Uncanny Avengers

[Panthro]

Originally Posted by Hawkingbird

Joss Whedon wrote Kitty perfectly.

Yes he did.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

Or maybe they could do an arc where Cap and Tony are like, "Hey, Thor's been kicking the asses of all and sundry for like a hundred times as long as we've been alive. Let's let him lead for a while and see what happens."

Well, I would say that being a leader of the Avengers will require the abillity to not fly off the handle, be diplomatic, have a clear understanding of the geo-political.

Thor can kick serious butt. But how many times has he just run in without thinking? How many times has he been exiled by his own dad because they just can't communicate?

I want him on the team. But he's not cerebral enuff to lead.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor's father is a jerk. He was exiled so many times usually because he refused to go along with whatever clandestine scheme Odin was running. And Thor's not a moron. He rushes in and throws a lot of punches because that's the function he fills on the team; he's the tank. If he were called upon to be a leader, he'd lead. He's filled literally every combat role that exists over the course of his life; he understands the ins and outs of each one.

The geopolitical concern may be valid, but he's got the human perspective of Blake, who's familiar with present-day politics, and he's got a whole team of people to advise him on those things. Being a leader's not about being perfect and knowing everything because that's unrealistic--an important part of leadership is understanding your own weaknesses and accepting help in those areas from your team. Outside of Fraction's anomalous, super-aggressive take, Thor is generally portrayed as a pretty level-headed, sensible guy after he's learned his lesson in humility, so he'd understand that.

[The Englishman]

Originally Posted by Hawkingbird

Joss Whedon wrote Kitty perfectly.

He wrote Cyclops perfectly too....

[JewishHobbit]

I always felt that Whedon wrote Kitty a bit too young. His Cyclops was the best since pre-Morrison.

[runawayboulder]

I thought he wrote everyone pretty well, I'm not gonna split hairs...

[Panthro]

Originally Posted by JewishHobbit

I always felt that Whedon wrote Kitty a bit too young. His Cyclops was the best since pre-Morrison.

I didn't feel that at all.

[JewishHobbit]

Eh, I could be wrong. I think I just pictured her as being older while reading Excalibur and even Claremont's Uncanny. She always came accross as mid-twenties (at the youngest) back then and Whedon wrote her as maybe 19 or 20. Keep in mind though, I didn't read a lot of Kitty in my earlier years. I read Excalibur hit and miss She joined the X-Men after that but was just one of the group, seldom a focus. Then Claremont wrote her out and brought her back a couple years later in X-treme for a couple arcs, though she came across mid-20s to me there as well. Then Whedon had her and I felt like maybe she was 19 or 20.

Age aside, he did write her wonderfully. She was a very likable character.

[runawayboulder]

The whole first scene was about how far she came since her 'Professor Xavier is a Jerk moment'. There was also her catty exchange with Emma about how she learned more about good and evil from their first encounter, hammering home how much she's grown.

[TheCorpulent1]

I miss Whedon's Cyclops more every time I see what Cyclops has become since then.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

Thor's father is a jerk. He was exiled so many times usually because he refused to go along with whatever clandestine scheme Odin was running. And Thor's not a moron. He rushes in and throws a lot of punches because that's the function he fills on the team; he's the tank. If he were called upon to be a leader, he'd lead. He's filled literally every combat role that exists over the course of his life; he understands the ins and outs of each one.

The geopolitical concern may be valid, but he's got the human perspective of Blake, who's familiar with present-day politics, and he's got a whole team of people to advise him on those things. Being a leader's not about being perfect and knowing everything because that's unrealistic--an important part of leadership is understanding your own weaknesses and accepting help in those areas from your team. Outside of Fraction's anomalous, super-aggressive take, Thor is generally portrayed as a pretty level-headed, sensible guy after he's learned his lesson in humility, so he'd understand that.

Odin may be a jerk. But the the world is full of "jerks" that you can't go bashing or talking down to. Thor hasn't been Don Blake in forever. And even then, he was focused on medicine.

If understanding your own weaknesses is a quality you need, count Thor out on that one too. This is a guy who, because of his own pride, will still try to battle the Hulk muscle to muscle instead of using his head.

[Hawkingbird]

His Astonishing run was so brilliant...why was he so awful at the film?

[Smirnoff]

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

Maybe Cassaday's only doing the first arc. Marvel likes doing that: grab a big name for the first arc, then either switch over to someone more affordable as the regular artist or rotate through other big names.

As for the book itself, the concept sounds intriguing. Mutants and humans coming together as a team whose point is basically to have mutants and humans on a team. (Although the Avengers have never had any problem recruiting mutants before, but of course that's irrelevant to the overarching concept here.) The characters are mostly good. Don't really care for Rogue or Wolverine, personally, but I'm sure I can live with them. The costumes are pretty awful. Thor just straight-up looks like an idiot, the Scarlet Witch looks like a red Emma Frost, which doesn't really suit her, and I've never been a fan of Havok's weird three-point headgear. But I'm willing to give it a chance, mainly for Remender.

At least it used to be only artists. They do that for writers as well now. Don't you just hate picking up a book just to realize the good writer is only there for the first arc for sales? DC does it, too.

[moraldeficiency]

Originally Posted by Shazam

If understanding your own weaknesses is a quality you need, count Thor out on that one too. This is a guy who, because of his own pride, will still try to battle the Hulk muscle to muscle instead of using his head.

Yeah, but that's mainly done in hulk books by hulk writers.

[chamber-music]

Red Skull went there calling Rogue Magneto's Ho

[Panthro]

Originally Posted by chamber-music

Red Skull went there calling Rogue Magneto's Ho

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by moraldeficiency

Yeah, but that's mainly done in hulk books by hulk writers.

Thor is already having to be cooled off by the level headed Cap, in Part 2 of the Red Skull storyline........just read it today.

But thor has done this in other books as well.

[Slick]

pretty good second issue I thought. Red skull stole the show lol but I can't for him to get smack down tho.

[runawayboulder]

Originally Posted by chamber-music

Red Skull went there calling Rogue Magneto's Ho

Yeah, that was funny. I'm wondering how the Skull knows Magneto from when he was a kid? I remember their feud way back in Cap vol 1 during Acts of Vengeance when Mags buried Skull alive for being a Nazi but not because they knew each other.

[chamber-music]

The final scene was pretty shocking. Red Skull might of just found a way or reuniting every superhereo against him by what he did.

This is the kind of stuff that makes the Red Skull the most hated supervillain even with other supervillains. He is truely despicable and unredeemable

[runawayboulder]

Yeah, Doom may be the "greatest" villain at Marvel but Skull is the most evil with a capital E-V-I-L.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by runawayboulder

Yeah, Doom may be the "greatest" villain at Marvel but Skull is the most evil with a capital E-V-I-L.

I agree ....

Doom has played the hero from time to time.....even Reed and Sue's daughter can find his soft side.


But the Skull?? He is a total VOID!

He's Marvel's Joker, when we talk about pure Evil

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by chamber-music

The final scene was pretty shocking. Red Skull might of just found a way or reuniting every superhereo against him by what he did.

This is the kind of stuff that makes the Red Skull the most hated supervillain even with other supervillains. He is truely despicable and unredeemable

I guess we can say that Xavier aint coming back from this one.

[runawayboulder]

Who knows with Bendis tinkering with time lines over in ANXM.

[chamber-music]

I don't get why the mutant Avengers integration is made as a big game changer by Marvel given that Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and Beast have been Avengers for years.