OFFICIAL Rate & Review the Amazing Spider-Man! - Part 1

[AF3619]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Raimi's Spider-Man stronger? You mean the guy that couldn't knock out Doc Ock? Though I'm not really denying it. Andrew's Spider-Man is still in high school, while Raimi's Spider-Man already finished college. Spider-Man in his teens was weaker.

well, yeah that´s true

[Oscorp]

Him not knocking out Doc Ock has to do with pulling his punches. Though one might ask why he wouldn't try to knock him out.

Raimi's Spider-Man was stronger. But as someone else here said, I like that Webb's Spider-Man is more agile and quick.

But the action in ASM wasn't really up to Raimi levels if you ask me. There was a heavy lack of jaw dropping, spectacular action. Lizard was too slow for that.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Originally Posted by Smegger56

ASM is better than all. I put ASM in the top 4 of CB films of all time. I found it that good. Like ya say, to each their own

Originally Posted by Spideyman123

I'm guessing you didn't pay attention to the action scenes

Yes I did, the ones in ASM were very average and nothing compared to the Raimi fight scene's for me. NOTHING in ASM came anywere close to either Doc Ock fight in Spiderman 2. Thats not even mentioning the ones in Spidey 1 and 3 which had some great action scene's as well.

[Infinity9999x]

Originally Posted by AVEITWITHJAMON

Yes I did, the ones in ASM were very average and nothing compared to the Raimi fight scene's for me. NOTHING in ASM came anywere close to either Doc Ock fight in Spiderman 2. Thats not even mentioning the ones in Spidey 1 and 3 which had some great action scene's as well.

The one thing I'll give the Raimi films is that, until Avengers, the Spidey vs Ock train fight as the top superhero fight of all time. And this is coming from a guy that really doesn't like SM2. I think ASM's fights were good, and I generally preferred the way they had Spidey move during his fighting, but the Ock train sequence was gold.

That said, Raimi's films were also surprisingly inconsistent. You have the Ock train sequence which has CGI work that is still pretty darn good nearly ten years later, and then you have CGI fight sequence sin SM3 that look worse then some of the stuff he had in SM1. I never understood that.

[Jick09]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Raimi's Spider-Man stronger? You mean the guy that couldn't knock out Doc Ock? Though I'm not really denying it. Andrew's Spider-Man is still in high school, while Raimi's Spider-Man already finished college. Spider-Man in his teens was weaker.

It's like Oscorp said, it probably has to do with him pulling his punches, like he does in the comics. Ideally, Ock would most likely fall uncounscious (even though in the movie he is physically able to carry those tentacles without it ripping his back) but, for the movie's sake, he has to endure it, or it would be just boring. And let's remember that this is the same Spidey who was able to hold a cable car full of kids, to slow down a speeding train and hold that huge and heavy wall to protect MJ.

I remember Webb saying something about Spidey's powers for the sequel. I think he said that he'll be more powerfull, that he'll use his powers in new ways and that he'll have more fun being Spider-Man, but I can't find it.

[Oscorp]

You don't need to search for that source because I remember it as well and I think many others do too

Webb said something about Spidey now being an "expert" or something like that. I can't wait to see how that will be!

[Visualiza]

Originally Posted by Infinity9999x

The one thing I'll give the Raimi films is that, until Avengers, the Spidey vs Ock train fight as the top superhero fight of all time. And this is coming from a guy that really doesn't like SM2. I think ASM's fights were good, and I generally preferred the way they had Spidey move during his fighting, but the Ock train sequence was gold.

That said, Raimi's films were also surprisingly inconsistent. You have the Ock train sequence which has CGI work that is still pretty darn good nearly ten years later, and then you have CGI fight sequence sin SM3 that look worse then some of the stuff he had in SM1. I never understood that.

That was one thing that always stuck out in my mind. I still feel that the final swing from Spidey 1 was the most natural looking CGI from the trilogy.

[pr0xyt0xin]

yeah lol. Did Tobey ever land a hit on Doc Ock though? If he did, and he wasn't ko'd there's definitely a problem.

Andrew's Spidey is younger and that's definitely a factor. Not to mention just hasn't been Spider-Man for nearly as long as Tobey, who had plenty of time to get better at the job.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by pr0xyt0xin

yeah lol. Did Tobey ever land a hit on Doc Ock though? If he did, and he wasn't ko'd there's definitely a problem.

He hit him in the face over and over again. Even if Spidey was pulling his punches, after a certain amount of hits Ock should have gone down. Realistically after the first one. Heck, a flick of the finger would have sufficed to knock him out.

[The Joker]

Ock had A.I. wired into his brain and central nervous system. I don't see him losing consciousness. Couple that with Spidey pulling his punches. After all he's not using his great power with great responsibility if he puts his fist thru Ock's face.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Originally Posted by Infinity9999x

The one thing I'll give the Raimi films is that, until Avengers, the Spidey vs Ock train fight as the top superhero fight of all time. And this is coming from a guy that really doesn't like SM2. I think ASM's fights were good, and I generally preferred the way they had Spidey move during his fighting, but the Ock train sequence was gold.

That said, Raimi's films were also surprisingly inconsistent. You have the Ock train sequence which has CGI work that is still pretty darn good nearly ten years later, and then you have CGI fight sequence sin SM3 that look worse then some of the stuff he had in SM1. I never understood that.

To be fair, there are still very few CBM action sequences that top either fight in Spidey 2, they were both gold, even the first one is so under-rated.

But yeah, agree about some CGI in Spidey 3, some of the stuff in the first 2 movies still holds up today, yet very scne's in Spidey 3 do, its obvious Raimi's heart wasnt truly in Spidey 3.

Originally Posted by The Joker

Ock had A.I. wired into his brain and central nervous system. I don't see him losing consciousness. Couple that with Spidey pulling his punches. After all he's not using his great power with great responsibility if he puts his fist thru Ock's face.

Yeah, I always thought that about the A.I wired into his brain, 1 scene in SPidey 2.1 proved it to me, when they crash through the window in the first fight, Spidey punches him repeatedly and Ock looks out of the game, next minute the arms grab Spidey and Ock is awake again, I think they kept him conscious.

Not to mention, in both fights lives were at stake, Aunt May's and countless civilians in the first fight, were if he knocks Ock out he falls down to the street below. And then in the train fight, if he knocks Ock out or kills him, he never finds MJ, I think people tend to forget these points.

[TheForgotten]

Originally Posted by The Joker

Ock had A.I. wired into his brain and central nervous system. I don't see him losing consciousness. Couple that with Spidey pulling his punches. After all he's not using his great power with great responsibility if he puts his fist thru Ock's face.

Would of sped up the process of, you know, saving thousands of lives.

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by TheForgotten

Would of sped up the process of, you know, saving thousands of lives.

If that's the kind of hero mentality you like then go watch The Punisher. Spider-Man's not for you.

[Jick09]

Originally Posted by AVEITWITHJAMON

Not to mention, in both fights lives were at stake, Aunt May's and countless civilians in the first fight, were if he knocks Ock out he falls down to the street below. And then in the train fight, if he knocks Ock out or kills him, he never finds MJ, I think people tend to forget these points.

I don't think people actually want Ock to be knocked out after a few punches. Just saying that, in a more ideal world, it probably would, but then we would have to rule out some other things too.

But, like I said before, it would be anti-climatic. They have to put up a good fight.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Originally Posted by Jick09

I don't think people actually want Ock to be knocked out after a few punches. Just saying that, in a more ideal world, it probably would, but then we would have to rule out some other things too.

But, like I said before, it would be anti-climatic. They have to put up a good fight.

Again though, in both fights he couldnt knock Ock out without endangering others. Especially in the 2nd fight if he knocks Ock out he never finds out were he is keeping MJ. In the first if he knocks Ock out he falls to the street below endangering all the civilians.

[Picard Sisko]

Originally Posted by AVEITWITHJAMON

To be fair, there are still very few CBM action sequences that top either fight in Spidey 2, they were both gold, even the first one is so under-rated.

I think there is so much to do with Spider-Man and his fight scenes.

Yeah, I always thought that about the A.I wired into his brain, 1 scene in SPidey 2.1 proved it to me, when they crash through the window in the first fight, Spidey punches him repeatedly and Ock looks out of the game, next minute the arms grab Spidey and Ock is awake again, I think they kept him conscious.

Interesting. I'll have to take another look.

Not to mention, in both fights lives were at stake, Aunt May's and countless civilians in the first fight, were if he knocks Ock out he falls down to the street below. And then in the train fight, if he knocks Ock out or kills him, he never finds MJ, I think people tend to forget these points.

[Nathan]

You mean to tell me he seriously wouldn't have been able to capture him with webbing and tie up his tentacles, once he knocked him out and then ask him about MJ's whereabouts? I think Raimi just wanted to have cool fight scenes and that's all there is to it. Ideally, Spider-Man should have had trouble to even get close to Ock during their entire fight, because of his tentacles being all over the place.

[Jick09]

Originally Posted by AVEITWITHJAMON

Again though, in both fights he couldnt knock Ock out without endangering others. Especially in the 2nd fight if he knocks Ock out he never finds out were he is keeping MJ. In the first if he knocks Ock out he falls to the street below endangering all the civilians.

I understood what you said in the first time you did. I was clarifying that, although some talk about Spidey being able to knock him out with some punches in the face (regardless of the situation), this probably isn't something they'd want to happen.

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by Oscorp

The action really wasn't better in ASM to me

Besides the high school fight which is one of the few highlights of TAS-M, imo, I agree.

[Scar Predator]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Raimi's Spider-Man stronger? You mean the guy that couldn't knock out Doc Ock? Though I'm not really denying it. Andrew's Spider-Man is still in high school, while Raimi's Spider-Man already finished college. Spider-Man in his teens was weaker.

The Spidey who stopped an out-of-control train, yeah. I didn't see anything in ASM, purely strength-wise, to equal that. As others have pointed out, Raimi's Spidey was older by a few years. Just a couple of years with irradiated blood should have made him even stronger than a younger version who just had his mutation introduced.

[Oscorp]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

Besides the high school fight which is one of the few highlights of TAS-M, imo, I agree.

I don't even think that one reaches Raimi's standard. The way Spidey moves is perfect, but Lizard is so slow and almost a little clumpsy. And Lizard tossing that bottle and the speech after kills it a little for me. There's also something about the whole battle, not only Lizard, that feels a little slow. With Raimi's action there was always this rush and high speed feeling.

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I like that bottle move, he's a scientist after all. The only Raimi fights that I don't like are the Goblin burning building fight and the Harry fight at the mansion in SM3. I thought all the TASM fights were great. But they weren't as good as the two train fights, grave yard fight, and the battle royal.

I'm taking the mansion fight back.

[Anno_Domini]

I loved him mixing the chemicals as well! It was perfect with how Connors is a scientist after all. Haha, I'm defending TAS-M, how odd, but the high school battle is really a shining moment in the reboot as I thought everything was perfect in it. And while Lizard came off a bit slow, imo, he came off that way during the entire movie, so his movements were fine in that battle since he was that way in the entire film.

[SpiderMan'sBoot]

While Marc Webb explains what's in store for Peter Parker/Spider-Man (Andrew Garfield) in the next film. "There's a lot of pressure coming [Peter Parker's] way, and we'll see how he handles it," Webb explains. "The last movie, Peter's sort of discovering his powers and he's getting gradually better. Peter, in the next movie, is going to be a virtuoso. Spider-Man, from the outset, is a pro. He's an expert, and he's having a blast, and he is just electrifying in terms of his abilities as Spider-Man. That's going to be really fun. I'm really looking forward to a lot of those sequences."

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Here's Webb on the powers. Saw it mentioned above.

[GENERAL RAAM582]

That sounds really cool.