The Deadliest Woman in the Galaxy: The Gamora Thread

[Chewy]

Ah yes, this reasoning again.

"Movies that didn't make a lot of money can never have any aspect of them spoken about in any positive light ever. Even costuming and supporting cast members. Sweep it all under the rug and pretend there are zero good ideas present. Kay? Kay."

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by Joeyjojo72

Not gonna happen. She will have clothes, not strips of fabric. Also, she wont have primitive tribal duds either. Believe me, I would love to see Rosario Dawson (my personal pick) in that outfit from the comics, but its not in the cards. At least for the bulk of the film.

How 'bout you admit you don't have any more idea what Gamora will wind up looking like than any of the rest of us do? As pointed out above, if Romijn and J-Law can wander through no less than four movies buck naked except for blue body paint and strategically-placed scales, and Emma Frost can lounge around in her 60s lingerie, then there's no reason to doubt that Gamora will dress up like an Orion slave girl, as God and Stan Lee intended.

[chronos]

While I am aware that it is subject to change, I would have to say that the concept art gives us a good indication of where they are heading, at least costume wise. I for one have no problem at all with Gamora's costume. I would compare it to Sif's costume from "Thor". Not an exact translation from the comics, but a really good adaptation. I feel it gives her more of a warrior vibe, and less of a stripper with sword look, which is what everyone will be saying if you go with the straight comics attire. The less accusations of sexism comics and comicbook movies can get the better.

[Joeyjojo72]

precisely. Beyond that artwork, I have no idea what her costuming will be like. I just know she wont be spending the majority of the movie in the equivalent of a skimpy bathing suit. That doesnt mean she wont be sexy or that she wont be showing some skin, but the above outfit would be way over the top in a live action movie of this kind.

They want to shoot some semi nude scenes for the unrated blu ray, I wont complain.

[Silvermoth]

Look, it's not even an issue. Marvel have shown what they're aiming for with the concept art...



Note that she's actually wearing clothes. People hoping for Gamora to fight in a string bikini and paint are going to be dissapointed. It's for the best.

Just watch porn if you want to see women true to Gamora's comic book origin.

[cherokeesam]

Just a bit of a reality check here: concept art rarely resembles finished product. Like....ever.

Yes, I agree that, most likely, MS will opt to go conservative on Gamora's costume; but I'm just saying there's some instances in the comics where the superheroine *shouldn't* dress like a hooker, and certain instances where they *should,* or at least choose to. And I'm saying that in Gamora's case, the sexy costume fits the character....i.e., she chooses to be sexy, and it's part of her "toolkit." So to cover up goes against not only canon, but character.

[Nathan]

Strings of close aren't practical if you're doing action scenes. Wardrobe malfunctions are pre-programed, unless you glue the fabric to your nipples.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Jake Cassidy

Mystique was, practically, naked and no-one cared.

Romijn had those blue rubbery scales glued to her practically head to toe. Her midriff and parts of her arms and legs were all that was actually exposed.

[KangConquers]

I love how this thread was languishing until I brought up the costume argument, now it's got one of the highest post counts on the Guardians board.

[Joeyjojo72]

Hey this is serious business.

[Joeyjojo72]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Ah yes, this reasoning again.

"Movies that didn't make a lot of money can never have any aspect of them spoken about in any positive light ever. Even costuming and supporting cast members. Sweep it all under the rug and pretend there are zero good ideas present. Kay? Kay."

My point was that , whether you like it or not, JC and all its "good ideas" will indeed be swept under the rug by Disney. Even the good stuff, fair or not, is tainted by association, and wont be used by other films in the genre anytime soon for fear of being compared to this mediocre bomb.

Its a free country of course, but expect a similar response every time you speak positively about a movie that many many people consider to be a dull, middling failure. Btw this includes people who are generally fans of scifi/fantasy/Howard/Stanton etc.

[Chewy]

And my point was that you're wrong. You know how many of your favorite actors have, at one point or another, starred in a critical and financial failure? All of them. Unless the movie was sold on their name, which JC was for Kitsch and was not for everyone else, it won't even really be a blip on the radar. Do you remember Kiss Kiss Bang Bang bombing right before Marvel hired RDJ? Do you remember The Losers bombing right before Marvel hired Chris Evans? Do you remember when Timothy Olyphant, who I believe is your choice for Star-Lord, was the star of the hilariously dreadful Hitman? Actors move on, and they get other roles.

And, anyway, the point I was making with the costume was it being an example of an actress showing some skin, with it being done in a tasteful, rather than exploitative, manner. It really had nothing to do with JC specifically.

[Joeyjojo72]

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was a good movie. The Losers was a fun, competently made actioner that ultimately failed to adequately distinguish itself. Box office success can be elusive, and a movie that doesnt make money can still be a springboard/showcase for talented artists.

JC was a bad movie, with bland lead performances, terrible pacing issues, and derivative characters and story. The best parts of that movie, the actual "good" stuff, has been done before, and much better. It deserved to bomb. Obviously you disagree, but this is the consensus.

Perhaps some day, far into the future, certain aspects of JC will be used as inspiration for future films. I have no idea why, given that the best parts werent particulary original in the first place, but its certainly possible. But that day isnt today, or next month, or next year. And thank god, because theres nothing from JC that I want to see in a Marvel/GotG movie, including the director/actors/art/story/costumes. (That said, I am a huge fan of Stanton's Pixar work. Unfortunately, he's no Brad Bird)

If the folks involved in GotG want to take inspiration from Burroughs work, thats great. Plenty of comic writers "borrowed" stuff from Burroughs and Robert Howard and other adventure writers, but theres no upside to mining the corpse of JC while the stench still remains.

On topic: The casting for this movie is rumored to begin next week, so the lobbying for Patton/Dawson/??? begins now.

[Chewy]

I love how you keep insisting that your opinion is the consensus. One of the more fruitless discussions I've had on SHH

Anyway, why would a movie that doesn't have a director yet be casting?

[KangConquers]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I love how you keep insisting that your opinion is the consensus. One of the more fruitless discussions I've had on SHH

Anyway, why would a movie that doesn't have a director yet be casting?

Way to just derail my thread...jerk...of course no one's casting yet. *shakes fist in righteous anger*

[Chewy]

Sorry, I'll rerail it

So, Gamora's wearing pants in the concept art. Discuss.

[KangConquers]

Apparently.

So what story arc does everyone want to see Gamora have? I kind of like the idea that she's a plant on the team, being Thanos's daughter/ personal assassin, who's conscience gets the best of her, resulting in her going from a spy to a real member.

[Joeyjojo72]

I did say it was a rumor.

Sorry for coming of as jerky. Ill check back when there are more than a handful of voices in here. Six months should do it.

Have fun.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Originally Posted by Joeyjojo72

JC was a bad movie, with bland lead performances, terrible pacing issues, and derivative characters and story. The best parts of that movie, the actual "good" stuff, has been done before, and much better. It deserved to bomb. Obviously you disagree, but this is the consensus.

Actually the consensus is "While John Carter looks terrific and delivers its share of pulpy thrills, it also suffers from uneven pacing and occasionally incomprehensible plotting and characterization."
and 63% of the audience liked it. Not to mention most people who initially saw the movie said they loved it.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by KangConquers

Apparently.

So what story arc does everyone want to see Gamora have? I kind of like the idea that she's a plant on the team, being Thanos's daughter/ personal assassin, who's conscience gets the best of her, resulting in her going from a spy to a real member.

TERRIBLE idea! They've already got one plant on the team: Groot. Having another plant/tree/vegetable/fruit would make Groot superfluous.

[KangConquers]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

TERRIBLE idea! They've already got one plant on the team: Groot. Having another plant/tree/vegetable/fruit would make Groot superfluous.

[chronos]

Ha! "Plant". Anyway, if you are going to go with the backstory of her being Thanos's assassin, I'd rather her role be more of an atoner looking for revenge on Thanos for making her kill so many innocents. Also I asked this in another thread, but I'll bring it up here, too. Does anybody think that they'll transplant the storyline of her being Nova's bang-buddy to Star-lord?

[Captain Marvel]

I quite literally burst out laughing. Thank you, sir.

[KangConquers]

Originally Posted by chronos

Ha! "Plant". Anyway, if you are going to go with the backstory of her being Thanos's assassin, I'd rather her role be more of an atoner looking for revenge on Thanos for making her kill so many innocents.

The atonement story is nice, but it's a little less active in my opinion. It's more tell than show, which runs contrary to good story telling technique. Showing Gamora losing her nerve, realizing her father's corruption, etc would make for more compelling cinema than flashbacks or long winded speeches about all the wrong she's done in her past.

Also I asked this in another thread, but I'll bring it up here, too. Does anybody think that they'll transplant the storyline of her being Nova's bang-buddy to Star-lord?

Gamora has to be sleeping with someone. Quill fits the bill.

[Captain Marvel]

Who says he has to be sleeping with anyone? Black Widow wasn't sleeping with anyone in the Avengers.