The SuperHeroHype Forums  

Go Back   The SuperHeroHype Forums > Spider-Man > The Amazing Spider-Man

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-03-2012, 11:11 AM   #26
Drummerdude7
AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
 
Drummerdude7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,047
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Quote:
Originally Posted by humantorch09 View Post
I was going to say that the Lizard reminded me of the Goombas from the Super Mario Bros. movie, and thought maybe I was being too hard on the movie because of how much I loved Spidey 1 & 2, but then I found this link, so I'm definitely not alone.

http://nerdreactor.com/2011/11/30/th...ng-spider-man/
That was back in November, and believe me, that concept art and any promotional art for the Lizard do him 0% justice. You won't be thinking of Goombas when you see him onscreen.

Drummerdude7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 11:17 AM   #27
humantorch09
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

No man, I totally was thinking that the whole movie. I just googled "amazing spider-man lizard goomba" like 5 minutes ago. No joke.

humantorch09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 11:21 AM   #28
humantorch09
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

And for most of the movie I was hoping his silly looking lizard/man face would just turn into this:
http://s.ecrater.com/stores/80676/4c...920_80676n.jpg

humantorch09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 11:27 AM   #29
Drummerdude7
AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
 
Drummerdude7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,047
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Yeah but we knew for a while that wasn't going to happen.

And he would've looked silly talking with a face like that.

Drummerdude7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 11:30 AM   #30
Picard Sisko
Prepare to be Assimilated
 
Picard Sisko's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 17,948
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerseyJoker View Post
Are we ranking in terms of EVERYTHING or just looks.

Cause in terms of looks, i still think they did a pretty great job on Venom. Sure, maybe the story behind him and the character isn't there, but on a purely aesthetic basis, Venom looked great.
I agree! A lot of people complain about his design, but I think that was the least of his problems.

Picard Sisko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 11:31 AM   #31
Drummerdude7
AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
 
Drummerdude7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,047
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

If we're going to talk about comic book accuracy in terms of looks, Sandman and Lizard would be on top, and both Goblins would be at the bottom.

Drummerdude7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 11:45 AM   #32
JerseyJoker
Side-Kick
 
JerseyJoker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Jersey Represent!!
Posts: 1,820
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

One thing about The Lizard and the film as a whole that i loved.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
The Lizard didn't die. He was "cured" and sent to jail. I LOVE THAT. I hate that in superhero films they find the need to kill off the villain. Besides Magneto in the X-Men films and Scarecrow in Batman, rarely do you see a villain survive to the next film.

Im not saying Lizard needs to be the focus of ASM 2, but just to have him alive and possibly around for whatever reason is great.

JerseyJoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 11:46 AM   #33
Anno_Domini
Banned User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 17,997
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Joker lived. But you're probably just referring to villains that can come back in the very next film.

Anno_Domini is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 11:48 AM   #34
Drummerdude7
AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
 
Drummerdude7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,047
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anno_Domini View Post
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Joker lived. But you're probably just referring to villains that can come back in the very next film.
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Anno has a point. But i HOPE that Rhys makes a small return in the next film. Having Connors around to help Peter would be a great addition.

Drummerdude7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 11:50 AM   #35
humantorch09
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drummerdude7 View Post
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Having Connors around to help Peter would be a great addition.
I like that idea, hopefully they will introduce his family as well.

humantorch09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 12:52 PM   #36
JerseyJoker
Side-Kick
 
JerseyJoker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Jersey Represent!!
Posts: 1,820
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

They have made it concrete that Connors and the Parkers are pretty much interlocked in ... whatever happened when Peter was little.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Plus the ending gives off the idea that while he is "cured", he still has the inner demon of the Lizard in his head. So you have the duel identity of Connors the good guy and Connors acting for The Lizard playing off.


Last edited by JerseyJoker; 07-03-2012 at 01:20 PM.
JerseyJoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 01:08 PM   #37
webhead921
Side-Kick
 
webhead921's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 388
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Picard Sisko View Post
So far my movie villain ranking is:
  1. Doc Ock
  2. Green Goblin
  3. New Goblin
  4. Sandman
  5. Venom

I predict that The Lizard will fall right in between Green Goblin and New Goblin.
That's pretty much where the lizard stands for me. He's good, but not as good as norman or otto

__________________
Great Job!

I'm Commander Shepard, and Jade Empire is my favorite Bioware game on the Citadel.
webhead921 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 04:25 PM   #38
Hotwire
Dealin' W/ Demons
 
Hotwire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 13,394
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Well, first off, HE LIVED! That right there is more than the other villains. Also, I really liked how even though he changed back several times, he never completely became Dr. Conners again until the antidote hit him. Hence the change in his personality and him reaching out to save Spidey. It was also good to see that the antidote wasn't a full cure and the hint tht he may become the Lizard again.

Hotwire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 04:30 PM   #39
Picard Sisko
Prepare to be Assimilated
 
Picard Sisko's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 17,948
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Quote:
Originally Posted by webhead921 View Post
That's pretty much where the lizard stands for me. He's good, but not as good as norman or otto
I think TASM2 will be able to focus a bit more on the villain than this movie. I would imagine if they use Green Goblin again, he would fall right under Doc Ock.

Picard Sisko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 04:33 PM   #40
DACrowe
Side-Kick
 
DACrowe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 26,038
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

1. Doc Ock
2. The Green Goblin (character, not looks)
3. The New Goblin/Green Goblin II
4. The Lizard (looked surprisingly fine, woefully underdeveloped)
5. Venom
6. Sandman

My rankings.

__________________
"Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country."

--John Adams
DACrowe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 04:35 PM   #41
Picard Sisko
Prepare to be Assimilated
 
Picard Sisko's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 17,948
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DACrowe View Post
1. Doc Ock
2. The Green Goblin (character, not looks)
3. The New Goblin/Green Goblin II
4. The Lizard (looked surprisingly fine, woefully underdeveloped)
5. Venom
6. Sandman

My rankings.
How come you liked Venom more than Sandman? I think its a shame that there were so many deleted scenes with Flint Marko that would have made his character more developed. There was going to be one where he visits the doctor who says he needs more money to help his daughter, etc.

Picard Sisko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 04:37 PM   #42
Spideyfan93
Hayley Atwell I love you!
 
Spideyfan93's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: New York
Posts: 5,488
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Doc Ock(Most emotional and iconic villain cinematically so far)
Green Goblin(S1...Dafoe knocked the role out of the park. Forget the suit, it wasn't that bad)
Harry Osborn(As a character who developed through the series, loved Franco)
Lizard
Sandman(Underdeveloped severely and ridiculous)
Venom(Liked Venom but obviously, potential wasted)

He fell in the middle for me because the actor played Connors great, but the script lacked a compelling story for Connors. And Lizard was awesome visually. Underdeveloped sadly though.

__________________
MAFFMANJONES MOVIE REVIEWS 2013!
4/22/13: The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Will Be Up to Par with the Best Comic Book Films! BOOK IT!
Captain America: The Winter Soldier Movie REVIEW!
VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

Spideyfan93 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 04:39 PM   #43
DarthSkywalker
Side-Kick
 
DarthSkywalker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 25,833
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

I can't believe I am about to say this, but I found The Lizard was the worst villain in any of the films so far, and that includes Sandman.

Venom at least has some menace to him and his design was nice. The Lizard and Sandman don't even have that.

__________________
"You've failed, Your Highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me."
DarthSkywalker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 04:43 PM   #44
Ajendo
Side-Kick
 
Ajendo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,295
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Strictly on entertainment value

The Lizard
Doc Ock
GG
Sandman
NG
Venom

__________________
Jamie: no more outbursts, keep your mouth shut...

...

Tyrion: I wish to confess...
Ajendo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 04:43 PM   #45
DACrowe
Side-Kick
 
DACrowe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 26,038
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Picard Sisko View Post
How come you liked Venom more than Sandman? I think its a shame that there were so many deleted scenes with Flint Marko that would have made his character more developed. There was going to be one where he visits the doctor who says he needs more money to help his daughter, etc.
Venom looked cooler and did something really evil (killed Harry) and I liked the doppleganger aspect of it. Sandman and Spidey had two really cool fight scenes in both the armored car scene and the subway/sewer scene. But, Sandman as a character was really boring to me. More development would have helped the movie, but he was boring. The only villain in that movie who was really well written is Harry and he dies a hero.

If we're talking just looks, Doc Ock, Venom, Sandman and Lizard all looked great.

__________________
"Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country."

--John Adams
DACrowe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 04:47 PM   #46
DACrowe
Side-Kick
 
DACrowe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 26,038
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker View Post
I can't believe I am about to say this, but I found The Lizard was the worst villain in any of the films so far, and that includes Sandman.

Venom at least has some menace to him and his design was nice. The Lizard and Sandman don't even have that.
I'll say the "birth" scenes of Sandman and Venom were better than Lizard's (which happened off-screen?). But he was more menacing than Sandman and not as underdeveloped as Venom. As a Lizard fan, I was sad he was underdeveloped, but he didn't feel wasted like Venom or boring like Sandman.

But to each their own, I suppose.

__________________
"Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country."

--John Adams
DACrowe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 04:49 PM   #47
The Caped Knight
Shield Avenger
 
The Caped Knight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: New York City
Posts: 28,142
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spidey_62 View Post
For those who have seen the movie already and for those who will be very shortly, what did you think of Rhys Ifans as Curt Connors/The Lizard and how did he stack up compared to the other villain's we've seen Spidey go up against on film?

Up till now it's been generally accepted that Doc Ock in SM2 was the best villain we've gotten so far. From the great visuals, the nuances of Alfred Molina's performance, so forth.

Was he better than Doc Ock or your favorite Spidey villain on film? Not as good?

The Lizard was very disappointing and he doesn't even come close to matching Alfred Molina's breakout performance as Doctor Octopus in Spider-Man 2. In fact The Lizard seemed more like a copy of Molina & Dafoe version of their respective characters.

I feel that their was to much similarities to Doc Ock and Norman Osborn from Raimi's, In his character with the duel personality of the lizard talking to Conners as the beast take over was to much like Osborn talking to The Goblin in the first movie. furthermore the absence of Martha & Billy Conners should've been addressed and would've made a much more justifiable reason behind Curt's purpose to re-grow his arm rather than just wanting to improve mankind.

Visually I would've preferred if the Lizard to keep on the white trench coat it looked way better than him without it.

villain rating
1. Doctor Octopus
2. Green Goblin
3. Venom - (Which is surprising but he was alot more menacing than Lizzy)
4. Harry Osborn
5. Sandman - (looked much more powerful)
6. The Lizard


Last edited by The Caped Knight; 07-03-2012 at 04:54 PM.
The Caped Knight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 04:51 PM   #48
Eddie Brock
Golden Domer
 
Eddie Brock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: 250 52nd St.
Posts: 24,905
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Caped Knight View Post
The Lizard was very disappointing and he doesn't even come close to matching Alfred Molina's breakout performance as Doctor Octopus . In fact The Lizard seemed more like a copy of Molina & Dafoe version of their respective characters.

I feel that their was to much similarities to Doc Ock and Norman Osborn from Raimi's, In his character with the duel personality of the lizard talking to Conners as the beast take over was to much like Osborn talking to The Goblin in the first movie. furthermore the absence of Martha & Billy Conners should've been addressed and would've made a much more justifiable reason behind Curt's purpose to re-grow his arm rather than just wanting to improve mankind.

Visually I would've preferred if the Lizard to keep on the white trench coat it looked way better than him without it.
Blame Raimi, then, for deciding to change the characterization of Osborn.

__________________
Dear Marvel, please stop canceling excellent television shows before their time.
"Dear DC, if Marvel gets Rocket Raccoon in a movie before you make either Wonder Woman or Justice League, you have f***ing failed."
-ToplessRobot.com
Eddie Brock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 04:53 PM   #49
DarthSkywalker
Side-Kick
 
DarthSkywalker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 25,833
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DACrowe View Post
I'll say the "birth" scenes of Sandman and Venom were better than Lizard's (which happened off-screen?). But he was more menacing than Sandman and not as underdeveloped as Venom. As a Lizard fan, I was sad he was underdeveloped, but he didn't feel wasted like Venom or boring like Sandman.

But to each their own, I suppose.
It isn't simply about him being underdeveloped. What is there is just bad imo.

__________________
"You've failed, Your Highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me."
DarthSkywalker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 04:54 PM   #50
Oscorp
Side-Kick
 
Oscorp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 8,358
Default Re: The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Brock View Post
Blame Raimi, then, for deciding to change the characterization of Osborn.
And Doc Ock!

__________________
Yeah they should just cancel the films and not even bother and spend the budget on building a giant statue of toby macguire instead!
-BRAB
Oscorp is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:54 PM.

monitoring_string = "dee460792f24517621e3ca080805de7e"
Contact Us - Mobile - SuperHeroHype - ComingSoon.net - Shock Till You Drop - Lost Password - Clear Cookies - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Top - AdChoices


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SuperHeroHype.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.