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[TheGuy]

I enjoy watching TDKR more than TDK. Probably because I prefer character driven pieces and epic storytelling. It and Inception. I still consider TDK better than TDKR though.

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by Lord

The Dark Knight is the best one, and i'm sure it will age well

I'm sure it will, too: http://www.empireonline.com/features...-knight-effect

[JackWhite]

TDK and BB never get old for me. I'm kinda leaning at those being the number 1 and number 2 of the trilogy. But whenever I watch TDKR I start to second guess the number 2 spot. Bruce's arc is just so damn rich and triumphant in TDKR. The pit scenes are also some of my favorite scenes from the whole trilogy. When I watch all three again, then I will finally have a stance for how I order the films....I hope, lol.

[JackWhite]

Originally Posted by The Joker

I'm sure it will, too: http://www.empireonline.com/features...-knight-effect

That article is very cool.

I'm really curious to how TDKR will age. On one hand, aesthetically, you can argue it's the best looking/shot film of the trilogy; and that's saying a lot. So I doubt it will have the Spider-Man 2002 syndrome of looking dated 5-10 years from now. But with how polarizing the film is, I'm wondering what it's legacy will be in time; quality wise.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by JackWhite

That article is very cool.

I'm really curious to how TDKR will age. On one hand, aesthetically, you can argue it's the best looking/shot film of the trilogy; and that's saying a lot. So I doubt it will have the Spider-Man 2002 syndrome of looking dated 5-10 years from now. But with how polarizing the film is, I'm wondering what it's legacy will be in time; quality wise.

Love the Empire article. I wonder if there have been any articles about the impact of BB or TDKR.

[JackWhite]

Originally Posted by Ryan

Love the Empire article. I wonder if there have been any articles about the impact of BB or TDKR.

Yeah, BB has been given a lot more credit these past few years, but it definitely deserves a writeup like the article the Joker linked to. I mean, BB pretty much invented the reboot for crying out loud!

[BatLobsterRises]

I think TDKR has a lot of potential to age like a fine wine. Especially when enough time passes that there is true nostalgia for the Nolan era. I imagine it'll be considered underrated in the future, but it'll have its vehement detractors too.

Might be Nolan's Batman Returns in that sense.

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by CConn

I agree entirely.

I was always disappointed in BB for that reason. Reading the BB script, it really plays out as this really epic and expansive story...but Nolan just wasn't able to properly translate that large scope onto the screen.

I think one of the reasons how Batman Begins loss that epic toll that TDK and TDKR possesses is that the Narrows was all filmed on a stage and it wasn't a real place. When a film does this, it takes away the feeling of something spectacular when you know about it.

When the film first started, it felt like it would have such when Bruce was in an entirely different region from Gotham City.

Originally Posted by Ryan

Love the Empire article. I wonder if there have been any articles about the impact of BB or TDKR.

If you look, you'll find many articles on the impact of Batman Begins and how the film being a reboot made an impact that inspired everything from Casino Royal to Sherlock Holmes. You can even include the new series of Arrow(which I'm a huge fan of by the way).

But as for TDKR, I can't really see that film giving any kind of "impact" except for its massive scope. It's a film that has some finality that I don't see giving much inspiration since it's such a film that gives this finality to a series.

And I love how there are Marvel guys that have really enjoyed films like TDK(Kevin Feige for example) and TDKR(Mark Millar...not too sure if Feige has said anything about TDKR yet).

Originally Posted by BatLobsterRises

I think TDKR has a lot of potential to age like a fine wine. Especially when enough time passes that there is true nostalgia for the Nolan era. I imagine it'll be considered underrated in the future, but it'll have its vehement detractors too.

Might be Nolan's Batman Returns in that sense.

I really think TDKR will age VERY well too. There are some nitpicks, but I feel they are brought up more simply because TDKR and TDK gets compared and yet TDK's plot holes never do get brought up as much. When people realize that it's silly and unnecessary to compare the two films side by side and just see the trilogy as a whole on what it is, I can see how TDKR will only look better.

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by JackWhite

That article is very cool.

It is. It doesn't even encompass all of the comments directors have said about TDK. Like Sam Raimi; http://www.cleveland.com/movies/inde...says_dark.html

Then there's Sam Mendes and his Skyfall one; http://collider.com/sam-mendes-skyfa...knight/204523/

I mean TDK really came a long way in such a short space of time. Begins kick started the reboot craze. A couple of them even used it as a template for their movie structure.

[AnneFan]

Originally Posted by The Joker

I mean TDK really came a long way in such a short space of time. Begins kick started the reboot craze. A couple of them even used it as a template for their movie structure.

Agreed there. Thinking about it, it's not a new plot device, but TDKR's legacy may be taking the hero and really putting them under stress to see what they're made of. Iron Man 3 will tackle this, with his hideout destroyed and Tony's back really up against the wall. Skyfall had Bond bearded and choosing to come back to active duty after a few months away for example.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by JackWhite

Yeah, BB has been given a lot more credit these past few years, but it definitely deserves a writeup like the article the Joker linked to. I mean, BB pretty much invented the reboot for crying out loud!

I thought I did remember reading how BB not only rebooted the franchise, but was also being pointed to as the template of how to do a reboot right. I could be wrong, but I thought a lot of other film franchises looked to BB as inspiration. Would love to find some articles though. Its great, and deservedly so that TDK got so much love from others in the industry. Clearly Skyfall was influenced by TDK and I believe the director admitted as much. I don't know that I"ve read anything about TDKR however, and I do fear it will not age well with time as the first 2 films, at least in terms of influence.

[BatLobsterRises]

Exactly what other films has TDK influenced, besides Skyfall? The only thing I can think of is Iron Man 2, the scene where Tony has a face to face with Vanko in prison and then shortly after Vanko escapes. TDK had a massive cultural impact, but it's hard to pinpoint how many films its influenced at this point. It certainly hasn't influenced the comic book genre much, since Marvel's approach is pretty much a 180 from TDK.

[CConn]

It can take some time for a movie's influence to really become evident.

TASM was heavily based off of BB, and that took a whole 7 years to pop up.

[CConn]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

I think one of the reasons how Batman Begins loss that epic toll that TDK and TDKR possesses is that the Narrows was all filmed on a stage and it wasn't a real place. When a film does this, it takes away the feeling of something spectacular when you know about it.

When the film first started, it felt like it would have such when Bruce was in an entirely different region from Gotham City.

I agree, but its more expansive than that too. Christopher Nolan's direction and visual scope was pretty limited/claustrophobic until TDK in general.

[BatLobsterRises]

I agree, we need more time in general to see just how wide the influence of all the films are. In fact I think the influence of the movies will probably not even be at its highest until the next generation of directors (who were kids/teens when these movies came out) start making their own films.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by CConn

It can take some time for a movie's influence to really become evident.

TASM was heavily based off of BB, and that took a whole 7 years to pop up.

True. Its amazing how much impact bb and tdk had had.

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by Ryan

I don't know that I"ve read anything about TDKR however, and I do fear it will not age well with time as the first 2 films, at least in terms of influence.

Aging and influencing other films do not go hand in hand.

Spider-Man 2 hasn't aged that much over the years but it hasn't really influenced any other film.

And as I already mentioned earlier in this thread, could TDKR really influence that much anyways except for its massive scope and epic feel, or giving the hero its finality that TDKR gave the viewers? I don't think I can really count 'ending' films as giving any other film much influence or impact.

[Ryan]

Going forward it will be quite a task for whomever tackles the next series. It'll be hard to top the influence of BB and TDK for sure. Nolan definately gave us films that will "endure".

[Anno_Domini]

Nolan gave us a trilogy to endure.

And the next director doesn't need to make a film that can influence as much as BB or TDK. When you think like that, no wonder you think it will be a tasked job for the next director.

[CConn]

Eh, it's not that hard. Technically two of the three Batman movie directors we've had were able to make films that had tremendous cultural and artistic significance.

[Excelsior.]

TDk's influence is finally being felt with Skyfall and JJ namedropping it as an influence for Star Trek 2. Before that it was all Begins doing the influencing.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by Excelsior.

TDk's influence is finally being felt with Skyfall and JJ namedropping it as an influence for Star Trek 2. Before that it was all Begins doing the influencing.

So true. BB and TDK continue to be trend setters. I have to admit I'm really looking forward to Man of Steel. Haven't been this excited for a film since TDK.

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by CConn

Eh, it's not that hard. Technically two of the three Batman movie directors we've had were able to make films that had tremendous cultural and artistic significance.

I agree it's not too hard, but I don't think a director needs to make a film that will impact other films, such as BB and TDK. Look at '89 Batman, it made a very cultural impact, but it didn't influence other films. The next director could do just the same.

Originally Posted by Excelsior.

TDk's influence is finally being felt with Skyfall and JJ namedropping it as an influence for Star Trek 2. Before that it was all Begins doing the influencing.

Oh, I'm sure TDK will be namedropped later on. Wouldn't be surprised if it's mentioned by Webb even regarding his The Amazing Spider-Man sequel.

But, I still don't think TDKR will be dropped at all unless someone wants to give some finality to a character or regarding the film's massive scope.

[ThePhantasm]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

I agree it's not too hard, but I don't think a director needs to make a film that will impact other films, such as BB and TDK. Look at '89 Batman, it made a very cultural impact, but it didn't influence other films. The next director could do just the same.

I think it did. There are lots and lots of examples, but look at all the dark films that were released in its wake. Sure, many were flops (Alec Baldwin's The Shadow comes to mind) but the mimickry was certainly there.

On top of that, it influenced how films are marketed. It opened the way for darker superhero films as well.

[Anno_Domini]

The Shadow was meant to be "dark", though, I'd say.