Webbing formula - Part 1

[MSaleem]

Sorry for the confusion WW. That sucks PVA and Acetone. So all we have to do is get Cellulose Acetate, PVA, Polychloroprene, Acetone and Water, Spin it and there? Or did you mean Only spin PVA?

[MSaleem]

Jamiscus6 No, Polyvinyl Alcohol is only souluble in water, and I dont know about ethonol. But that is a good thing right? So it can go away if it rains! The thing is that Cellulose Acetate gets weak with water, when PVA needs water,

[spidey44]

PVA needs water what do you mean? PVA gets weak in water also.

[White_widow]

You kidding? That's a GREAT property. Think about it. Acetone allows dissolved PVA to congeal. In other words gel. Gel spinning.

Let's say for a second that when the solution freezes, the PVA hardens. If the PVA is a gel, and then spontaneously, it's freed from water from being frozen by the CO2, then the solution is solid until it's warm enough for the water to dissolve the PVA. I could be wrong on that, but you catch my point. Acetone plus PVA means easier solidification.

[MSaleem]

No Cellulose Acetate gets weak in water, unless both do

[MSaleem]

Gel Spinning great!

[White_widow]

I know that this is kind of hypocritical of me, but Sal, please try to keep your short posts together by editing them into your previous statements. You double and triple post a lot. I do it to, but for the most part it's because the posts are too long, the two posts are unrelated, or because at least an hour has past from my last post. That's just so that it's easier to keep up with.

[MSaleem]

Wait WW where is the CO2 coming from? I thought the bike pump was a better idea to everyone else?
Sorry I read your thing right after I posted,

[White_widow]

If you use a schrader valve, the CO2 or the bike pump can be used interchangeably.

[MSaleem]

What Adhesive are we using? Gorilla Glue?

EDIT WW - Are we using A glue or contact cement? Because you keep mentioning PVA.

[MarvelFan]

I started looking up polymers on youtube and found the classic elmer's slime or flubber. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIQpoka8 itshows that polymers are chains of molucules chaining together. they all require the same ingredient, borax, water, and elmer's glue. but they all have different reaction with what is added to it. i want to use the sugar, borax, elmer's, and water solution. just posting something i thought would be useful.

[jamisicus6]

Hang on, we were planning on having the PVA not in solution? I'm rather confused, what is actually extruded from the spinnerets? A Gel?

[MarvelFan]

sorry, i got the link wrong. it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIQpoka8FOk.

[spidey44]

White Widow instead of using acetone to congeal PVA how about using borax, I think it'll lessen the chance of a fire.( acetone and the heating coil)

[MSaleem]

Jamiscus6- The contact cement contains PVA, so I was wondering what adhesive we were using? Contact Cement, or PVA with an Adesive

Spidey44 - We could try electrospinning to lessen the chance of fire

[spidey44]

MSaleem not really because electrospinning uses high voltage and that could cause an electric arc.

[MSaleem]

Spidey44 - Sorry I mean't Gel Spinning, because the mixture according to WW should make a gel, if we use CO2

Hey just to get this clear, are we using contact cement, or are we using PVA with an adhesive (I prefer Gorrilla Glue)?

[jamisicus6]

I felt sure it was current that was responsible for arcing. Besides, Arcing is never going to occour, because the charge is being carried away by the flows

[nolder]

Originally Posted by White_widow

I know that this is kind of hypocritical of me, but Sal, please try to keep your short posts together by editing them into your previous statements. You double and triple post a lot. I do it to, but for the most part it's because the posts are too long, the two posts are unrelated, or because at least an hour has past from my last post. That's just so that it's easier to keep up with.

Thanks! I was about to say something haha

and thank you sal

[MSaleem]

Originally Posted by nolder

Thanks! I was about to say something haha

and thank you sal

What do you mean? I post the same thing twice or my posts should be longer?

[jamisicus6]

Funny story, I asked my chemistry teacher where I could buy all the chemicals this will need. She thinks I'm a bit mental (which at times isn't untrue) so she very cautiously asked me why. I thought it best to just say "Side Project" rather than "I'm making a material that, when spun into threads, will be strong enough to support a human body whilst it hurtles through the air on several parabolic trajectories"

[nolder]

Originally Posted by MSaleem

What do you mean? I post the same thing twice or my posts should be longer?

oh no I was thanking you for making an effort in editing your posts rather than posting twice. continue doing that please

[Bdude101]

Formula 1 :
POLYCHLORPORENE (OR POLYISOPRENE) + CONTACT CEMENT(I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED) + PVA + WATER + ACETONE + CELLULOSE ACETATE (MAYBE)

Formula 2 :
NYLON (NOT SURE WHICH KIND) + WATER + PVA

That's what I think it is if we are figuring out the solution.
I would also add guar gum to the top one.
If you want to check elsewhere go to http://realwebtech.webs.com/

[Bdude101]

I hope that the top one is strong enough to swing from.

[MSaleem]

Yeah, BDude pretty much got everything right, but polychloroprene is not the same as polyisoprene. Polychloroprene is also known more commonly as Neoprene