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Old 12-15-2011, 09:27 AM   #1
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By now most of us (in one form or another) have seen the prologue and the trailer. There's some Catwoman chatter but the overall impact has been made by Bane and the total menace of the situation Gotham finds itself in.

Now don't get me wrong, I love a great villain, after all a hero is only as good as his villain as if the villain is weak and does not create a formidable challenge for the hero then the victory is less sweet. However the Bane thing has gotten to the point where many posts come off as if some would be happy if Bane won.

To me the greatest thing about how menacing Bane is and how much peril Gotham is in, is how exciting it will be when Batman fights back, rises from the rubble and in the end kicks Bane's ass, because as badass a creation as Bane seems to be and as menacing as he is, I still can't wait to see Batman kick his ass and overcome the odds.

So this thread is basically about looking forward to Batman in this movie, to his fightback and ultimate victory!

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Old 12-15-2011, 09:43 AM   #2
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Well Batman can't get any lower than he supposedly will in this film, and I'm really excited to see on how he overcomes the obstacles thrown at him and how he's eventually recognized by Gotham and its inhabitants as its "true hero".

Man, Harvey Dent's words of "The Night is darkest before the Dawn" will have that much more weight to it in this film.

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Old 12-15-2011, 09:50 AM   #3
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I honestly can't wait to really wait to see what the catalyst is for Batman's return, with all of the things that happened in TDK and what's going to happen to Gotham and him in TDKR is going to redefine the word rise. Bane is not simply going to be an intelligent adversary but one the Batman simply cannot beat in a fight. The more stacked on him in the film is only going to make he rise more triumphant and meaningful.

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Old 12-15-2011, 10:34 AM   #4
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I get a thread named after me? Fantastic.

Hunter Rider, I got the same exact feeling you did, that people were hyping up Bane to the point where it seemed like they just want the movie to be called "Bane Rises"...when I point this out, people thought I was just overreacting. I'm glad someone agrees with me on this.

The sad thing about the Batman universe is that there are so many great characters, people tend to forget about the main one. Hal Jordan has the same problem in the GL mythos. And we all know about the "TDK was the Joker's movie" comments. More important than how badass Bane is or whether or not Catwoman has a cowl is that Bruce Waynes story is properly told. Thankfully, the trailer has been reassuring. Most of the characters in it are there to service bruce.

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Old 12-15-2011, 10:39 AM   #5
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By now most of us (in one form or another) have seen the prologue and the trailer. There's some Catwoman chatter but the overall impact has been made by Bane and the total menace of the situation Gotham finds itself in.

Now don't get me wrong, I love a great villain, after all a hero is only as good as his villain as if the villain is weak and does not create a formidable challenge for the hero then the victory is less sweet. However the Bane thing has gotten to the point where many posts come off as if some would be happy if Bane won.

To me the greatest thing about how menacing Bane is and how much peril Gotham is in, is how exciting it will be when Batman fights back, rises from the rubble and in the end kicks Bane's ass, because as badass a creation as Bane seems to be and as menacing as he is, I still can't wait to see Batman kick his ass and overcome the odds.

So this thread is basically about looking forward to Batman in this movie, to his fightback and ultimate victory!


All the crap that will happen to Bruce/Batman will make his victory much, much sweeter so I say bring on the pain because the gain will be fantastic!

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Old 12-15-2011, 10:44 AM   #6
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Is this no longer viable?

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=347747

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One of the things that excited me about Bosefs info was him describing the last 40 minutes as something fans would cheer for, and he described it as a "Rocky" type of ending.

The thing about Bane in the comics is that, deep down, he ain't ****. He was addicted to venom, and waited until Batman was at his weakest to defeat him. I saw a post where someone said that Batman shouldnt be able to beat Bane single handidly, and I thought that post missed the point entirely. Bane was never some undefeatable character, and the story misses something if Batman dosent overcome him at the end by himself.

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Old 12-15-2011, 10:48 AM   #9
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All I know is that it will be glorious to see the Dark Knight rise.

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The Dark Knight's Rise will be powerful and epic. Possibly inspirational.

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Old 12-15-2011, 10:57 AM   #11
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This will be Batman greatest vivtory yet ..... Make no mistake I want to see Batman kick Basne's ass in the end

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Old 12-15-2011, 12:10 PM   #12
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Isn't the "Characterisation of the Bat" thread covering the same thing? Just a note: we already have a Batman thread.

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Old 12-15-2011, 12:22 PM   #13
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was just FBing this yesterday:

"the more i'm mulling it over.... the more I hate Bane. In the way that the good Lord, Christopher Nolan intended me. And I cannot wait for Batman to eff him up right back. At 2:30 am on July 20th next year - look for me. I'll be the guy in the NYC Imax screaming "KICK HIS MOTHEREFFIN ASS, Bats!"

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Old 12-15-2011, 12:33 PM   #14
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Jow, I've been thinking the same thing. As a villain, Joker was just a lot of fun to watch. It was very easy to marvel and just enjoy what he was doing. Perhaps that had to do with the dark humor he brought. With Bane, I'm expecting him to be very much the kind of villain I watch who makes my blood boil and I just want so badly to get his dues.

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I just hope that after watching the trailer most if not all rumors of Batman dying can be finally put to rest. It's obvious that the daylight fight at cityhall is the final battle between the two titans.

Then it is also obvious that when Bane tells Bruce he wants him to see Gotham in ashes before he has permission to die must be halfway through the second act. bane breaks Bruce as is obvious from his static pose and bruce goes away to recuperate physically but more importantly mentally. He can't beat bane on brute strength so he needs to get his head right.

Now after all that, who thinks he'll come back like a boss and still die at the hands of Bane ?

Not me.

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In film theory, Nolan's films are classically set up to engage the viewer into asking questions. The first 5 minutes of a film are crucial to the rest of the viewing experience because it HAS to hook the audience with the biggest question of all. In the case of both TDK and TDKR, the questions are similar; why are these criminals doing what they are doing and what's their ultimate goal?

The setups of both these initial glimpses leads the audience to see the story in one direction but by the end flips it in its head. Batman himself is the unstoppable force that must find a way to react to these immovable objects (Joker and Bane respectively) but at the same time keep what makes him the hero intact. The hero has to show some change from Act 1 to the the climax of Act 3 in order for the audience to root for them.

This is why if you think about it, boxing movies are so popular (honestly think about how many sequels to Rocky there are or any other boxing movie made in the past 30 years). Audiences love the underdog stories because it elevates the protagonist into positions outside of their normal comfort zone.

From Batman Begins we have the hero coming from an angry victim of random violence to a beacon of hope. In TDK he falls from being a feared symbol to being a wanted fugitive. In TDKR it seems he will come from hiding to redeem himself as a symbol more than a man to inspire those who lost faith in Batman. TDKR is a story of redemption in my eyes dur to the events of the past films that came before it. Sorry for the diatribe, I'm a film major and Batfan beyond hope.

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Old 12-15-2011, 04:16 PM   #17
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Though we don't know all the details...it looks as if Bane shows Gotham the real truth about Harvey Dent, seemingly takes away it's hope for the Batman by injuring(?) him, but then Batman comes back and against ridiculous odds saves Gotham and becomes the city's true hero. That's really what I'm looking forward to in TDKR. The prologue and trailer made me wonder though-what will he do in India? Does he leave Gotham at all? That's what's really killing me about the plot. He seems to have a 'stache(reference to Miller's TDKR) when he goes into the prison, but is it in India?

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Isn't the "Characterisation of the Bat" thread covering the same thing? Just a note: we already have a Batman thread.
That's what I thought. But I do like the gears turning again in terms of Batman discussion, IMO Bruce is the highlight of the latest trailer.

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I just hope that after watching the trailer most if not all rumors of Batman dying can be finally put to rest. It's obvious that the daylight fight at cityhall is the final battle between the two titans.

Then it is also obvious that when Bane tells Bruce he wants him to see Gotham in ashes before he has permission to die must be halfway through the second act. bane breaks Bruce as is obvious from his static pose and bruce goes away to recuperate physically but more importantly mentally. He can't beat bane on brute strength so he needs to get his head right.

Now after all that, who thinks he'll come back like a boss and still die at the hands of Bane ?

Not me.
T I don't think the day light fight is the final battle . Just like everyone assume the batman/Joker in the street scene was final battler .... Nope I think thsts wher Bange gets the upperhand thanks to Talis

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That's what I thought. But I do like the gears turning again in terms of Batman discussion, IMO Bruce is the highlight of the latest trailer.
Most definitely.

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I like this thread, it seems we can give some nice thought out discussions here, more than meandering speculation.

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I'm starting to think perhaps Bane doesn't know, at first, who Batman really is, but captures the "1%" and looks at Bruce Wayne as the epitome of all that's wrong with Gotham, much in the same way Selina seems to, by her cryptic message to him at the party.

So, not saying this will happen, but I would love if, for Bruce to escape and save Gotham, he has to reveal himself to those rich elite he's imprisoned with, thus shaking them out of apathy and influencing them to do more with their power to help the city.

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I don't see Batman dying, nor do I see his mission as a failure. Bruce's idea of protecting the innocent and righting the wrongs of criminality and corruption wasn't just some afterthought. It's what keeps Bruce alive. And it's what's keeping Gotham alive. Where villains have come and gone, and Gotham has gone from depression to upheaval and back to depression, Batman has remained. And this is why I am so infuriated with not only fans who think that "the Joker won", but also characters within the series such as Bruce who believe that the symbol is gone. Batman survives because he doesn't quit. Even when Bruce contemplates retirement, the idea lives on. You created the idea, Bruce. You created it and you have to stick to it.

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Old 12-15-2011, 06:11 PM   #24
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this is what we've been talking about for over a year now.
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Absolutely right. The greater the challenge, the more legendary Batman's rise will be. I get chills thinking about that, it's going to be an intense progression.

Bane is truly looking like a relentless, concentrated, vile force - his purpose fuels this. We know Batman is going to be pushed to the very edge of his life, and his will, and to rise above the indication we've seen (whichever way that is) will no doubt be epic.

Some theorize Bats will die, even if that were to occur he will certainly rise in this moment or before it, and leave that with Gotham.
I can't say for sure what I think his ultimate fate will be, but we know he's going to go out fighting either way. He will go out a hero.

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