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Old 08-11-2012, 09:09 AM   #226
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i'm curious to see what that defunct JLA-batman suit was. Hammer said it was stylized and had like leather pouches and stuff. I kinda like the sound of that.

i've always liked when the pouches on his belt look like actual pouches. Nolan's Batman totally skipped that aspect.

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Sounds good.

I always thought Nolan's belt was out of place for his Batman.

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Thank you. Coming up with a cool looking costume is a snap. Coming up with a costume that helps tell a story is much more challenging. At this point, Nolan explained the armor so well that a new film would have to explain why not using lightweight armor is better.
The comics have explained this for years. The costume is a lightweight, flexible armor, complete with plates, mail, and various other high-tech components. Which is basically what the suit was described as in BATMAN BEGINS: a lightweight, flexible armor, until they kind of arbitrarily decided they needed to say it wasn't good enough so Nolan could go with his new plates design and let Batman turn his head.

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But when you looked at Bale in Begins, the costume seemed heavy and restrictive, no matter what explanations they gave by saying it was flexible, lightweight whatever.

TDK and TDKR costume sort of erased that problem, but just made things look ugly in the process.

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With the advancements of bodysuits in this day in age I think that's the direction they should go in and no one would be the wiser.

The next actor portraying Bruce Wayne should definitely be in great shape there's no doubt there, but I think the Batman suit should use a mold of the actors body and then have the designers amplify the existing muscularity of the actor through the costumes mold so it can stand out against the "cloth" material over the bodysuit.

Snyder and Ridley Scott have done wonders in that area. Look at the new MOS costume it's not merely just a suit but a bodysuit that has a molding of Cavill's body so the material of the suit doesn't dilute or cover up the muscularity like the Returns suit did.



The next Batman suit should take the same approach in mind (not saying the texture should be emulated but rather the bodysuit approach). When people think body suits they still think of the clunky & unreal stuff they used back in the day. That's just simply not the case anymore.

I think the MOS and the Prometheus Engineer bodysuits have shown that they're flexible and don't weigh as much as the hard plastic used for the Batman films.

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They really can do wonders nowadays with body suits. Did the Engineer ever look immobile for anyone? It had a wide range of fluid movement in comparison to both the Batman costumes used in Nolan series.

I can't reiterate enough how much I want the next director to take this approach for the next Batman suit.

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TDK and TDKR costume sort of erased that problem, but just made things look ugly in the process.
No it didn't, because he moved fine. Because that's what it was supposed to allow him to do. Look at the combat sequences with the ninjas at the end of the film. If anything, he moved faster and with more range of motion in BEGINS than he did in TDK.

The suit doesn't really seem any less heavy and restrictive in TDK, even if it is a bit lighter. Anyone who says that the costume in TDK actually appeared to allow him to move faster or with more flexibility than he did in BEGINS (other than the neck) is pretty much in denial about what's actually onscreen.

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Old 08-11-2012, 11:54 AM   #233
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No it didn't, because he moved fine. Because that's what it was supposed to allow him to do. Look at the combat sequences with the ninjas at the end of the film. If anything, he moved faster and with more range of motion in BEGINS than he did in TDK.

The suit doesn't really seem any less heavy and restrictive in TDK, even if it is a bit lighter. Anyone who says that the costume in TDK actually appeared to allow him to move faster or with more flexibility than he did in BEGINS (other than the neck) is pretty much in denial about what's actually onscreen.
LOL when I think about it, yeah!

He's got a bulkier suit in BB and moves faster with that than he does with a smaller suit later on

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That's because the TDK suit was heavier. Bale said that in one of his interviews.

As much as I enjoyed both of the costumes in the Nolan series (Begins moreso) that's still the absolutely wrong approach for Batman. There are other methods that are far more suiting for Batman both visually and mobility wise and I hope the next director exercises these opportunities.

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Heavier? It didn't look like it was. But with all the plates and stuff, I imagine yes it would be.

And I agree. It's just the wrong approach for the movie itself and the actor playing Batman. They need to sort it out.

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Heavier? It didn't look like it was. But with all the plates and stuff, I imagine yes it would be.

And I agree. It's just the wrong approach for the movie itself and the actor playing Batman. They need to sort it out.
It is heavier. Lindy Hemming even said so.

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They need to make a lighter suit for the next actor.

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What about in the first movie, Bruce can develop a cloth-based suit, and as the series progresses, he can add and tweak it. That way, we can get a more traditional Batman suit and then go back to the more logical armor suit later. I mean, in the beginning all Bruce thinks is he's going to do mop up some street thugs and the occasional mobster. You don't need battle armor for that. But as his foes get more professional and dangerous he adjusts the suit accordingly.


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Or he can further develop the technology behind the fabric suit to make it every bit as effective as armor. You're essentially saying we should regress right after we make progress.

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I just don't want it to be all-black. I know he's the Dark Knight, but can we work in some grays? Maybe a little bit of blue?

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Grey and blue work better as urban stealth colors than all black actually.

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And as I said before, this mentality of making Batman look like the big, black bat is getting tiresome now.

He's just a guy who wears a costume based very, very loosely on a bat. Grey, blue are not colors of a Bat...it's either brown or black, both...

Grey and blue. Artists drew him those colors cause those colors stand out better when drawn, they tried black, and it looks awful...

Then it payed off when it turned out grey and blue are the best colors for stealth in an urban enviroment...that was mentioned in the comic. Along with the explantion that once Batman is spotted, his colors confuse the mind of a shooter, they try to shoot either the grey, or the blue. And bring back the yellow insignia too with that, helps as well.

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Gray I wanna see. Blue I don't really care about.

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...Grey and blue. Artists drew him those colors cause those colors stand out better when drawn, they tried black, and it looks awful...
You think a black and gray Batman looks awful?

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Yeah, blue and gray might make for better urban camo...if it was camo.

A blue cape and a gray bodysuit is not "camo".

And The Batsuit isn't about not being seen. Its about the effect it has when it IS seen.

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Gray I wanna see. Blue I don't really care about.



You think a black and gray Batman looks awful?



What would they be confused about?



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Black or dark blue is fine with me.

No. An all black suit is awful when drawn and coloured IMO.

Well isn't the yellow the insignia supposed to draw fire at Batman's chest? Yellow symbol, blue or black cape and grey suit would confuse anybody when shooting at him.

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No. An all black suit is awful when drawn and coloured IMO.
Oh, okay, I thought you meant a black and gray suit.

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What's there to be confused about? The yellow insignia is there to draw gunfire to his chest, yes, but the colors aren't there to confuse anyone because they won't confuse anyone.

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Yeah, blue and gray might make for better urban camo...if it was camo.

A blue cape and a gray bodysuit is not "camo".

And The Batsuit isn't about not being seen. Its about the effect it has when it IS seen.
Well, I'm just saying what I read in the comics.

Drawing the costume in the comics with those colors is one thing, because it helps Batman stand out on the panel, but try and convince WB to go along with it. Those who want realistic and plausible explanations for almost EVERYTHING nowadays.

Batman's mythic fear effect wore off after awhile, nobody's really scared of what he looks like anymore, they're just scared off having their asses handed to them.

And would the GA buy seeing a criminal cower in fear over seeing a live action Batman wearing his comic costume? They've had black for over 20 years...and even with the Batnipples on Kilmer, he still made criminals run, which is understandable.

WB would be taking big big leaps with dramatic changes. They'll be thinking could it work? would it work? And the way they handle things currently, I wouldn't hold my breath.

But the only reason I think the costume will go with the comic colors is because of the JL movie. But I'm 60-40 on that.

That mentality has to and needs to change.

I don't know what the future will hold with the costume, but I just hope it makes us all satisfied.

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What's there to be confused about? The yellow insignia is there to draw gunfire to his chest, yes, but the colors aren't there to confuse anyone because they won't confuse anyone.
Nope, all black is awful

I guess I'm speaking about Batman leaping about from gunfire. They see this all black figure, they're going to shoot at it. But if they see two separate colors whooshing around, they'll be in two minds where to aim at, and the yellow insignia would add to that confusion as well.

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I guess I'm speaking about Batman leaping about from gunfire. They see this all black figure, they're going to shoot at it. But if they see two separate colors whooshing around, they'll be in two minds where to aim at, and the yellow insignia would add to that confusion as well.
They're going to shoot at whatever's leaping about. The colors aren't going to confuse anybody.

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But there's an advantage in there somewhere.

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