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Old 06-26-2012, 05:01 AM   #276
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I am only familiar with Zimmer's Batman scores, but going on that sort of stuff I would not have picked him for Superman.

See, Superman needs a rousing fanfare/iconic theme tune. In the Nolan Bat films there is no such thing, the scores are basically just background music and Bat's does not have a theme. What there is of one just uses the same chord progressions as the Elfman Batman theme which we all know is awesome.

Obviously the Elfman Bat theme would not have fit the tone of the Nolan films, but when you heard the nods towards it in TDK it did leave me wanting a new Bat theme and the film felt somewhat lacking because of not having one.

If Zimmer is just gonna make another CD of background music for MOS, forget it, it will be wack. The only way to do this is to either a) re-record Williams Superman March and build a new soundtrack around it or b) compose a completely new Superman theme that is as memorable, bombastic and catchy as the March. And lets face it, if he goes for plan b he's up against it LOL.

Screw the 'Donner-verse', the March IS Superman's music.
Anything else will just come off as second best and then in the next Superman film series they'll bring back the Williams theme and everyone will say thank you. As an earlier poster mentioned- you don't mess with Bond, and you don't mess with Superman.


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Old 06-26-2012, 05:14 AM   #277
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Well, if you only know Zimmer through Nolan's Batman-movies then you dont really have any basis on not wanting him for MOS. You obviously dont know Zimmer then as he's a very diverse composer. You should probably check out all his other older stuff.

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Old 06-26-2012, 05:19 AM   #278
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just like you say elfman theme would feel out of place in nolan's bat films due to burton's more whimsical and fantasy tone

same can be said for williams theme that fit the more colorful,happy,and campy tone his films had that theme worked there

not saying man of steel will be super dark and gritty but it obviously will be more modern,realistic,and dramatic

so i think it needs a new theme to fit this new universe

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Old 06-26-2012, 05:26 AM   #279
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Of course it does. William's Superman March is too 70s, pomp and circumstance and campy for 2012. Really, where are people's ears and situational awareness?

I'm not saying the music should be all dark and contemporary, but a modern approach to it is needed. Come on now...

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Old 06-26-2012, 05:29 AM   #280
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exactly when i hear the theme i just picture a very cheesy put your hands on your hips visual

too on the nose for me

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Yeah well... It's still the greatest superhero theme to this day. I'm in love with it for what it is, or was. But hearing it in a modern day CBM would feel malplaced and slightly silly I imagine.

But then again, I dont know what to go for with the neo-medieval fantasy style MOS' mythology is displaying. I guess it does lend itself somewhat to something more traditional? Gladiator meets Batman? I dunno.

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the only music should be gregorian chant

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Of course it does. William's Superman March is too 70s, pomp and circumstance and campy for 2012.
Man, I hope we return to the 70s then. I'd take Williams pomp and camp anyday over modern soundtrack crap.

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If a theme composed in 1962 can be updated and modernized for a movie released in the 2000s then so can one from 1978. Not saying that I necessarily expect the Williams theme to be used in MoS, but it's more versatile and timeless than most of you are giving it credit for.

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you dont watch many films if you think the current soundtrack are all crap

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If a theme composed in 1962 can be updated and modernized for a movie released in the 2000s then so can one from 1978. Not saying that I necessarily expect the Williams theme to be used in MoS, but it's more versatile and timeless than most of you are giving it credit for.
Probably. Williams is a timeless composer. Which 1962-theme are you refering to?

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If a theme composed in 1962 can be updated and modernized for a movie released in the 2000s then so can one from 1978. Not saying that I necessarily expect the Williams theme to be used in MoS, but it's more versatile and timeless than most of you are giving it credit for.
i am sorry no disrespect but i never agree with superman theme being timeless

it would'nt be called dated and campy if it was so timeless

star wars theme is what i call timeless

williams superman theme fits a certain era and works in that era it would feel out of place in a modern take on supes thats not what i call timeless

and returns already did what you are asking

but this is just my opinion

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But why are we even discussing a rewrite/update of Williams' theme? This is Hans Zimmer we're talking about and I'm pretty sure someone like him doesnt do rewrites of others work.

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wishful thinking of people who cant let go me thinks lol

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Screw the 'Donner-verse', the March IS Superman's music.
Anything else will just come off as second best and then in the next Superman film series they'll bring back the Williams theme and everyone will say thank you. As an earlier poster mentioned- you don't mess with Bond, and you don't mess with Superman.
Again, feeling that a Superman movie is 'lacking' without the Williams theme is your cross to bear, not the movie's or Zimmer's. Because if he writes something good and people like the movie, it won't matter that the Williams' music isn't there except to someone like you who will want it anyway. And you've already bought a ticket, and you'd be seeing it anyway if yo already knew there wouldn't be any Williams music.

You'll always be able to hear that music in other Supes movies and even on its own, let this one be its own cinematic identity from top to bottom. That's not 'messing' with Superman...who's already has a new brief-less suit, by the way, a change in something that truly IS iconic in all versions of him.

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I am only familiar with Zimmer's Batman scores, but going on that sort of stuff I would not have picked him for Superman.
Me neither. In fact he doesn't think he can do it, go figure.

But he can certainly do what they want: to distance this new franchgise from the previous one.

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See, Superman needs a rousing fanfare/iconic theme tune. In the Nolan Bat films there is no such thing, the scores are basically just background music and Bat's does not have a theme. What there is of one just uses the same chord progressions as the Elfman Batman theme which we all know is awesome.

Obviously the Elfman Bat theme would not have fit the tone of the Nolan films, but when you heard the nods towards it in TDK it did leave me wanting a new Bat theme and the film felt somewhat lacking because of not having one.
Were there nods to Elfman in TDK??? Where was that?

Now, if you have seen some TDK fan-made trailers on youtube you can check Elfman's music does fit Nolan's shots. But Zimmer's music fits even better. Ironically, Zimmer had a bat-theme for Batman Begins, but god knows why he decided to drop it off in TDK.

And since we don't know how MoS will be, we cannot tell if Williams's theme fits or not.

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If Zimmer is just gonna make another CD of background music for MOS, forget it, it will be wack. The only way to do this is to either a) re-record Williams Superman March and build a new soundtrack around it or b) compose a completely new Superman theme that is as memorable, bombastic and catchy as the March. And lets face it, if he goes for plan b he's up against it LOL.
Ah yes. He doesn't think anyone can do it, which logically includes him.

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Screw the 'Donner-verse', the March IS Superman's music.
Exactly, screw the Donner-verse. But Williams's theme is part of the Donner-verse.

The Williams March is as iconic as Christopher Reeve and they won't get him back for the movie.

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Anything else will just come off as second best and then in the next Superman film series they'll bring back the Williams theme and everyone will say thank you. As an earlier poster mentioned- you don't mess with Bond, and you don't mess with Superman.
You don't mess with Bond? They have messed with him so many times!

Whereas Bonds movies have never cared about distancing from themselves or to keep any kind of continuity, this new franchise IS and wants to be a different thing.

Williams theme is for one incarnation of Superman and this is not it.

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That old argument? Really? When has Bond ever been rebooted? All this franchise is doing is bringing in new actors to play in sequels while updating the style. That's not rebooting. They've been doing that since the 70s.
They call it reboot anyway. I call it reboot, and some others do it too, certainly. It is just a different kind of "reboot". "Old" argument does not mean bad argument. I think what they do with James bond is precisely a reboot. they keep the identity of the character while changing a lot around him. Sometimes too much, would I say, but this is personnal. In the end, a "reboot" is just a name marketed to interest people who always needs new flavours, and so the word or the definition of it depends of the guys making the film. In this case, Superman has nothing to do with Donner's, so I highly doubt Zimmer's music comes close to the Superman Marche.
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The only instances where William's music is used is the Reeve-movies (and that Donner-tribute SR). William's music is NOT cannon.
And that's too bad, IMO.
Oh, and you forgot that Superboy serie was inspired of it, oh, and Smallville too, very close, they even used some "Krypton music" parts, and The S:TAS was similar too, maybe they notice how canon the what-you-define-as "William's music" was.
I think, what happens here is what we got with Batman begins. There is NO batman theme anymore, just different ones. Most people will deal with it.
In the end there is no debate at all : Zimmer could not care less for Superman but will score anyway, he stated a long time ago that his goals was NOT to do what people want or expect but surprise them with something different. So here is the situation. New score, no rewriting, new Superman identity, new concept. Who cares about what is lost behind?

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As far as Casino Royale as an example, how about MOS does it like that if it's going to use the Willam's theme...where it only really comes in on the very last shot of the movie before cutting to end credits.

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William's music is NOT cannon.
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I love Zimmer. When he's on he's on. (The batman stuff I find has no melody though).

I find it funny how he can say one thing and then do the complete opposite. When someone the likes of bay or his ilk does similar(not the same mind you) it's considered "for the money."

I can't wait to see what this team puts together. Snyder/Zimmer/Superman will be the best superhero matching thus far and a lot better than anything marvel has done as of late I'm sure.

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After 2 decades of the superman music, im ready to move on. This further confirms my thoughts that nolans is more involved in this project and has much more say than snyder

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I love Zimmer. When he's on he's on. (The batman stuff I find has no melody though).

I find it funny how he can say one thing and then do the complete opposite. When someone the likes of bay or his ilk does similar(not the same mind you) it's considered "for the money."
Zimmer was pretty unequivocal - saying that he hadn’t even met Snyder, that following Williams would be a thankless task, etc. But the interview in question occurred back in 2010 when MOS was scheduled for a Dec. ’12 release and Zimmer knew he’d have his hands full with TDKR. So it was easy enough, perhaps, to deny something that wasn’t even feasible - timetable wise.

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