The After Credits Scene and other nitpicks

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by roach

isn't that what the Ultimate universe is????

Originally... But now it has its own wacky continuity where almost nothing happened the same... Do we really want Gwen dying from an energy sucking carnage who becomes a clone of peter Parker, venom was developed by Peters father while working with Eddie Brock sr as his best friend (Connors was an original idea for this film) do we really want peter stuck in high school for the entire series, have black cat be an poker woman, aunt Mays house become a foster home for superheroes, a hulk goblin, liquid metal tentacled ock, and peter dating kitty pryde?

Ultimate is not a blue print. They're just borrowing some ideas from it because it makes sense in the modern world. They're also borrowing some things from sensational Spider-Man that made more sense, and still using quite alot from the 616 universe

[roach]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

Originally... But now it has its own wacky continuity where almost nothing happened the same... Do we really want Gwen dying from an energy sucking carnage who becomes a clone of peter Parker, venom was developed by Peters father while working with Eddie Brock sr as his best friend (Connors was an original idea for this film) do we really want peter stuck in high school for the entire series, have black cat be an poker woman, aunt Mays house become a foster home for superheroes, a hulk goblin, liquid metal tentacled ock, and peter dating kitty pryde?

Ultimate is not a blue print. They're just borrowing some ideas from it because it makes sense in the modern world. They're also borrowing some things from sensational Spider-Man that made more sense, and still using quite alot from the 616 universe

I didn't last with Ultimate Spider-man that long...

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by Eddie Brock

Off the top of my head:

1. Spider developed by OsCorp
2. Younger Aunt May (not so much Uncle Ben, though)
3. Younger George Stacy
4. Richard Parker as a scientist
5. Curt Connors sans family
6. Curt Connors and Richard Parker as old colleagues
7. Peter (in street clothes) allowing a common robber to escape on the street despite the pleas of the overweight store owner
8. Peter telling his identity to his love interest (swap Gwen for MJ)

USM absolutely is an influence on the film. It's not the only influence, but its touches are seen and felt everywhere.

You're grasping at some.... 5 and 8 especially...

What's used from 616

1) his parents in trouble leaving peter with his aunt and uncle

2)nod to wrestling history in the Luchadore ring

3)gwen being his intelligent equal

4)dating Gwen before MJ

5)midtown high school

6) death of capt Stacey at the hands of a villain

7) other than age, capt Stacey was completely modeled off of the original books, and giving peter a message about taking care of Gwen while dying

8) Connors having a wedding ban on indicated Martha at least exists

9) everything about the lizard was 616 aside from Connors place if work

10) flash Thompson being a billy turned friend turned spidey fan

11) many of gems outfits were inspired by the 616 Gwen especially the one where we first see her

12) Web shooters

13) the quips

14) Peters intelligence (thus may be universal but it did originate in 616 first

[Eddie Brock]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

You're grasping at some.... 5 and 8 especially...

What's used from 616

1) his parents in trouble leaving peter with his aunt and uncle

2)nod to wrestling history in the Luchadore ring

3)gwen being his intelligent equal

4)dating Gwen before MJ

5)midtown high school

6) death of capt Stacey at the hands of a villain

7) other than age, capt Stacey was completely modeled off of the original books, and giving peter a message about taking care of Gwen while dying

8) Connors having a wedding ban on indicated Martha at least exists

9) everything about the lizard was 616 aside from Connors place if work

10) flash Thompson being a billy turned friend turned spidey fan

11) many of gems outfits were inspired by the 616 Gwen especially the one where we first see her

12) Web shooters

13) the quips

14) Peters intelligence (thus may be universal but it did originate in 616 first

Again, I'm not saying USM is the only source of inspiration. Obviously, they took from all over. But when you say that they didn't borrow from USM at all, it's just incorrect.

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by roach

I didn't last with Ultimate Spider-man that long...

Neither did most people, and why it shouldn't be a blue print for people saying "well in ultimate they Did this so I think we can expect that's how the villain will be...."

Everything about Connors aside from working at oscorp and having a connection to Richard Parker was all 616... So there's really no reason why his other villains won't be either

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by Eddie Brock

Again, I'm not saying USM is the only source of inspiration. Obviously, they took from all over. But when you say that they didn't borrow from USM at all, it's just incorrect.

Except if you actually read my post I never said that. I specifically said the ultimately not the blue print. Meaning this film series is not "ultimate Spider-Man the movie" I even said they borrowed from everywhere. But what happens in ultimate is no evidence at all that it will happen in these films. I think the basic needed updated will that make sense... Like peter will probably still be a bugle photographer but he will probably also be in charge of putting them up online. The bugle update makes sense but his job will essentially be the same (news channels, sites, and papers still need pictures)

[SpideyScott]

Its really hard to adapt a comic book to a movie, and if your spidey and have so many different versions, people are obviously going to take the best from all the different stories,etc.

[Eddie Brock]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

Except if you actually read my post I never said that. I specifically said the ultimately not the blue print. Meaning this film series is not "ultimate Spider-Man the movie" I even said they borrowed from everywhere. But what happens in ultimate is no evidence at all that it will happen in these films. I think the basic needed updated will that make sense... Like peter will probably still be a bugle photographer but he will probably also be in charge of putting them up online. The bugle update makes sense but his job will essentially be the same (news channels, sites, and papers still need pictures)

To be fair, you can't really predict what will happen based on any continuity. Some things are unchangeable, but none of the villains so far have been literal translations of any version.

[Joe]

We need a badass school fight. The one in TASM was okay, but it was short. In TSSM, the episode with Venom and Spider-Man fighting in the school... That was a fight. It went from the gym, to outside, to the locker room. (not exact order) It was savage. The Lizard fight consisted of a hallway or two along with the library. Not much depth to it, literally.

I'd like to see Peter have to leave class in order to stop a villain, I felt that could have been a strong seen to incorporate. How he puts his academics aside to be a hero. It'd be cool to have him constantly be making up excuses to his professor in order to get out of class.

[Eddie Brock]

Originally Posted by Joe

We need a badass school fight. The one in TASM was okay, but it was short. In TSSM, the episode with Venom and Spider-Man fighting in the school... That was a fight. It went from the gym, to outside, to the locker room. (not exact order) It was savage. The Lizard fight consisted of a hallway or two along with the library. Not much depth to it, literally.

I'd like to see Peter have to leave class in order to stop a villain, I felt that could have been a strong seen to incorporate. How he puts his academics aside to be a hero. It'd be cool to have him constantly be making up excuses to his professor in order to get out of class.

Disagree. Don't fight in the school again. It was cool, but now it's done. Move on to more radically different locales. Look at the train fight: it wouldn't be anywhere near as exciting if it weren't for the setting.

[Hugebear]

Cmon people, like we haven’t seen Spider-man punch other villains before (in 4 movies).Trust that Marc Webb and the writers know what they are doing and that it is best for the story they are going to tell. There is more to the Chameleon.

[SpideyScott]

Originally Posted by Hugebear

Cmon people, like we haven’t seen Spider-man punch other villains before (in 4 movies).Trust that Marc Webb and the writers know what they are doing and that it is best for the story they are going to tell. There is more to the Chameleon.

exactly !

[Eddie Brock]

Originally Posted by Hugebear

Cmon people, like we haven’t seen Spider-man punch other villains before (in 4 movies).Trust that Marc Webb and the writers know what they are doing and that it is best for the story they are going to tell. There is more to the Chameleon.

First of all, the Chameleon's not even confirmed. It's no more than a fan rumor. Secondly, fight scenes are integral to the superhero movie genre. Nobody wants to see a movie with a psychological villain who poses no physical threat (see also: Superman Returns).

[SpideyScott]

Originally Posted by Eddie Brock

First of all, the Chameleon's not even confirmed. It's no more than a fan rumor. Secondly, fight scenes are integral to the superhero movie genre. Nobody wants to see a movie with a psychological villain who poses no physical threat (see also: Superman Returns).

I guess it kind of all depends, the Joker for example didn't pose a physical threat to batman but he was a hell of a villian!

[Joe]

Originally Posted by Eddie Brock

Disagree. Don't fight in the school again. It was cool, but now it's done. Move on to more radically different locales. Look at the train fight: it wouldn't be anywhere near as exciting if it weren't for the setting.

That's my nitpick about the school fight. It only went through a hallway and 5 seconds of a library. Wasted potential. There's the gym, the locker room, a classroom (with students, not empty) There's the school grounds, the football field, cafeteria... You fail to realize all the possibilities under the "school fight" category. We don't need a skyscraper finale. Demi Lovato is losing record possibilities, but I don't care.

[Eddie Brock]

Originally Posted by SpideyScott

I guess it kind of all depends, the Joker for example didn't pose a physical threat to batman but he was a hell of a villian!

But that's Batman. He doesn't have superpowers, so he doesn't lend himself to particularly exciting "fight scenes." He gets his excitement from other kinds of action sequences. Spidey's superpowers are wasted if he spends the whole movie running around, chasing explosions. We need to see him come to blows with his villain eventually.

Originally Posted by Joe

That's my nitpick about the school fight. It only went through a hallway and 5 seconds of a library. Wasted potential. There's the gym, the locker room, a classroom (with students, not empty) There's the school grounds, the football field, cafeteria... You fail to realize all the possibilities under the "school fight" category. We don't need a skyscraper finale. Demi Lovato is losing record possibilities, but I don't care.

Wasted potential doesn't mean we need to revisit it. A school fight is a school fight is a school fight.

[roach]

Does Spider-man even have a villain that doesn't pose a physical threat?

[chaseter]

Mysterio really isn't a physical threat imo.

[SpideyScott]

Originally Posted by roach

Does Spider-man even have a villain that doesn't pose a physical threat?

Mysterio doesn't really pose a physical threat, If i recall mysterio isn't a fighter.

[Supa]

Originally Posted by roach

Does Spider-man even have a villain that doesn't pose a physical threat?

Mysterio and Chameleon. Shocker's also treated as a joke

[Eddie Brock]

Mysterio has gadgets, though. And he often summons minions, of a sort, to deal with Spider-Man physically.

[Eddie Brock]

Originally Posted by Supa

Mysterio and Chameleon. Shocker's also treated as a joke

Shocker is not treated as a joke. Ultimate Shocker is, but 616 Shocker can withstand Spidey's punches with his absorbent suit.

[SpideyScott]

Yeah, even in 616, shocker is a good physical threat but Spider-Man treats him as a person as a joke simply because of the things he does.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by Eddie Brock

Wasted potential doesn't mean we need to revisit it. A school fight is a school fight is a school fight.

Just because it was used, briefly, doesn't mean we don't need to revist it. The school fights are a big part of bringing Peter back into high school. One of the best aspects, IMO.

[Supa]

Originally Posted by SpideyScott

Yeah, even in 616, shocker is a good physical threat but Spider-Man treats him as a person as a joke simply because of the things he does.

Well, Spidey treats most his villains like that, I guess I was just more thinking of the ultimate