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Old 07-20-2012, 03:51 AM   #126
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You know, even though Nolan gave this trilogy a "conclusion", in reality it would be impossible for Bruce Wayne to just move out to France and not be bombarded by the press and asked why he won't return to Gotham City...he's still a celebrity, after all... so any way you look at it, Bruce won't ever be able to truly escape Gotham... so the movie is still open-ended.

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Old 07-20-2012, 04:02 AM   #127
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I'm not sure how I felt about Batman's voice in this one. It's like Bale heard all the backlash about TDK and dialed it back too far. There was no gravel, no rasp to it anymore. It just sounded like Bruce Wayne talking an octave lower.

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Old 07-20-2012, 04:19 AM   #128
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Or just yelling.

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Old 07-20-2012, 04:21 AM   #129
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Or just yelling.
I did feel like rolling my eyes when he was yelling "Where's the detonator?!" at Bane.

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Old 07-20-2012, 04:23 AM   #130
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Yeah, it kinda bothered me, too.

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Yeah, he "beats" Bane at the city hall fight, but only by virtue of exploiting Bane's weakness. Fact is, if Bane didn't need the mask, Batman never could have beat him.
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What I liked about it is that he uses his brain to beat him. He goes for the mask and when Bane is whailing on him he just lives through it or dodges and keeps going for the mask

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Old 07-20-2012, 05:32 AM   #131
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Old 07-20-2012, 05:39 AM   #132
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I'm not sure how I felt about Batman's voice in this one. It's like Bale heard all the backlash about TDK and dialed it back too far. There was no gravel, no rasp to it anymore. It just sounded like Bruce Wayne talking an octave lower.
really? i thought it was more or less the same (maybe slightly more hushed) except Batman isn't as talky here as he was in TDK

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Old 07-20-2012, 09:10 AM   #133
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The anger...the yelling...it kind of both worked, and was incredibly silly at the same time.

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Old 07-20-2012, 08:10 PM   #134
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Bale was beyond awesome in this movie. So many great moments. I personally loved the "confrontation" scene with Alfred where he looked like he was about to cry as well as that scene in prison where he was watching the TV. He was heartbreaking in those scenes.

Loved how angry he was too during the fight scenes.


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Old 07-20-2012, 08:30 PM   #135
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I'm in the "more of the same" camp when it comes to the voice.

I literally had the exact same reaction I did when I watched TDK. Some scenes were the perfect balance of growl and talking, some scenes were a bit too growly but not unbearable, and some scenes were just silly.

A few of the lines were just as bad as the worst of what was in TDK ("This city just showed you..."). I didn't mind too much, because I've never had major issues with Bale's bat voice, but it certainly wasn't a huge improvement over TDK.

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But I would like to point out that in Batman's first scene, there was something about the way Bale carried himself that SCREAMED an older, more chiseled Batman. It was some of my favorite of his best work in the role, and it brought a huge smile to my face.

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Old 07-20-2012, 08:54 PM   #136
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I wonder if he really is hard to get along with or if everyone just thinks that because of his outburst. I mean everyone has a bad day, so I never thought much of it.
I remember reading somewhere that the writers of the Oscars played that Terminator outburst for Hugh Jackman (this was the year he hosted the show) in rehearsals, and they said Hugh looked so sad about it that they couldn't even laugh at it.

They also considered spoofing it in the show, but before they went forward with it, Hugh called Christian Bale first to make sure it was OK with him. Bale said it was fine, but they didn't go ahead with it.

They did a movie together, so I'm guessing they got along well if that that was his reaction to that whole thing.

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Old 07-20-2012, 08:57 PM   #137
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I mentioned this in another thread but anyone agree that bale looks like he was in his best shape since begins for this movie?

The really made him look frail in the early scenes but in those later scenes he looked pretty ripped.

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Old 07-20-2012, 09:00 PM   #138
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Yeah, it kinda bothered me, too.

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Yeah, he "beats" Bane at the city hall fight, but only by virtue of exploiting Bane's weakness. Fact is, if Bane didn't need the mask, Batman never could have beat him.
reminds me of the cartoon, every single time Bane Had Bruce dead to rights, he just snips the venom tube. Fight over go home.

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Old 07-20-2012, 09:00 PM   #139
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In this series Bruce Wayne is Batman for a grand total of no more than 18 months.

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I mentioned this in another thread but anyone agree that bale looks like he was in his best shape since begins for this movie?

The really made him look frail in the early scenes but in those later scenes he looked pretty ripped.
He did.


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In this series Bruce Wayne is Batman for a grand total of no more than 18 months.
I will forever find this depressing.

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I also have a problem with
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Parts of Bruce's ending feel
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Old 07-20-2012, 10:01 PM   #142
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Agreed.

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He did.




I will forever find this depressing.

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Do you really think the real bruce cares what the rep of the fake "Bruce" is? Not at all. The real bruce's rep is tied into how batman is now seen and i'm sure that's all he cares about.

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Sad but true.

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Do you really think the real bruce cares what the rep of the fake "Bruce" is? Not at all. The real bruce's rep is tied into how batman is now seen and i'm sure that's all he cares about.
No one really knew about the rep of the "real Bruce" outside of Gordon, Alfred, Fox, and Blake. I was thinking more of the Wayne Legacy.

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I've always been neutral before on whether I wanted Bruce to live or not during our speculations time but I gotta say that after watching the movie, I'm glad that...

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he survived and was with Selina. He's been through so much. And even if he lived, he still lost a lot of things. He's broke, he's not in great health anymore (with the knee thing and who knows what else), etc.

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I do feel that the Wayne Legacy was less than satisfyingly resolved.

Would much have preferred to have seen Bruce Wayne help inspire the wealthy and the regular citizens of Gotham, like his parents, to some kind of charitable end. The Wayne Foundation should have been more than an orphanage.

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Old 07-20-2012, 11:25 PM   #149
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I do feel that the Wayne Legacy was less than satisfyingly resolved.

Would much have preferred to have seen Bruce Wayne help inspire the wealthy and the regular citizens of Gotham, like his parents, to some kind of charitable end. The Wayne Foundation should have been more than an orphanage.
Oh yeah definitely. I kinda felt like the last memory of the Waynes were not as good as I had hoped.

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Bruce could have left his remaining money to charity but instead he gives it to Alfred who will probably spend the rest of it on nose candy and hookers to enjoy his remaining years.

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