Anyone else fear 'Man of Steel' is the final chance for success in the film industry?

[VM1138]

Originally Posted by C. Lee

Superman has been on the screen for 64 years now. Even if the upcoming movie is terrible and the worst thing ever made....there will be another Superman movie.

Hm...not so sure. Maybe someday, but if this one tanks, that's four busts in a row. All different from each other, a sign that in most forms Superman just can't work in today's world, at least on film. Smallville showed it could work as a TV show, but that might be what Superman is from now on.

[KalMart]

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[The Shield]

LOL So it seems you've turned into the pessimist of the forum. Or someone who lowers their expectations really low so if it is bad you won't be disappointed or is because it's easier to always have a negative opinion. Or is it because you want to be the underdog and someone who likes to go against the grain so in the case that it is a disappointment you can say to the mass of optimist, "I told you so"? There are plenty of positives to be pulled from what we've have seen so far. But whatever. Either way, enjoy You won't take this for anything but a reason to be negative anyway, right.

I just want us to enjoy this. I was the pessimist for a long time. I see good from both Snyder and Nolan. It's a good team up. They can compliment each other.

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by The Shield

LOL So it seems you've turned into the pessimist of the forum. Or someone who lowers their expectations really low so if it is bad you won't be disappointed or is because it's easier to always have a negative opinion

No actually...I was one of the more supportive of the choice of Snyder in the very beginning, when many were more WTF until they pinned their hopes more on Nolan.

Originally Posted by The Shield

Or......

You're overreacting...the Snyder comment was said in jest as a response to the Singer comment. Read back....then maybe try some aspirin for that hurt butt of yours, 'kay tiger?

[The Shield]

Originally Posted by KalMart

No actually...I was one of the more supportive of the choice of Snyder in the very beginning, when many were more WTF until they pinned their hopes more on Nolan.



You're overreacting...the Snyder comment was said in jest as a response to the Singer comment. Read back....then maybe try some aspirin for that hurt butt of yours, 'kay tiger?

LMAO!! First, I'm a pretty big dude but not your girl so no pet names ok there guy. Second, thanks for the laugh. Weird being on this side of a butthurt tag.

But seriously, what change your stance if at first you were supportive? From the trailer and the CC footage, it doesn't even look like any of his past stuff. Not much and only a few minutes, true, but just a few seconds of his previous films and there's no doubt it's him.

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by The Shield

LMAO!! First, I'm a pretty big dude but not your girl so no pet names ok there guy.

I'm quaking.

Originally Posted by The Shield

I'm quaking.Second, thanks for the laugh. Weird being on this side of a butthurt tag.

But at least you like it. Beggar's can't be chosers.

Originally Posted by The Shield

But seriously, what change your stance if at first you were supportive? From the trailer and the CC footage, it doesn't even look like any of his past stuff. Not much and only a few minutes, true, but just a few seconds of his previous films and there's no doubt it's him.

I'm still supportive...again, it was said in jest responding to the Singer comment. Thanks for the laugh, sugar.

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by VM1138

Hm...not so sure. Maybe someday, but if this one tanks, that's four busts in a row. All different from each other, a sign that in most forms Superman just can't work in today's world, at least on film. Smallville showed it could work as a TV show, but that might be what Superman is from now on.

Well...in some ways you can look at it like: Does Flash Gordon work better in older times/sensibilities than he would today without major modifications? I still think Superman is or at least can be a contemporary and relevant character, but I do think it takes some updating of the world 'around him', if you will.

It seems like the film is taking some strides towards that in its approach to mistrust and fear of things that they'd associate with awe and exaltation, perhaps, in years past.m And things that some people find 'old-fashioned' or what have you can be framed as refreshingly simple and virtuous in a more morally ambiguous setting. I guess similar could be said for Flash Gordon...but you could end up with something like John Carter, too.

[UaalaDan]

You guys need to chill.

My comment about BS was that he clearly doesn't understand Superman and that he should've stayed with the franchise he actually knows something which are the X-men. I think Goyer, Nolan and Snyder know what they are doing...

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by UaalaDan

You guys need to chill.

Already done...you need to catch up.

Originally Posted by UaalaDan

My comment about BS was that he clearly doesn't understand Superman and that he should've stayed with the franchise he actually knows something which are the X-men. I think Goyer, Nolan and Snyder know what they are doing...

Yeah we got that. But it was Nolan that had to convince Snyder and portray a version that interested him. Snyder had earlier said that he just didn't feel Superman. And again, had Singer taken a more original approach to Superman like he had with Xmen, instead of intentionally making it a love-letter to the Donner movies, he was still coming in with a better 'track record' than Snyder..who comparatively brought up much more misgivings about 'style over substance' et al. Again, Nolan's name is certainly lubricating that pill for many Supes fans as it would for general moviegoers.

[8wid]

If this movie doesn't make it or break it, then we will be seeing an alternate version of Superman from what he looked like in the 1930s and 40s. Which could mean a whole new rogues gallery and it taking placing during World War II.

[BH/HHH]

Originally Posted by 8wid

If this movie doesn't make it or break it, then we will be seeing an alternate version of Superman from what he looked like in the 1930s and 40s. Which could mean a whole new rogues gallery and it taking placing during World War II.

In your opinion, you talk as if that's definitely what will happen and if your talking about the court case I don't think that's gonna happen what the heirs would get involving the character is barely enough to make a movie there'd end up been a deal made. Also I'm not sure how much the films success has to do with the court case I think they had to just have a movie in production for rights or something.

I personally feel if MOS bombs (which I certainly hope it does not) we will see Justice League sooner than we think where I think if MOS is a major success it might delay Justice League for a little while but I could be wrong one things for sure if Superman fails in a solo franchise he's gonna get a shot at the team up with JL.

[DeadPresident29]

Originally Posted by BH/HHH

Problem is it could be amazing yet not rock the box office depends on circumstances, what else is out there could be some surprise smash hit that batters all in its path we just don't know.

I've got a feeling Nolan/Snyder will market it correctly, they'll have all the bases covered. Every female out there will pay money to see Cavill in his outfit, every diehard fan will take a chance on seeing their hero portrayed properly. And casual movie-goers will probably be interested as soon as they discover Nolan/Snyder's previous projects and their link to MoS. I'm completely psyched for it, Nolan managed to resurrect Batman after the Schumacher travesties, and his influence will probably help Superman achieve his first authentic and dark portrayal.

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by 8wid

If this movie doesn't make it or break it, then we will be seeing an alternate version of Superman from what he looked like in the 1930s and 40s. Which could mean a whole new rogues gallery and it taking placing during World War II.

I always loved the idea of a period-piece Superman like in the 30-40's, and the onset of the atomic age, etc. Maybe really stylized like Sky Captain...and amusingly, Snyder would actually be a pretty good choice for that. But I also think it's important that Superman has always been (or intended to be) a contemporary character, and that's the challenge now, to find a good fit for him and today's world and sensibilities that still stays true to the character's essence.

[UaalaDan]

I think any Superman movie that isn't a love letter to Donner has big chances of achieving that. MOS is going to be amazing and is going to make a lot of money. I sincerely can't see it failing. I think the most incredible thing will be that it is going to be BETTER than Donner's and Cavill is going to be better than Christopher Reeve. Mark my words. People are going to be flabbergast. It's going to be the return of the KING.

[MarvelKnight]

Whether this movie bombs or not (I'm inclined to think it will be pretty good) This won't be the last time we Supes on the big screen.

[shauner111]

I think it's the last chance to get the general audience to give a **** about Superman to be honest.

It's such a dated thing for the GA. This needs to be accurate but it needs to give us an extremely different take on the character for the majority to really care. And i think it will succeed.

Im not a big fan of Snyder. I've never had an emotional response to any of his movies. But this doesnt look like a Snyder film, it doesnt look like Nolan either but it's like a completely new & different director came in and was inspired by Nolan and Malick and decided to reboot Superman.

So it will indeed show people a different side to Superman, and it should be enough.

[BH/HHH]

Originally Posted by UaalaDan

I think any Superman movie that isn't a love letter to Donner has big chances of achieving that. MOS is going to be amazing and is going to make a lot of money. I sincerely can't see it failing. I think the most incredible thing will be that it is going to be BETTER than Donner's and Cavill is going to be better than Christopher Reeve. Mark my words. People are going to be flabbergast. It's going to be the return of the KING.

That's very optimistic hope your right

I have to admit I'm very confident that Man of Steel will be a great film and I'm confident its going to be the Superman film I've been waiting for. However I am worried it won't make a massive amount of money but that's just fear from Superman Returns.

I wonder how much this film would need to make to be considered a success, is 600 mil enough? 800 mil? A billion?

[The Batman]

People are way too caught up on this being some "Donner killer".

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by The Batman

People are way too caught up on this being some "Donner killer".

Superman III already did that.

[UaalaDan]

Not Donner killer but another interpretation of Superman, you know? That's what I want to see, not a continuation of the Donner movies like SR kinda was. SR to me didn't know what it wanted to be and turned out to be the final nail in the coffin of that interpretation.

I love the Donner movies but hate SR with passion.

[nobycane]

I have to honestly say that Superman has definitely had a really rough time at the box office since Salkind/Donner films (aka SM 1 & 2)... IMO, Superman returns was a good film/story, though a little on the sappy side of things and not up to a lot of peoples expectations - though I think it did it justice connecting to the original first 2 films.

I tip my hat off to Synder and Nolan for their upcoming effort to disconnect this film from the Chris Reeves films - which to almost of us is/was "Superman"... it is a hard disconnection due to the memories and emotional attachment with Reeves and his Superman.

I hope that many will indeed keep an open mind to this new reboot effort...and certainly hope it works and is successful. Though, if it doesn't...then as legend has it, the Superman franchise is truly cursed!

However, I can respect the fact that WB wanted to push this movie into production without losing the rights back to the Siegel/Shuster estates... though, it might have been interesting to have seen them reboot the Batman and other franchises (i.e. Green Lantern) and start up others (Wonder Woman) and push the Justice League with Superman / Clark Kent doing camoes within those films and have a one-off film bridging into JL.

[Superman Prime]

This turning out to be a terrible movie seems unrealistic. From what's been revealed so far, we know they're putting effort and thought into this. Even if it's not a masterpiece, probably a safe bet to say it'll be 'good'.

[StarvingArtist]

Originally Posted by Superman Prime

This turning out to be a terrible movie seems unrealistic. From what's been revealed so far, we know they're putting effort and thought into this. Even if it's not a masterpiece, probably a safe bet to say it'll be 'good'.

I don't think it's that unrealistic. Man of Steel could be to Superman Returns what Incredible Hulk was to HULK. Incredible Hulk was an underwhelming answer to HULK which was garbage. I'm really hoping for a homerun but I wouldn't put it past hollywood to screw up yet again. Only time will tell. They'll get it right at some point.

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by StarvingArtist

I don't think it's that unrealistic. Man of Steel could be to Superman Returns what Incredible Hulk was to HULK. Incredible Hulk was an underwhelming answer to HULK which was garbage. I'm really hoping for a homerun but I wouldn't put it past hollywood to screw up yet again. Only time will tell. They'll get it right at some point.

It's still mainly the hands of the movie to earn success and popularity or not. Hollywood most likely won't kill a really good movie's chances...just like it won't turn a POS startup movie into a blockbuster. When it comes down to it, WB can only provide it what it needs and hope for the best. Sometimes it works, like with Batman, sometimes it doesn't, like with SR and GL.

[UaalaDan]

Let us hope it works this time. I'm really tired of seeing bad representations of Superman.