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View Poll Results: Which is the best?
Batman Begins (2005) 64 18.50%
The Dark Knight (2008) 145 41.91%
The Dark Knight Rises (2012) 137 39.60%
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Old 07-29-2012, 04:07 PM   #151
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It's been said TDKR is all about 'Pain and Suffering' and also 'Hope'.
Interpret it any way you like, but I would have to say that pain is pretty anti-climatic after chaos.

Scarecrow and Ra's wanted to spread fear through Gotham, The Joker wanted to create chaos and Bane wanted to destroy Gotham with a nuclear bomb.


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Old 07-29-2012, 04:07 PM   #152
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With TDKR it is PAIN.

Many characters are dealing with physical (and emotional) injuries old and new.

Gordan is physically injured and facing the emotional open wound of an honest man keeping a lie alive.

Bane embodies pain: he delivers it and has to manage his own with his mask.

Bruce/Batman is facing emotional and physical pain, past and present...he ultimately reconciles his pain, ending Batman, and we see him renewed moments before the credits.

IMO, TDKR has a theme of PAIN.

And in the context of the film and Bruce's journey, for me at least, it is quite appropriate and climatic.


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Old 07-29-2012, 04:45 PM   #153
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Default Re: Fear. Chaos. Pain. Vote for your favorite Nolan Batfilm!

I see the "new release" factor is working in TDKR's favor. For me, TDK still tops it by a bit.

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Old 07-29-2012, 04:58 PM   #154
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Interpret it any way you like, but I would have to say that pain is pretty anti-climatic after chaos.

Scarecrow and Ra's wanted to spread fear through Gotham, The Joker wanted to create chaos and Bane wanted to destroy Gotham with a nuclear bomb.
If you say so, but Pain and Consequences trumps Chaos and Escalation for me.

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Old 07-29-2012, 05:12 PM   #155
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Begins set the whole tone, I like bb, tdkr, tdk last..... Tdk felt over timed with nonsense. Also I think I'm the only one who thought ledger was just ok rather then put on a pedis tool like everyone else does

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Old 07-29-2012, 05:19 PM   #156
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Begins set the whole tone, I like bb, tdkr, tdk last..... Tdk felt over timed with nonsense. Also I think I'm the only one who thought ledger was just ok rather then put on a pedis tool like everyone else does
I agree with you but not with Ledger as the Joker. He was great Joker his performance stole the show. I would have liked he was in TDKR if even for cameo.

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Old 07-29-2012, 05:21 PM   #157
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I see the "new release" factor is working in TDKR's favor. For me, TDK still tops it by a bit.
My thoughts exactly.

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Old 07-29-2012, 05:22 PM   #158
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Well... Ledger's performance was the 'crŤme de la crŤme'.

And I find it hilarious that posters are actually seeking excuses for why TDKR is leading the poll.

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Old 07-29-2012, 05:36 PM   #159
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I see the "new release" factor is working in TDKR's favor. For me, TDK still tops it by a bit.
Same here. TDKR is the worst one of the trilogy for me.

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Old 07-29-2012, 05:38 PM   #160
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Batman Begins still wins IMHO.

1. BB - 8.5/10
2. TDKR - 8/10
3. TDK - 8/10

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Old 07-29-2012, 05:44 PM   #161
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After my 2nd TDKR viewing, my ranking still remains the same.

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Old 07-29-2012, 05:49 PM   #162
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After my third viewing last night, TDKR still leads.

TDKR -- 9.4/10
BB -- 8.8/10
TDK -- 9.2/10

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Old 07-29-2012, 05:51 PM   #163
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The Dark Knight - 9.5/10
Batman Begins - 8/10
The Dark Knight Rises - 7/10

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Old 07-29-2012, 05:51 PM   #164
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Same here. TDKR is the worst one of the trilogy for me.
It's weak second act. Did it. For me... Otherwise it could have been the best

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Old 07-29-2012, 05:53 PM   #165
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Begins - 8.5/10
TDK - 8/10
TDKR - 7.5/10

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Old 07-29-2012, 05:59 PM   #166
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Tdkr - 9.5/10
tdk - 9.0/10
bb - 8.5/10

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Old 07-29-2012, 06:00 PM   #167
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My sig has my scores, haha.

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Old 07-29-2012, 06:03 PM   #168
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TDK
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Amazing trilogy overall.

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Old 08-02-2012, 10:28 AM   #169
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Can anyone point me to the quote were Nolan talked about Fear, Chaos and Pain?

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Old 08-02-2012, 10:49 AM   #170
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Close call ... but, I vote The Dark Knight. It is the villains the put it over the top.

Begins was a great origin story. Completely perfect from the beginning to near the end. But, the villains were the weakest of the series by far, and the threat against Gotham is the smallest. Ras al'Ghul and Scarecrow were actually rather feeble as Batman villains go ... just can't come close to the combination of Joker/Dent or Bane/Catwoman.

TDKR was sweeping and epic. The threat was real and palpable. For the first time, the movie saw Bruce's safety at risk. It mixed the epic threat of TDK with the Wayne-focused storyline of Begins. The ending was perfect, and wrapped up the series nicely. Bane was a great villain ... and Catwoman was well played. A great movie. But, Bane and Catwoman, even played at the peak possible, cannot match up to the combo of Joker and Two Face.

TDK had the perfect combination of villains. Joker was enthralling for every second he was on the screen -- a Hannibal Lecter-level performance. He is easily the best villain of the series ... even if he wasn't as physically threatening to Batman as Bane was. But, he was psychologically threatening. Harvey Dent ended up a compelling a tragic villain, definitely the best secondary villain of the series. The combination of Joker and Dent was the only combo that actually beat The Batman in the end.

TDK is the ESB of Nolan's Batman movies.

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Old 08-02-2012, 11:20 AM   #171
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After watching TDKR once more late last night....it's still TDKR for me.

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Old 08-02-2012, 11:51 AM   #172
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It's a close call between BB and TDK. BB was a great journey, watching Bruce Wayne train, prepare and slowly turn into the Batman. And it was the one Movie where thugs were thinking he's some thing, not a man. And TDK, well, that had the freaking Joker, doing what he does best and and one of the best Batman moments, when he took methodically the entire SWAT team out.

TDKR is still a great Movie, but it ranks below the first two Movies. Too little Batman, fighting like a bloody newb against Bane in their first encounter, Talia simply being wasted and the ending where Bruce just quits and has a happy life, is just so not Batman.

So I rank them...

1. TDK
2. BB
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Old 08-02-2012, 11:56 AM   #173
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I think that as time passes, The Dark Knight Rises will come to be considered the best of the trilogy.

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Old 08-02-2012, 11:56 AM   #174
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I'd say the theme of TDKR is faith.

Bane's followers had faith in him.

Bane had faith in Talia.

Gordon and Blake had faith in Batman.

And Batman had faith in Gotham.

All of the major characters in the movie were driven by faith in something, for one reaosn or another.

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