off the mutants. It was enjoyable at the time, when I look back at it all I see are flaws.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "well-rounded". X2 was a good film, although a bit overrated by most, and I thought so at the time when people were already marking it the best in the genre, when I didn't feel it was as good as the first Spider-man.

To me you had gross mishandling of the characters in that film. Other than Striker and Logan everyone is fumbling around in that movie. Heck they didn't even do Xavier justice in that movie, after the first movie where he spends the critical moments in a coma, in this one he spends 2/3 of it in a hallucination trying to kill off the mutants. It was enjoyable at the time, when I look back at it all I see are flaws.
Eh, The Avengers has it's big flaws as well. There were some things that X2 did way better than The Avengers. For example, Coulson's death had no impact on me (and I still question as to why the heroes would rally behind his death), yet Grey's death had the opposite effect on me. Jean's death was truly crushing to the team and audience.

X2 has it's flaws too (no doubt), especially when arriving to the characters and how they were handled, but I found the story and climax to be more engaging than The Avengers.

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Eh, The Avengers has it's big flaws as well. There were some things that X2 did way better than The Avengers. For example, Coulson's death had no impact on me (and I still question as to why the heroes would rally behind his death), yet Grey's death had the opposite effect on me. Jean's death was truly crushing to the team and audience.

X2 has it's flaws too (no doubt), especially when arriving to the characters and how they were handled, but I found the story and climax to be more engaging than The Avengers.
Every movie has flaws, they're made buy humans.

What I was getting at is that Avengers I feel is the better ensemble film. Although it's all subjective.

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What I was getting at is that Avengers I feel is the better ensemble film. Although it's all subjective.
That I agree with.

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1. Peter Jackson
2. Peter Jackson
3. Peter Jackson

Bird and Cuaron are both great choices as well. Would Jackson be too close to a LOTR ensemble type film? I don't know, it seems safe yet f-ing perfect to me.

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Eh, The Avengers has it's big flaws as well. There were some things that X2 did way better than The Avengers. For example, Coulson's death had no impact on me (and I still question as to why the heroes would rally behind his death), yet Grey's death had the opposite effect on me. Jean's death was truly crushing to the team and audience.

X2 has it's flaws too (no doubt), especially when arriving to the characters and how they were handled, but I found the story and climax to be more engaging than The Avengers.
Weird... for me it's the other way round. I've cried at Coulson's death every time, but Jean's death in X2 has never made me shed a tear. And I cry at most things.

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Because he was someone they knew personally who died.

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