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Old 07-09-2012, 03:01 PM   #26
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Sorry for the confusion WW. That sucks PVA and Acetone. So all we have to do is get Cellulose Acetate, PVA, Polychloroprene, Acetone and Water, Spin it and there? Or did you mean Only spin PVA?

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Old 07-09-2012, 03:09 PM   #27
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Jamiscus6 No, Polyvinyl Alcohol is only souluble in water, and I dont know about ethonol. But that is a good thing right? So it can go away if it rains! The thing is that Cellulose Acetate gets weak with water, when PVA needs water,

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Old 07-09-2012, 03:20 PM   #28
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PVA needs water what do you mean? PVA gets weak in water also.

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Old 07-09-2012, 03:22 PM   #29
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You kidding? That's a GREAT property. Think about it. Acetone allows dissolved PVA to congeal. In other words gel. Gel spinning.

Let's say for a second that when the solution freezes, the PVA hardens. If the PVA is a gel, and then spontaneously, it's freed from water from being frozen by the CO2, then the solution is solid until it's warm enough for the water to dissolve the PVA. I could be wrong on that, but you catch my point. Acetone plus PVA means easier solidification.

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Old 07-09-2012, 03:23 PM   #30
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No Cellulose Acetate gets weak in water, unless both do

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Old 07-09-2012, 03:23 PM   #31
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Gel Spinning great!

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Old 07-09-2012, 03:30 PM   #32
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I know that this is kind of hypocritical of me, but Sal, please try to keep your short posts together by editing them into your previous statements. You double and triple post a lot. I do it to, but for the most part it's because the posts are too long, the two posts are unrelated, or because at least an hour has past from my last post. That's just so that it's easier to keep up with.

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Old 07-09-2012, 03:31 PM   #33
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Wait WW where is the CO2 coming from? I thought the bike pump was a better idea to everyone else?
Sorry I read your thing right after I posted,

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Old 07-09-2012, 03:33 PM   #34
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If you use a schrader valve, the CO2 or the bike pump can be used interchangeably.

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Old 07-09-2012, 04:02 PM   #35
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What Adhesive are we using? Gorilla Glue?

EDIT WW - Are we using A glue or contact cement? Because you keep mentioning PVA.


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Old 07-09-2012, 04:04 PM   #36
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I started looking up polymers on youtube and found the classic elmer's slime or flubber. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIQpoka8 itshows that polymers are chains of molucules chaining together. they all require the same ingredient, borax, water, and elmer's glue. but they all have different reaction with what is added to it. i want to use the sugar, borax, elmer's, and water solution. just posting something i thought would be useful.

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Old 07-09-2012, 04:12 PM   #37
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Hang on, we were planning on having the PVA not in solution? I'm rather confused, what is actually extruded from the spinnerets? A Gel?

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Old 07-09-2012, 04:18 PM   #38
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sorry, i got the link wrong. it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIQpoka8FOk.

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Old 07-09-2012, 04:18 PM   #39
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White Widow instead of using acetone to congeal PVA how about using borax, I think it'll lessen the chance of a fire.( acetone and the heating coil)

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Old 07-09-2012, 05:05 PM   #40
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Jamiscus6- The contact cement contains PVA, so I was wondering what adhesive we were using? Contact Cement, or PVA with an Adesive

Spidey44 - We could try electrospinning to lessen the chance of fire

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Old 07-09-2012, 05:13 PM   #41
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MSaleem not really because electrospinning uses high voltage and that could cause an electric arc.

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Old 07-09-2012, 05:16 PM   #42
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Spidey44 - Sorry I mean't Gel Spinning, because the mixture according to WW should make a gel, if we use CO2

Hey just to get this clear, are we using contact cement, or are we using PVA with an adhesive (I prefer Gorrilla Glue)?


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Old 07-09-2012, 05:16 PM   #43
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I felt sure it was current that was responsible for arcing. Besides, Arcing is never going to occour, because the charge is being carried away by the flows

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Old 07-09-2012, 05:26 PM   #44
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I know that this is kind of hypocritical of me, but Sal, please try to keep your short posts together by editing them into your previous statements. You double and triple post a lot. I do it to, but for the most part it's because the posts are too long, the two posts are unrelated, or because at least an hour has past from my last post. That's just so that it's easier to keep up with.
Thanks! I was about to say something haha

and thank you sal

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Old 07-09-2012, 05:33 PM   #45
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Thanks! I was about to say something haha

and thank you sal
What do you mean? I post the same thing twice or my posts should be longer?

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Old 07-09-2012, 05:38 PM   #46
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Funny story, I asked my chemistry teacher where I could buy all the chemicals this will need. She thinks I'm a bit mental (which at times isn't untrue) so she very cautiously asked me why. I thought it best to just say "Side Project" rather than "I'm making a material that, when spun into threads, will be strong enough to support a human body whilst it hurtles through the air on several parabolic trajectories"

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Old 07-09-2012, 05:41 PM   #47
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What do you mean? I post the same thing twice or my posts should be longer?
oh no I was thanking you for making an effort in editing your posts rather than posting twice. continue doing that please

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Old 07-09-2012, 06:51 PM   #48
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Formula 1 :
POLYCHLORPORENE (OR POLYISOPRENE) + CONTACT CEMENT(I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED) + PVA + WATER + ACETONE + CELLULOSE ACETATE (MAYBE)

Formula 2 :
NYLON (NOT SURE WHICH KIND) + WATER + PVA

That's what I think it is if we are figuring out the solution.
I would also add guar gum to the top one.
If you want to check elsewhere go to http://realwebtech.webs.com/

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Old 07-09-2012, 06:58 PM   #49
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I hope that the top one is strong enough to swing from.

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Old 07-09-2012, 07:27 PM   #50
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Yeah, BDude pretty much got everything right, but polychloroprene is not the same as polyisoprene. Polychloroprene is also known more commonly as Neoprene

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