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Old 06-18-2012, 12:34 AM   #101
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It's funny because this score is the first one that made me dislike Horner when I studied his discography. It's just that I don't like his style and I think that Zimmer has come up with better, let alone remotely close, to this.

I know you're probably going to think of me as ignorant, if not outright call me that, but just my opinion.

So far, what he's doing for Spidey far surpasses ST:TWOK, imo.
Like or dislike is subjective. When I say that Zimmer has never come up with anything like this, it's that Horner's score tells a story. That's why I linked the clip. Everyone thinks Wrath of Khan is one of the best if not the best Trek films, and if you watch the movie without the score the footage is pretty lifeless.

Keep in mind this movie was released after Empire Strikes Back where people were used to seeing ships zooming around and the Millenium Falcon swooshing through and Asteroid field. Here you have two large ships moving very slowly, very much like a battle with old sea ships, and the excitement comes from the score.

You can dislike the score, but to discount what it is, and what it meant for this movie is ignorance.

I don't want to trash Zimmer, because I like his music. But other than Pirates, most of his themes are forgettable.

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Old 06-18-2012, 02:46 AM   #102
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I think Zimmer's Batman theme far surpasses Elfman's. Yeah I said it. This soundtrack sounds awesome, Hornet brought his A game

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Old 06-18-2012, 03:27 AM   #103
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:29 AM   #104
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I think Zimmer's Batman theme far surpasses Elfman's. Yeah I said it.
I love both Elfman's and Zimmer's Batman scores but let's face it, there is no real Zimmer Batman theme aside from that two-note idea and the only other piece associated with Batman which appears in TDK is a direct nod to Elfman's theme anyway.

Elfman's Batman theme has stood the test of time and will remain as iconic as Williams' Superman theme. They have a worldwide familiarity that Zimmer's Batman music will never have, and that's not a bias talking, that's just stating the obvious.

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Like or dislike is subjective. When I say that Zimmer has never come up with anything like this, it's that Horner's score tells a story.
What's funny is that I love Zimmer's Batfilms' scores because they narrate the entire duology (and soon, I assume, trilogy) on their own.

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That's why I linked the clip. Everyone thinks Wrath of Khan is one of the best if not the best Trek films, and if you watch the movie without the score the footage is pretty lifeless.
I'd argue... no, actually I won't. Most pieces of footage are lifeless if you take away their music.

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You can dislike the score, but to discount what it is, and what it meant for this movie is ignorance.
In that case I don't disagree. It may have worked for the context of WoK, but I just don't like it.

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Old 06-18-2012, 03:46 AM   #106
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I love both Elfman's and Zimmer's Batman scores but let's face it, there is no real Zimmer Batman theme aside from that two-note idea and the only other piece associated with Batman which appears in TDK is a direct nod to Elfman's theme anyway.

Elfman's Batman theme has stood the test of time and will remain as iconic as Williams' Superman theme. They have a worldwide familiarity that Zimmer's Batman music will never have, and that's not a bias talking, that's just stating the obvious.
As much as I dislike Elfman's contributions to movies, I can't disagree with this.

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Old 06-18-2012, 03:48 AM   #107
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Thanks NL197 for the gift.

I love the soundtrack. Horner's outdone himself. Most of the times the soundtrack is a good indicator of the movie's quality (except for Highlander: The Sourse. God, that soundtrack was misleading) and on that front I'm a very happy camper.

Still think the basketball music and the main theme are complete trash, though. If a theme sounds so bad to me that makes me miss Elfman's mediocre Spidey theme, it's not a good sign.

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Old 06-18-2012, 03:59 AM   #108
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rooftop kiss is such a beautiful song.
I agree! Best one IMO! Actually, one of the best movie score tracks I've ever heard!

EDIT: Ben's Death is up there as well!

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Old 06-18-2012, 04:25 AM   #109
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I'm listening to the score now and I'm warming up to it. I think they've definitely achieved what they set out to do in terms of this quote: "I wanted to to create a score that felt massive and huge but also intimate and small."

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Old 06-18-2012, 06:13 AM   #110
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I'm listening to the score now and I'm warming up to it. I think they've definitely achieved what they set out to do in terms of this quote: "I wanted to to create a score that felt massive and huge but also intimate and small."
Agreed; there's just something more heroic in the music's nature while having that sense of intimacy that you were talking about. If the film itself ends up being as great as the score itself, then we're in stored for a big treat.

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Old 06-18-2012, 06:42 AM   #111
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Saving New York is damn heroic!

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Saving New York is damn heroic!
yes, im liking the score more and more!

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Old 06-18-2012, 06:49 AM   #113
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The Bridge starts out great. And I think my favorite track may be Ben's Death.

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God damn, Saving New York is a masterpiece.

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Old 06-18-2012, 08:22 AM   #115
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I think Zimmer's Batman theme far surpasses Elfman's. Yeah I said it. This soundtrack sounds awesome, Hornet brought his A game
Woah. Big thing to say lol

Though I think Elfmans Spidey theme / score is 'meh', his Bat them / score is up there with supermans theme (a close second at least).

The TASM sounds really good. Not on the Supes/Bats scale, but REALLY good IMO. But yeah, he brought his A-game to this .

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My favorite track for sure, I LOVE the cue that starts at 1:20, so good.
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I love this track to, Lizard's theme is ferocious at 0:31-0:51 and again at 1:04-1:11. 2:22-2:25 reminds me of Doc Ock's them in SM2, but with less horns blaring.

I'd have to say my favorite is The Ganali Device. Really gets good through 1:15-1:54

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Old 06-18-2012, 10:44 AM   #117
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Woah. Big thing to say lol

Though I think Elfmans Spidey theme / score is 'meh', his Bat them / score is up there with supermans theme (a close second at least).

The TASM sounds really good. Not on the Supes/Bats scale, but REALLY good IMO. But yeah, he brought his A-game to this .
Yes considering they used the music for the Animated Series as well. The music really tells who Batman is. Zimmer's score could probably fit into a dozen movies. Like I say other than the score to Pirates, his music is very generic. He's a minimalist composer, and he's not even a good one at that. If you want to listen to a brilliant minimalist composer go check out Philip Glass.

I don't want to sound like I'm trashing Zimmer, he's done some great stuff, but usually his stuff is in bits and pieces and it's very simplistic. I did like the last 5 minutes of Inception, that was very powerful, but it was pretty simple chord progression repeated multiple times building on itself. The rest of the Inception score is pretty forgettable, and that's my biggest problem with Zimmer, other than pirates (the main theme) no one remembers his music. Horner's scores are pretty much memorable in all his films.

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The Inception score is forgettable? I hiiiiiiighly disagree.
The film beats audiences over the head with it because it's just so loud in the sound mix. That's what bothered me about it.

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Yes considering they used the music for the Animated Series as well. The music really tells who Batman is. Zimmer's score could probably fit into a dozen movies. Like I say other than the score to Pirates, his music is very generic. He's a minimalist composer, and he's not even a good one at that. If you want to listen to a brilliant minimalist composer go check out Philip Glass.

I don't want to sound like I'm trashing Zimmer, he's done some great stuff, but usually his stuff is in bits and pieces and it's very simplistic. I did like the last 5 minutes of Inception, that was very powerful, but it was pretty simple chord progression repeated multiple times building on itself. The rest of the Inception score is pretty forgettable, and that's my biggest problem with Zimmer, other than pirates (the main theme) no one remembers his music. Horner's scores are pretty much memorable in all his films.
I do love Zimmers Batman score. I really do. But Elfmans is just very much Batman IMO.

But Zimmer on his day can be spot on. His pirates theme is for me one of the best in film. And his Batman is pretty damn good IMO.

Horner can be great to. His ST2 score I do regard as the best overall in Trek by a mile.

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Someone on another forum posted the chronological listing of the soundtrack.

01 Main Title / Young Peter (4:54)
05 The Briefcase (3:14)
07 Secrets (2:30)
06 The Spider Room / Rumble In The Subway (3:20)
04 Hunting For Information (2:07)
08 The Equation (4:22)
03 Playing Basketball (1:22)
09 The Ganali Device (2:28)
10 Ben's Death (5:41)
02 Becoming Spider-man (4:16)
11 Metamorphosis (3:04)
12 Rooftop Kiss (2:34)
13 The Bridge (5:15)
14 Peter's Suspicions (3:01)
15 Making a Silk Trap (2:52)
16 Lizard At School! (2:57)
17 Saving New York (7:52)
18 Oscorp Tower (3:22)
19 "I Can't See You Anymore" (6:50)
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Yeah, we already knew that, but thanks anyways.

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The Inception score is forgettable? I hiiiiiiighly disagree.
Aside from the chord progression at the end, I couldn't tell you what the music sounds like. Most of his music sounds very similar, more than just style.

The Pirates score is the one that's truely unique and by far is his best score.

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I should also mention, I really enjoy his Sherlock Holmes music, so to date his best works IMO were the Pirates movies and Sherlock Holmes.

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The Spider Room is fourth? Should happen very early in the movie, hopefully. That would be great.

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I should also mention, I really enjoy his Sherlock Holmes music, so to date his best works IMO were the Pirates movies and Sherlock Holmes.
THIS. Discombulate is incredible, probably one of the coolest and weirdest tracks i've heard.

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