So now we've seen both, which was the best? - Page 3

Smegger56 · 07-14-2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AF3619

hopefully it conclutes in the sequel like he has the guy traped about to kill him and then he remembers the "getting even" speech
from Uncle Ben and just brings him to the police

I think the hunt for the killer will interfere with his crime fighting. I think this will tear him up. When he has the chance to get the guy, he will have to drop it to do his main mission... or something like that.

WOW. That sounded horrible. But you get the idea lol

FigsNFilms · 07-14-2012, 03:58 PM

This reboot is like the exact oppisite of the effect Nolan's reboot of the Batman universe had on that franchise. Everything was damn near close to perfect in Nolan's execution and re-imagining ...

W/ the ASM ... I feel Raimi had the better tone, attitude and setting for a Spider-Man franchise ... but I definitely feel Webb had the more character centric story, and Garfield was the superior protagonist and makes the journey more engaging for the audience.

Hell, even in a film I saw just ten years ago ... and is essentially a remake, Garfield still made the film almost as fresh and engaging.

Emma Stone being a vastly superior actress and love interest as well. If you could make a melting pot of Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, and use Garfield's Peter Parker and Emma Stone's Gwen Stacy then you would have had the perfect Spider-Man film.

chaseter · 07-14-2012, 05:38 PM

Raimi. Webb had stronger leads but the script was awful and the movie was generic.

Dragon · 07-14-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OcStat

I'd have to disagree sir, especially your 2nd point. Spidey did not do "nothing" about Uncle Bens death.

If the criminal is on the loose then he did nothing. Let's note that in the source material and Raimi's film- in every retelling of the story Ben's killing is wrapped up. It's Webb's "clever" approach that causes problems.

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Originally Posted by Smegger56

I think the hunt for the killer will interfere with his crime fighting. I think this will tear him up. When he has the chance to get the guy, he will have to drop it to do his main mission... or something like that.

I thought catching a killer is crime fighting. Silly me.

spider-neil · 07-14-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

This reboot is like the exact oppisite of the effect Nolan's reboot of the Batman universe had on that franchise. Everything was damn near close to perfect in Nolan's execution and re-imagining ...

W/ the ASM ... I feel Raimi had the better tone, attitude and setting for a Spider-Man franchise ... but I definitely feel Webb had the more character centric story, and Garfield was the superior protagonist and makes the journey more engaging for the audience.

Hell, even in a film I saw just ten years ago ... and is essentially a remake, Garfield still made the film almost as fresh and engaging.

Emma Stone being a vastly superior actress and love interest as well. If you could make a melting pot of Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, and use Garfield's Peter Parker and Emma Stone's Gwen Stacy then you would have had the perfect Spider-Man film.

Completely disagree, I think the tone and setting for ASM is perfect. It feels like 'real life' but fantastic things are happening. When Peter is telling Stacy about the Lizard in the police station it seems wacky because it just so out of place and Stacy's come back line is priceless, in the Raimi universe Stacy would have been like 'yeah, what's your point?' because weird and wacky is common place and the tone and feel of this universe.

I'm excited to see the likes of Electro in this universe and if they were to tackle Venom (I hope not) it would at least fit. I've seen ASM twice now and the only place it falls short to the Raimi universe is the villian, they fix the villian and I think you'll have one of the best superhero movies ever on your hands.

FigsNFilms · 07-14-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by spider-neil

Completely disagree, I think the tone and setting for ASM is perfect. It feels like 'real life' but fantastic things are happening. When Peter is telling Stacy about the Lizard in the police station it seems wacky because it just so out of place and Stacy's come back line is priceless, in the Raimi universe Stacy would have been like 'yeah, what's your point?' because weird and wacky is common place and the tone and feel of this universe.

Spider-Man's world his inherently less believable and more quirky / eccentric ... so the more "real life" take on it makes less sense for Spider-Man and more sense for a character like Batman.

Most of Spider-Man's villains are so ridiculous, that a realistic setting makes things even cheesier. That's why there is such a battle for the soul of ASM. On one end it works, on the other it doesn't. It's realistic enough, and then a GIANT talking lizard enters the screen and things become wince enducingly bad.

OcStat · 07-14-2012, 06:09 PM

Yeah a giant talking Lizard in a movie where a teenager has super strength and can climb walls. It just breaks the realism!

Come on folks!

spider-neil · 07-14-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

Spider-Man's world his inherently less believable and more quirky / eccentric ... so the more "real life" take on it makes less sense for Spider-Man and more sense for a character like Batman.

Most of Spider-Man's villains are so ridiculous, that a realistic setting makes things even cheesier. That's why there is such a battle for the soul of ASM. On one end it works, on the other it doesn't. It's realistic enough, and then a GIANT talking lizard enters the screen and things become wince enducingly bad.

It's 'realistic' but still a hightend reality for instance the 3D display that Peter keys in his formula. The tone is more 'Avengers' than 'Batman'.

spider-neil · 07-14-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OcStat

Yeah a giant talking Lizard in a movie where a teenager has super strength and can climb walls. It just breaks the realism!

Come on folks!

El Payaso · 07-14-2012, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OcStat

Yeah a giant talking Lizard in a movie where a teenager has super strength and can climb walls. It just breaks the realism!

Come on folks!

But a couple of bad one-liners could fix that according or so I've heard.

Jexx · 07-14-2012, 06:12 PM

Yup, more Avengers than Batman in tone.

Which makes sense in a way.. I mean, if they plan to make deals with Disney/Marvel to have cameos.

FigsNFilms · 07-14-2012, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OcStat

Yeah a giant talking Lizard in a movie where a teenager has super strength and can climb walls. It just breaks the realism!

When the emphasis is on a more believable world and setting? Yes, I can suspend disbelief on one of those ...

The giant talking lizard is so cheesy it hurts.

FigsNFilms · 07-14-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jexx

Yup, more Avengers than Batman in tone.

Which is what Raimi's first two Spider-Man films were .. fun, fluff, eccentric and not all that serious and melodramatic.

AbsractPo3tic · 07-14-2012, 06:25 PM

I feel that both movies have their positives but I have to go with Amazing. The portrayal of spidey, the relationships between the principle characters, at least to me, was better written and more thought out and it had an emotional depth to me that the first one didn't have. It had a lot to say about Peter Parker and the idea of heroism. Love it

Jexx · 07-14-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

Which is what Raimi's first two Spider-Man films were .. fun, fluff, eccentric and not all that serious and melodramatic.

I was talking about ASM..

FigsNFilms · 07-14-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jexx

I was talking about ASM..

No, this film very clearly aimed to be more like Batman Begins in tone, and I don't think it fits naturally with the character.

Raimi's films are more in line with the Marvel Studio stuff. The tone fits the material better.

Smegger56 · 07-14-2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragon

If the criminal is on the loose then he did nothing. Let's note that in the source material and Raimi's film- in every retelling of the story Ben's killing is wrapped up. It's Webb's "clever" approach that causes problems.

I thought catching a killer is crime fighting. Silly me.

Nothing 'clever' about it. It's different. And I like this approach, alot.

Also, you missed the point. It is crime fighting, duh, but what if he sees the guy, has the chance to take him down, then something more pressing comes up. Like, I don't know, a massive explosion at a building. He has to decide now. Take Bens killer or save those precious seconds to save people from a burning building (though we've seen plenty of them in spidey lol).

Dragon · 07-14-2012, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Smegger56

Nothing 'clever' about it. It's different. And I like this approach, alot.

Also, you missed the point. It is crime fighting, duh, but what if he sees the guy, has the chance to take him down, then something more pressing comes up. Like, I don't know, a massive explosion at a building. He has to decide now. Take Bens killer or save those precious seconds to save people from a burning building (though we've seen plenty of them in spidey lol).

So, now to justify Webb's blunder you're making up ridiculous scenarios which will likely never happen?

But sure, I'll play- Spidey webs the burglar to a wall and goes to save the people in the building. Being superhuman has its perks.

The Joker · 07-14-2012, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jexx

Dragon, you call the film subpar as if it's fact.

I never get that impression from Dragon. He always backs up his opinions, too. He doesn't just say something and then leave it at that.

OcStat · 07-14-2012, 08:23 PM

Yeah a giant talking Lizard in a movie where a teenager has super strength and can climb walls. It just breaks the realism!

Come on folks!

El Payaso · 07-14-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OcStat

Yeah a giant talking Lizard in a movie where a teenager has super strength and can climb walls. It just breaks the realism!

Come on folks!

The Lizard is taking it too far!

PSYLENTGuardian · 07-14-2012, 08:32 PM

While I liked ASM, I still need a sequel to give a proper comparison. I can do my best to pick which origin I liked better, but I'm giving a chance to see how the story of Peter Parker picks up from Webb's first.

Jexx · 07-14-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

No, this film very clearly aimed to be more like Batman Begins in tone, and I don't think it fits naturally with the character.

Raimi's films are more in line with the Marvel Studio stuff. The tone fits the material better.

Eh.. whatever.

You can have your own opinions, I personally think ASM is more like the MCU than the Nolan Batman-verse.

Jexx · 07-14-2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Joker

I never get that impression from Dragon. He always backs up his opinions, too. He doesn't just say something and then leave it at that.

I always get that impression..

I dunno, I'm a new guy, I haven't really read anyone enough to know how they operate outside of a very recently released 'The Amazing Spider-Man'.

Smegger56 · 07-14-2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragon

So, now to justify Webb's blunder you're making up ridiculous scenarios which will likely never happen?

But sure, I'll play- Spidey webs the burglar to a wall and goes to save the people in the building. Being superhuman has its perks.

Errr, nooo. What I have done is taken a plot point that excited me and played out an idea we could see, like we do with sequels if I'm correct. We discuss what we could see in the sequel that may carry over from he first.

That was some desperate attack there Dragon. But please, go on.

Can I ask does anyone else not do this? You know, talk about sequels and what we may see or like to see?

View Poll Results: Which was the best?
Raimi's Spider-man	87	33.98%
Webb's Amazing Spider-man	129	50.39%
I don't want to compare them	22	8.59%
They are equal	18	7.03%
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07-14-2012, 03:58 PM	#52
FigsNFilms Banned User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 102	Re: So now we've seen both, which was the best? This reboot is like the exact oppisite of the effect Nolan's reboot of the Batman universe had on that franchise. Everything was damn near close to perfect in Nolan's execution and re-imagining ... W/ the ASM ... I feel Raimi had the better tone, attitude and setting for a Spider-Man franchise ... but I definitely feel Webb had the more character centric story, and Garfield was the superior protagonist and makes the journey more engaging for the audience. Hell, even in a film I saw just ten years ago ... and is essentially a remake, Garfield still made the film almost as fresh and engaging. Emma Stone being a vastly superior actress and love interest as well. If you could make a melting pot of Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, and use Garfield's Peter Parker and Emma Stone's Gwen Stacy then you would have had the perfect Spider-Man film.

07-14-2012, 05:38 PM	#53
chaseter Bland User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 41,456	Re: So now we've seen both, which was the best? Raimi. Webb had stronger leads but the script was awful and the movie was generic. __________________ Kid, you're holding up the line of 2 people. You can leave a penny, you can't take a penny. You can leave a penny anytime. You have to spend $10 to take a penny. Store policy. Since when has this been store policy? Uh, since my boss made up the policy. You gonna pay? You're holding up my line of one other person. You can't afford your milk, step aside. What, daddy didn't give you enough milk money? Little baby gonna cry about it? Just step aside. And that is how Uncle Ben dies.

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OcStat Side-Kick Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Flagstaff AZ Posts: 288	Re: So now we've seen both, which was the best? Yeah a giant talking Lizard in a movie where a teenager has super strength and can climb walls. It just breaks the realism! Come on folks!

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Jexx the Emerald Eagle Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Manhattan, New York City Posts: 1,659	Re: So now we've seen both, which was the best? Yup, more Avengers than Batman in tone. Which makes sense in a way.. I mean, if they plan to make deals with Disney/Marvel to have cameos.

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AbsractPo3tic Marky McFly Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: insert negative stereotype Posts: 2,732	Re: So now we've seen both, which was the best? I feel that both movies have their positives but I have to go with Amazing. The portrayal of spidey, the relationships between the principle characters, at least to me, was better written and more thought out and it had an emotional depth to me that the first one didn't have. It had a lot to say about Peter Parker and the idea of heroism. Love it __________________ You can catch me, skating through your town putting it down no relating, no waiting I'll make your block infrared hot I'm like Satan -Jay-Z "Politics As Usual"

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OcStat Side-Kick Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Flagstaff AZ Posts: 288	Re: So now we've seen both, which was the best? Yeah a giant talking Lizard in a movie where a teenager has super strength and can climb walls. It just breaks the realism! Come on folks!

07-14-2012, 08:32 PM	#72
PSYLENTGuardian (500) Days Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: 강남구 Posts: 2,430	Re: So now we've seen both, which was the best? While I liked ASM, I still need a sequel to give a proper comparison. I can do my best to pick which origin I liked better, but I'm giving a chance to see how the story of Peter Parker picks up from Webb's first. __________________ WONGFU4LIFE "I'm developing an algorithm to define the connection between Jewish guys and Asian girls." "Screws fall out all the time; the world is an imperfect place."

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