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Old 08-23-2012, 03:16 AM   #376
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I think Bale is the best Batman we've had so far...but he's far from perfect.
He's about as close to it as it gets.

The looks
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No one else has the all around Bruce / Batman tools Bale presented on screen.

And NONE of them carried the heavy lifting of two films on their acting chops the way Bale did in BEGINS and RISES, yet subtely was the backbone and spring board for an actor to play off ... to give one of the most iconic performances in movie history in Heath's Joker.

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Old 08-23-2012, 03:51 AM   #377
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I think Bale's Batman is better than that of Keaton, Kilmer and Clooney and I don't think that it will be easily beaten.

I can't think of any actors who are fan favorites right now to perform better than Bale, it would be hard to top.

If it does happen, the I would be happy to be proven wrong.
I prefer Keaton's Batman, but then, I prefer Bale's Bruce Wayne.

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Old 08-23-2012, 04:59 AM   #378
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Who would win in a brawl?! lol

Burton/Keaton's Batman is way too overrated if we are talking realistic or comic booky movie. He was tiny and couldn't fight to save his life.He was great for cartoony/gothic live action Batman which Burton wanted. If he directed Batman in this era, he would probably choose Johnny Depp to play Batman.

I love the actor though.I wish we could see him more in movies.

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Old 08-23-2012, 05:07 AM   #379
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Visually Keaton still looked pretty great as Batman.

Both Bale and Keaton are my favorites. Granted Bale had the more meaty material to work with and in ways is the stronger actor but I still think both of their performances are iconic when it comes to representing Batman.

Plus they both looked great.


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Old 08-23-2012, 05:18 AM   #380
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Burton/Keaton's Batman is way too overrated if we are talking realistic or comic booky movie. He was tiny and couldn't fight to save his life.He was great for cartoony/gothic live action Batman which Burton wanted.
I understand this POV after seeing Bale's Batman in action, but back then, Keaton was still great for what kind of films these were.

IDK, I can't really pinpoint the exact reason why I prefer Keaton's Batman. Maybe it's the fact that he was the first live action Batman I had seen as a young child and he still resonates with me to this day. But I loved his voice, and I loved his demeanor as Batman.

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Both Bale and Keaton are my favorites.
Yep. West, Keaton, Conroy and Bale are first rate in my book.

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Old 08-23-2012, 05:23 AM   #382
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They will both definitely be remembered for a long time to come.

I get annoyed when some people seriously believe Bale's Batman had no iconic images compared to Keaton. Keaton has some great iconic images but I think Bale has plenty as well.

I probably also prefer Bale because he had more to work with and I generally preferred his characterisation compared to Keaton.

Plus I think Keaton looked like a total derp sometimes in the suit Bale did sometimes as well.

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Old 08-23-2012, 05:33 AM   #383
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I understand this POV after seeing Bale's Batman in action, but back then, Keaton was still great for what kind of films these were.

IDK, I can't really pinpoint the exact reason why I prefer Keaton's Batman. Maybe it's the fact that he was the first live action Batman I had seen as a young child and he still resonates with me to this day. But I loved his voice, and I loved his demeanor as Batman.
I love first two Batman movies. I still enjoy Batman,Joker,Catwoman & Penguin a lot. And actors gave great performances under certain direction.They were cartoony movies and not the way i want Batman movies to be. (they were great though)

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Old 08-23-2012, 05:45 AM   #384
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Actors fate depends on directors & studios though.Who knows maybe even Clooney could be good Batman and Schwarzenegger could be great villain if they had great vision for the Batman.

I can see there can be better Bruce/Batman if only studio can bring a director who can create better Bruce/Batman in screen. Same goes for Joker,Two-Face,Gordon,Catwoman,Bane etc.

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I've always felt that Keaton was a good at showing the weird and secluded side of Bruce Wayne but a terrible Batman. Terrible, of course, compared to Bale and animated series. Still, I would prefer him any day to Val Kilmer or George Clooney.
However, there is a scene with his Batman that I cannot stand at all. It is so out of character just to make him look more badass that it does the exact opposite for me - Click click click

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I've always felt that Keaton was a good at showing the weird and secluded side of Bruce Wayne but a terrible Batman. Terrible, of course, compared to Bale and animated series. Still, I would prefer him any day to Val Kilmer or George Clooney.
However, there is a scene with his Batman that I cannot stand at all. It is so out of character just to make him look more badass that it does the exact opposite for me - Click click click
Haha.Yeah, killing a thug with a bomb.

This is even worse. He got his *** kicked from a random Joker thugh for a while and he had to cheat to win.. and kills the guy as well. Even Bane couldn't give this much problem to Batman in 2nd fight.

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I love first two Batman movies. I still enjoy Batman,Joker,Catwoman & Penguin a lot. And actors gave great performances under certain direction.They were cartoony movies and not the way i want Batman movies to be. (they were great though)
Well, I'm just thankful they weren't as corny and cartoony as Batman & Robin.

Oh god. *shudders at the memory* LMAO.

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Well, I'm just thankful they weren't as corny and cartoony as Batman & Robin.

Oh god. *shudders at the memory* LMAO.
Burton's movies cartoony but those were good example of that approach.Batman & Robin movie was forced to be toy-ish or something by studio. It's not even cartoony. It was almost cyanide pill for Batman myth.

With that said, I like Batman & Robin more than Batman forever to be honest. B&R is so bad that it's almost like a parody. You can laugh at all if you don't watch it as a Batman movie.. BF is just a bad movie. It's somewhere between Burton & Schumacher's movie.

Getting Nolan & these cast was like hitting a lottery after that movie. But also if B&R wasn't that much failure, studios wouldn't try to take such opposite direction. From most corny approach to most serious approach for a superhero movie. We can be undirectly greateful for Schumacher for it.

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Haha.Yeah, killing a thug with a bomb.

This is even worse. He got his *** kicked from a random Joker thugh for a while and he had to cheat to win.. and kills the guy as well. Even Bane couldn't give this much problem to Batman in 2nd fight.

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Yeah, this is just awful. Not to mention that in those movies you don't even know about Batman's reluctance to kill.
However, when I was a kid those movies felt really scary to me. Now they are just entertaining

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With that said, I like Batman & Robin more than Batman forever to be honest. B&R is so bad that it's almost like a parody. You can laugh at all if you don't watch it as a Batman movie.. BF is just a bad movie. It's somewhere between Burton & Schumacher's movie.
I don't even remember much of what happens in Batman Forever to be honest. I saw it once, maybe twice. Meh.

I remember some scenes but not the general plot. Forgettable I guess lol.

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I personally don't see anyone beating Bale's Bruce Wayne, but his Batman will be beaten.
Any ideas how exactly the new Batman could be superior? I know people have issues with the voice, but I like it and it makes sense. Perhaps physically (build, fights) the next batman could improve, but I think Bale's batman was pretty darn good.

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I don't even remember much of what happens in Batman Forever to be honest. I saw it once, maybe twice. Meh.
I seriously think Schumacher was the head of LOS. He tried it with Batman Forever at first and later fullfilled his destiny with more advanced weapon, Batman & Robin.

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I really enjoy the whole sequence of Batman's return near the end of the movie. Using his bat darts with precision to put down goon after goon. Having the makeshift bat emblem lit up. Saving Blake from death by bashing up those goons (that finishing kick!) and using The Bat to blow open the barrier.

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This is Batman, if anyone can bring such intensity, theatricality then maybe Bale can be topped but I don't think so.

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I don't think Audiences had ever seen a live action version of Batman go through so many trials and stages in his life, let alone being presented during his most vulnerable moments as the version that we got with Bale and his performance.

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Bale's Batman/Wayne had far more depth than any other one so far but that is probably more down to the writing, he just did a great job of using what he was given of course as well!

Bit of a risk to take it on in the first place due some redicule of the previous Batman films, but I guess he knew from the script it was going to be a bit different.

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Maybe it's because I was too young to remember and enjoy them but none of the pre-Nolan Batman films did anything for me. I've re-watched it when I was older obviously and for some reason they still felt very outdated for me. Catwoman was the only thing I liked in Burton's and she's not even close to the Catwoman in the comics. I did like Kilmer's Bruce Wayne though.

So yeah... it's Bale all the way for both Bruce and Batman for me. It helps too that Bale is one of my favorite actors.

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Yeah. I mean when it's all said and done and the dust clears the "definitive" Batman movies are BB, TDK & TDKR for me.

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I love the rage Bale gave the character. I remember sitting up and taking notice during the Flass interrogation the first time. I personally had not seen Batman so wild and intense as that before at that stage. It really conveyed to me that Batman is so close from being, or feeling like, a bad guy at times, which is cool. And then we have him yelling at Heath's Joker, dropping Maroni from that height and yelling at Bane. Bale's Batman is a beast.

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