The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion - Part 20

[The Infernal]

Originally Posted by TheWallCrawler

Yeah, right. The Oscorp tower was almost in The Avengers and it's totally impossible that that is just a cover up story

I take it back. Andrew Garfield will absolutely being Avengers 2 as Spider-man.

I'm just saying that is what has been said and until anyone can prove otherwise it's the most likely explanation.

Originally Posted by TheWallCrawler

good point but at the end of the day, if Spider-Man will join The Avengers or just do a cameo, nobody could care less if the Stark Tower was seen in TASM or not

Now saying they will, just saying that the lack of trying to put Stark Tower into TASM like they apparently tried with Oscorp in Avengers could be taken as a sign.

[TheWallCrawler]

Originally Posted by Web face

What if they end up making Spider-man look like a douche for not showing up the first time lol. The Avengers would definitely have to take place before Peter became Spider-man if he makes it in the next one.
Now that I think about it, doesnt TASM take place in the year 2014?

Maybe it will be revealed that Spider-Man did fight against chitauri there, he just worked alone then? The Amazing Spider-Man HAS to take place before The Avengers because New York and Peter clearly aren't aware of what happened in The Avengers

That would also kinda make sense because the Stark tower would't be ready yet! btw, where does it say that TASM takes place the year 2014?

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by chaseter

What's your guess on the domestic take?

That gif was more directed at the "It will happen" part, but I do think TASM will do fine in terms of box office. Hmmm, based on the opening week estimate of 125-150 million that I've seen I'd say 250+ for domestic.

[VenomSpawn]

Originally Posted by Web face

Now that I think about it, doesnt TASM take place in the year 2014?

I don't think so. The Midtown Science Highschool website from the viral has newspaper articles related to the movie from 2012 and has Peter Parker listed as a senior in the year 2012.

[TheWallCrawler]

Originally Posted by The Infernal

Not saying they will, just saying that the lack of trying to put Stark Tower into TASM like they apparently tried with Oscorp in Avengers could be taken as a sign.

Maybe it's a continuity thing? Peter and the rest of New York clearly aren't aware of what happened in The Avengers, so maybe The Avengers takes place after TASM? That would make sense because in TA Tony was just finishing up with the Stark Tower, so then it wouldn't be finished yet in TASM

[VenomSpawn]

I think if The Avengers happened after TASM, Spidey would have jumped in and helped them, or they would have at least been aware of his existence.

Either way you place them in the timeline something will be wrong.

[TheWallCrawler]

Originally Posted by VenomSpawn

I think if The Avengers happened after TASM, Spidey would have jumped in and helped them, or they would have at least been aware of his existence.

Either way you place them in the timeline something will be wrong.

He had to help people somewhere else?

And clearly The Avengers 2 is gonna have a couple heroes more like Ant-man and Black Panther. Well, at least Ant-Man. Point is, they would be aware of them too.

also, if Peter is under aged during the Avengers, Nick Fury wouldn't yet bother bringing him in to the same group

[PSYLENTGuardian]

I feel like the only way ASM could unite with the MCU is if the events in The Avengers took place before Oscorp Industries was even created. Something that obviously can't happen due to how modern both movies are.

Or, y'know, they could turn ASM2 into a Shattered Dimensions movie.

[Bruce_Begins]

I just want to see a sequel to this, don't care if Spidey appears in Avengers 2 or not.

[Alvin Draper]

Originally Posted by TheWallCrawler

Maybe it will be revealed that Spider-Man did fight against chitauri there, he just worked alone then? The Amazing Spider-Man HAS to take place before The Avengers because New York and Peter clearly aren't aware of what happened in The Avengers

That would also kinda make sense because the Stark tower would't be ready yet! btw, where does it say that TASM takes place the year 2014?

The 'rigor' page on the Oscorp site is dated May 29 1999 and Dr. Ratha says '...about 15 years late...' in THIS clip @0:33

As someone else mentioned, the MSHS newsletter is dated April 25 2012 and there's also a 2012 photograph of the basketball team in Trailer 2. Though that photograph could be two years old... *shrugs*

[TheWallCrawler]

Originally Posted by Alvin Draper

The 'rigor' page on the Oscorp site is dated May 29 1999 and Dr. Ratha says '...about 15 years late...' in THIS clip @0:33

As someone else mentioned, the MSHS newsletter is dated April 25 2012 and there's also a 2012 photograph of the basketball team in Trailer 2. Though that photograph could be two years old... *shrugs*

or maybe Ratha is ****** at math

[thalidomide]

I can't wait to see this tomorrow.

[Troy_Parker]

Originally Posted by TheWallCrawler

Maybe it's a continuity thing? Peter and the rest of New York clearly aren't aware of what happened in The Avengers, so maybe The Avengers takes place after TASM? That would make sense because in TA Tony was just finishing up with the Stark Tower, so then it wouldn't be finished yet in TASM

Eh, I think if TASM is unofficially set in the MCU, it'll be set after The Avengers. If the events in The Avengers happened in 2012 and TASM is set in 2014, I don't see why they would feel the need to bring up the events of something that happened 2 or so years ago.

[Spiderdevil]

80% RT fukyea

[Picard Sisko]

Originally Posted by Bruce_Begins

I just want to see a sequel to this, don't care if Spidey appears in Avengers 2 or not.

If Spider-Man appears in the Avengers, it would be like a bonus. It would be cool to know that these Spider-Man movies connect to something much bigger. However, if the movies aren't very good, it doesn't really mean much.

[Léo Ho Tep]

Peter didn't help the Avengers because he was cleaning his costume.

[chaseter]

Originally Posted by The Infernal

But it didn't and the lack of a Stark Tower in TASM should probably tell you something as well.

It doesn't change the fact that Disney and Sony came to an agreement about it....even though time constraints didn't let it happen.

[Troy_Parker]

Originally Posted by chaseter

It doesn't change the fact that Disney and Sony came to an agreement about it....even though time constraints didn't let it happen.

This. I don't care if Oscorp tower didn't make it into The Avengers, the fact that it WAS going to be in there (and the reason for it's absence being time constraints as opposed to one party changing their mind) says something.

[PSYLENTGuardian]

Yeah, it says they wanted to do it, but they didn't, and they won't now that it didn't happen.

[BobbyCorwin88]

I don't believe in wasting a bunch of un-needed energy on trying to pinpoint a timeline for Spidey to be able to accurately fit in with the Avengers when we have no evidence to suggest that he'll ever go over to the MCU in the first place. Why can't we just be happy with direction he's taking now? It looks like a pretty cool direction to me, and one that doesn't need help from a separate franchise to make it any more enjoyable. Spider-Man can take care of his own franchise on his own, I wish people would understand that more.

I want this movie to do well for so many reasons, one big one being to put a lot of detractors in their place. I just read an article earlier on kotaku that was doing nothing but introducing the new Hot Toys line for TASM, and the way he prefaced it was completely unnecessary, saying :

Hot Toys' upcoming Amazing Spider-Man piece, based on the utterly needless reboot of a franchise whose last film was only released five years ago, looks great, covering the bones of a 12" action figure in spandex/.....

See how utterly pointless that is? It's almost childish. This guy hates the idea of this movie so much, that he can't even keep his opinion to himself when doing nothing but talking about a toy! I really, really want this guy and many others like him to be proven wrong, and I still have a lot of hope to think that they will be. I think that throwing Spidey to a different franchise altogether is pretty much admitting defeat and admitting that Spidey can't hold his own in this new universe, when he can.

As much as I like Spidey as an Avenger in the comics, he still isn't the best fit for their world. He's much better when he teams up with the likes of Daredevil or the Fantastic 4. If there was ever to be a crossover with Spidey in the movies, I would hope it could be with Daredevil. Something involving them taking on organized crime headed by Kingpin. Again, that's what I love about Spidey. All these Avengers and "big names" are out fighting galactic threats and he's on the street level doing the dirty work and living a more normal life. Spidey owns the Avengers.

On a side note, I've got my midnight, normal 2D ticket for this coming Monday. Couldn't be happier!

[Raiden]

I don't think Spider-Man would ever appear in the MCU because I just don't see Sony giving Marvel the permission to use "their" character, even though they just license the character from Marvel. However, I think if it can be done, it will benefit both Spider-Man and Avengers franchises, as we'll have a true crossover between two movie studios. I'd also love to see Marvel's most popular superhero actually appear in a movie made by its parent company, but for now it's just a pipe's dream.

[chaseter]

Originally Posted by BobbyCorwin88

I want this movie to do well for so many reasons, one big one being to put a lot of detractors in their place.

That's a pretty sad and childish reason as well.

Also...that Hot Toys movie accurate 12" figure is ugly...shows how ugly the suit is.

[BobbyCorwin88]

Originally Posted by chaseter

That's a pretty sad and childish reason.

Not when they're the one's handing out all the childish insults and detracting statements every 5 seconds. I try and be nothing but civil when talking about this stuff, but some people just can't let some things die. In this case I would think that yes, this guy should be put in his place.

This is the exact same atmosphere that X-Men: FC was released in and look how well that film turned out. Why do you think that is? This idea of rebooting or re-imagining a franchise as being a carnal sin, really doesn't make sense, especially when First Class did it so well. And I'd hardly call this reboot "unnecessary" after the worst received film from a trilogy that ended 5 years ago. I remember very vividly all the fans wanting Sony to ditch the creative team altogether after SM3 and never look back. And now when they do just that we're supposed to be upset with them? As far as I'm concerned, they're giving fans exactly what they asked for!

[chaseter]

Put in his place...based on opinions?

First Class didn't rehash most of X1...which would make your comparison apt. If it did, then you would here the same critiques. Fact of the matter is a lot of people didn't want to see a reboot of a 10 year old wildly popular franchise. So, those complaints are to be expected. If the movie is good then it's good, if it's bad then it's bad.

[PSYLENTGuardian]

When people are comparing ASM and XMFC, they're not comparing what their stories are. They're comparing the fact that both had divided crowds before release. Nothing more complicated than that, really.