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Old 12-06-2012, 10:47 PM   #801
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:43 PM   #802
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:22 AM   #803
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I was just watching Men in Black 1 again not too long ago, and I realized that there were some things in that film that I wouldn't have minded seeing being translated into this film given on how both that film and TDKR dealt with a veteran passing down his duties to a younger generation.

Personally, I think it would have bee nice to see for example, things like showing on how John Blake's cop was as mobile and good in basic hand-to-hand combat on the streets as a cop like how they did with Will Smith's character at the beginning of MIB, showing his willingness and determination while also demonstrating that he has potential if he were to be taught professionally and if he were to hone his skills. All of this could have gone noticed by Bruce at some point.

Also, if the film had time, it would have been good to show a scene that dealt with Blake being pushed into the same abyss that Harvey was sent to, only for Blake to demonstrate that unlike Harvey, he was able to overcome it and not lose faith, therefore further showing Bruce that he wouldn't have another Two-Face scenario on his hands if Blake were to come across the same emotional turmoil as Gotham's new protector in the future.

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Old 12-18-2012, 10:16 PM   #804
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You know what I wanted so desperately to see? Bruce talking to his parents at their grave. Like maybe after he got back from Gotham and before showing himself to Selina.

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Old 12-18-2012, 10:27 PM   #805
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You know what I wanted so desperately to see? Bruce talking to his parents at their grave. Like maybe after he got back from Gotham and before showing himself to Selina.
I completely agree. It's such an iconic image in Batman lore, I'm a little disheartened Nolan didn't include it.

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Old 12-18-2012, 10:27 PM   #806
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You know what I wanted so desperately to see? Bruce talking to his parents at their grave. Like maybe after he got back from Gotham and before showing himself to Selina.
That's pretty much my only complaint, or scene that I wanted from Nolan that he didn't deliver. What makes it worse is seeing those set pictures of Bruce's parents graves/graveside by the manor. I totally thought we were going to get it, but it was of course setup for Bruce's "funeral" at the end of the film.

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Old 12-18-2012, 10:31 PM   #807
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It had so much potential too. Just imagine the scene with some great lines from the Nolans, Bale as Bruce acting his ass off and Zimmer's score. Maybe even some rain MOTP style. Ugh.

I can see why it didn't happen in TDK since the manor is still being rebuilt but there really wasn't a reason not to have that scene in TDKR. The set pieces are all there and there's a place for it in the story.


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Old 12-18-2012, 10:37 PM   #808
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I like to think that it happened in the time between TDK and Rises. Would have been very cool to see it, just for keeping us fans happy.

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Old 12-18-2012, 10:40 PM   #809
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My head canon is he visited his parents' grave after he came back from the pit. He most likely went back to the manor anyway before seeing Selina since he had to get the clean slate.


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Old 12-18-2012, 11:31 PM   #810
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To be completely honest, though, it was kinda shocking that the first time we ever see their graves in this film was right next to Bruce's. It was strong, and it was at that moment that I honestly believed that Nolan went ahead and killed Bruce Wayne.

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Old 12-19-2012, 05:32 AM   #811
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The thing that I've always found a bit strange is how no one seems to bring up at times that despite Bruce's playboy/reclusive persona and traits, no one ever really brings up the fact that this is a guy who saw his parents murdered right in front of him. I mean you'd think that it'd be common knowledge for most people and that it would be talked about among some characters when talking about his personality.

Heck, I would have liked to have wondered on what someone like Harvey and Selina would think of Bruce as when knowing that this is also a guy that, despite the persona he gives off to the public, he did experience a terrible tragedy of his own so he's not just some spoiled rich dude.

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After re-watching the trilogy today, without a doubt in my mind, Bruce Wayne's character arc is one of the single greatest main character arc's in film history.

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Old 12-23-2012, 07:12 PM   #813
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I don't know if I'm making sense but I love how we saw more and more of cowless Bruce with each movie. In BB, it was just his back. In TDK, he was just seating and the angle is more on his side. In TDKR, he was moving around.

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Cowless Bruce was pretty awesome, especially in TDKR.

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Old 12-23-2012, 10:45 PM   #815
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"Cowless" took me aback for a minute. "What, Bruce is missing a cow?"

Maybe it should be cowl-less.

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I was just watching Men in Black 1 again not too long ago, and I realized that there were some things in that film that I wouldn't have minded seeing being translated into this film given on how both that film and TDKR dealt with a veteran passing down his duties to a younger generation.

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Also, if the film had time, it would have been good to show a scene that dealt with Blake being pushed into the same abyss that Harvey was sent to, only for Blake to demonstrate that unlike Harvey, he was able to overcome it and not lose faith, therefore further showing Bruce that he wouldn't have another Two-Face scenario on his hands if Blake were to come across the same emotional turmoil as Gotham's new protector in the future.
No thanks, there's too much John Blake in this film as it is.


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You and me, both!! I'm sure we would've all wet our pants if we saw that. You would think Goyer the comic geek would've suggested it.

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after re-watching the trilogy today, without a doubt in my mind, bruce wayne's character arc is one of the single greatest main character arc's in film history.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:30 PM   #819
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I guess at one point, they toyed with the idea to show the brace when he's Batman... I'm glad it didn't happen. That's one way to tell the police where to aim.






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I don't think it would have mattered since they would have probably tried hitting batman with their guns instead of just shooting him with it.

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Old 12-29-2012, 10:39 PM   #821
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I don't think it would have mattered since they would have probably tried hitting batman with their guns instead of just shooting him with it.
Good point.

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Old 12-31-2012, 10:49 PM   #822
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You know what I wanted so desperately to see? Bruce talking to his parents at their grave. Like maybe after he got back from Gotham and before showing himself to Selina.
Something for the next reboot, along with the Riddler, the Penguin, Mr. Freeze, etc. (the Burton/Schumacher films never had such a scene either - about the closest to it was Keaton dropping the flowers in the alley; of course there was the one scene in Mask of the Phantasm).

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It can be a 'popular' or 'cool' thing to side with the finished article in the movie because that's all we know, but I really do prefer the EMP cannon used in the film. These designs look too 'machine gunny' to me, whereas the film design looks more primary use.

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Old 01-01-2013, 02:03 AM   #824
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Good point.

The different ideas for the EMP gun:






And... costume sketch of hermit Bruce.

Ah yes, the EMP Gun, much like Bane...was built to look great, only to be taken out with a sucker shot; Selina with Batpod at Bane and Random Rookie Cop and his small gun.lol

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I actually love that whole scene... Younger cop shoots the EMP gun, Bats gives him the BatGlare, younger cop gives an oh-**** "sorry", and then the older cop reprimands the younger cop. It was awesome.

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