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Old 07-08-2012, 09:50 PM   #51
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thank god they kept the montges to a minimum.

As far as the above debate: Peter didnt create the Lizard. For his own reasons, Curt, a middle aged adult and a brilliant scientist, made the incredibly reckless choice to inject himself with a completely untestested experimental drug. Peter, a child, has no responsiblity for what Dr. Connors decided to do.

Bruce's deliberate and premeditated and also reckless actions, on the other hand, have a strong bearing on the actions/responses of the antagonists, and lead to the murder of Rachel and the creation of Two Face.


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But when done effectively it was brilliant. TASM desperately needed something like the montage from Spider-Man that really establishes his presence in NYC.
I can understand that and maybe we might get that in a sequel since he'll be active for a lot longer. I still enjoy the first two films, it's just some of Raimi's signature cheese got in the way at times. I guess that large spray painting of the spider design was a slight look at his growing popularity. That and Flash wearing the T-shirt.


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Spider-Man had his presence clearly and better in TASM. From viral videos online, Capt. Stacy complaining about him to him gaining a bigger presence after defeating the Lizard.

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thank god they kept the montges to a minimum.

Peter didnt create the Lizard. For his own reasons, Curt, a middle aged adult and a brilliant scientist, made the incredibly reckless choice to inject himself with a completely untestested experimental drug. Peter, a child, has no responsiblity for what Dr. Connors decided to do.

Bruce actions, on the other hand, have a strong bearing on the actions of the antagonists, and lead to the creation of Two Face.
They inspired the Joker to become a symbol, but that was his own personal choice. Without Peter's actions, Connors has nothing to inject into himself. Thus, no Lizard or any subsequent crossed species from that formula's usage.

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They inspired the Joker to become a symbol, but that was his own personal choice. Without Peter's actions, Connors has nothing to inject into himself. Thus, no Lizard or any subsequent crossed species from that formula's usage.
Again, that's reaching I feel. Did Spidey create Doc Ock in Spidey 2 because he didn't stop him in time? Or did he create Venom because he took off the symbiote in the same church Brock happened to be in?

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Again, that's reaching I feel. Did Spidey create Doc Ock in Spidey 2 because he didn't stop him in time? Or did he create Venom because he took off the symbiote in the same church Brock happened to be in?
It can be argued in the case of Venom, given Peter's rivalry with Brock and the symbiote which leads to his creation (though the symbiote would have selected a host anyway), but Ock didn't get the tentacles fixed to his spine due to Spider-Man's interference. It was his own ego that led to it. Fate just made them enemies. In this case, Connors couldn't become the Lizard without Peter's direct involvement in his life. Ock would have become Ock. Someone would have become a symbiote host. In TASM, there is no Lizard without Peter giving Connors that information. It was impossible. The others were not.

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I liked it but didn't love it. It had a lot of problems and might of done more things wrong than right, but what it did right it did very well.

Loved the suit. It looked more like an actual durable costume than the Raimi one. Once in the mask Andrew Garfield really pulled off the humor. I for one loved the car thief scene. Unfortunately the construction of the suit didn't fit, where it had the same problem as before in that Peter Parker is somehow able to make it. It could have been accomplished if we'd seen more of how he made it, possibly using the web material and putting his spidey powers to work. But we didn't and it works less here than it did in Raimi's because of the grittier direction.

Conners/Lizard was a pretty weak, generic character. Liked the creature's design though.

Emma Stone did a good job with Gwen Stacy and the romance was done well, especially the awkwardness.

I liked Garfield as Parker but he was portrayed as more of a punk skater than the intelligent nerd I've expected him to be. I wish he was less cool.

Maybe the biggest flaw about it was the tonal confusion. It attempts to be a family drama, a coming-of-age comedy, and an action movie all at once and doesn't truly succeed at any.

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How does the suit work less here? He bought the spandex off of the internet.

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How does the suit work less here? He bought the spandex off of the internet.
It's just that he was able to make a professional movie-quality suit in what seemed like no time without Parker being a great, noteworthy seamstress. I think the suit itself works wonderfully, it's just the making of it that felt off to me.

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I still personally feel like it works better though, at least a little of how it's made is shown.

(By the way, isn't the male name for a clothing-maker tailor? While seamstress is the female name?)

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I still personally feel like it works better though, at least a little of how it's made is shown.
I wish we had seen more of how it was made. It would have made it easier to swallow in that world.

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It can be argued in the case of Venom, given Peter's rivalry with Brock and the symbiote which leads to his creation (though the symbiote would have selected a host anyway), but Ock didn't get the tentacles fixed to his spine due to Spider-Man's interference. It was his own ego that led to it. Fate just made them enemies. In this case, Connors couldn't become the Lizard without Peter's direct involvement in his life. Ock would have become Ock. Someone would have become a symbiote host. In TASM, there is no Lizard without Peter giving Connors that information. It was impossible. The others were not.
By that logic I could blame General Slokum in Spider-Man 1 for creating Green Goblin because he forced Norman into a desperate situation to save his funding. I could blame the Cops for creating Sandman because they chased Flint Marko and forced him to run into the nuclear particle facility.

Connors tested the serum on himself by his own choice without having tried any human trials before hand. It doesn't matter if Peter or Santa Claus gave him the equation for the formula. What Connors did with that formula was his fault. Not Spider-Man's.

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But this is counter acted for me by the fact that Peter is out to clean up his own messes in this film pretty much. Webb's NYC was put in peril because Peter "created" the villain. In Raimi's films, they obtained power without Parker's help (outside of Venom, but even there the symbiote would have chosen a host anyway). I like that aspect of the Raimi world far more than in Webb's world.
This is still a pretty big part of who Spider-Man is though. There's a lot of mistakes that he makes throughout the course of his life that he's usually taking responsibility for. It's pretty much one of the biggest themes that follows Peter Parker; taking responsibility for one's actions. My favorite part about that aspect of his character is that he's usually always taking on things that are far too big for him. Sometimes he comes out on top, sometimes he doesn't.

Just look to the comics. "No one dies" has been a pretty big theme of his for a while now. Ends of the Earth put that to the test. The whole conflict in that arc had to do with Doc Ock stealing the tech he invented to go about making his doomsday device. He took responsibility and took him down, blaming himself the whole time.

Peter is pretty much defined by his making mistakes and cleaning up after them. This really is no different.

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The question of whether Batman has exacerbated Gotham's existing problems and helped create all new ones is a MAJOR theme of BB and especially TDK. The fact that Peter helped Connors with his science experiment is an interesting, but incidental detail of the plot. If Gwen or another scientist or connors himself had provided the breakthrough, the events of the film would have played out exactly the same. Peter wouldve tried to stop the Lizard regardless of who helped create the formula.

Peter blamed himself because thats his personality, and because he still felt responsible for Uncle Ben's death. He likes to guilt trip himself. But the reality is that he wasnt responsible for what happened, and had no reason to think Connors would do something so crazy.

And it wasnt a mistake for Peter to help Connors with the formula. It was an important breakthrough that shouldve led to months or years of further testing.

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The question of whether Batman has exacerbated Gotham's existing problems and helped create all new ones is a MAJOR theme of BB and especially TDK. The fact that Peter helped Connors with his science experiment is an interesting, but incidental detail of the plot. If Gwen or another scientist or connors himself had provided the breakthrough, the events of the film would have played out exactly the same. Peter wouldve tried to stop the Lizard regardless of who helped create the formula.

Peter blamed himself because thats his personality, and because he still felt responsible for Uncle Ben's death. He likes to guilt trip himself. But the reality is that he wasnt responsible for what happened, and had no reason to think Connors would do something so crazy.
Exactly. Peter is notorious for putting all the pressure on himself. You could almost say it's what drives him. Even if it's not his fault he'll usually treat it as such.

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I give 3 stars.
thought the movie was boring and uninteresting.
The movie was combination of Twilight and Dark Knight.
The story felt too repetitive from 2002 movie, costume sucked, and Lizard was just too boring to watch and didn't even look like Lizard.
Actions scenes were meh, and thought that Flash became a good guy too fast and too easily.
It kinda saddens me because Spiderman 2 was the reason I joined this forum but now I just totally lost interest on Spiderman movies.

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How was it anything like Twilight or The Dark Knight?

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Because it had romance and was grounded more in reality.

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How was it anything like Twilight or The Dark Knight?
Peter and Gwen relationship felt little similar to Twilight.
And I made mistake by saying Dark Knight, I actually meant Batman Begins on its origin storyline. The way how they showed Spiderman's orgin felt similar to Batman Begins origin.

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Peter and Gwen relationship felt little similar to Twilight.
Because it's a teenage romance? Specifics please. Tell me how a smart, self-reliant, fun-personality Gwen Stacy dating an awkward, superhero, geek Peter Parker is anything like a mopey, debbie downer, emo chick who always needs to be saved Bella Swan wanting to be with a reserved, sparkle vampire Edward Cullen.
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I must have missed where Bruce Wayne's parents were researching biological science to the point of being hunted down by unknown forces.

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They just felt similar to me..I'm not sure how I can explain how I feel like that.
If you don't like the fact the I compared it to Twilight, then fine..you don't have to agree with it.

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Your comparing two films that have nothing in common at all other than they have charaters with more than human abilities in romatic situations.

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I liked Garfield as Parker but he was portrayed as more of a punk skater than the intelligent nerd I've expected him to be. I wish he was less cool.
I still disagree with comments like these. Just because he skates doesn't make him one of the cool kids or a punk. Just watching the scenes at the High School you can tell he's definitely not one of the cool kids with how awkward he is as well as when people are laughing when Flash messes with him. When he's on the ground after Flash beats him up, some random kid kicks his camera. He doesn't get much respect because he's a nerd. Just because someone skates doesn't mean they're one of the cool kids. In a big city it's a nice way of getting around I can imagine when you're too young to drive. I guess I'm one of the few that didn't have a problem with him skating.

I can understand how most of us are used to Peter Park from his original comics, when it took place in the 60s back when skateboarding wasn't as huge as it got in the 80s and 90s but I don't think it takes away from the character in the movie version.

Also, for the poster above a few posts who said the Lizard didn't look like the Lizard. Actually he looked close enough if you know the original design from the old school comics. I admit it might have been cooler if he looked more modern with the snout and all but I personally wasn't bothered by the movie look. My complaint with the Lizard is that it was a missed opportunity that they didn't involve Connors family like the comics for some much needed additional drama. To be honest it seemed like he was single and without kids in this version.


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They just felt similar to me..I'm not sure how I can explain how I feel like that.
If you don't like the fact the I compared it to Twilight, then fine..you don't have to agree with it.
It's not a matter of agreeing with your comparison, it's trying to understand why you compared them when they literally are nothing alike other than it being a teenage romance.

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I liked how Connors was initially adamantly against testing out the serum on humans. It was only when the program was going to be shut down did he become desperate, and realised his dream of having two arms would be effectively over. As The Joker said, Peter may have helped complete the formula, but it's Connor's own fault he gave into the urge.

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