TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk) - Part 5

[Dark Cockatoo]

I know I am missing something here, but why does Talia essentially leave Bane to die in Gotham when the bomb is set to go off?

[Greens]

Talia and Bane were both going to die in Gotham and they knew it. I don't think the LoS has a retirement plan.

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by Greens

Talia and Bane were both going to die in Gotham and they knew it. I don't think the LoS has a retirement plan.

Which actually raises another thing that I just thought of; given on how it was established in the prison that Bruce needed the fear of death due to the will to survive in order to achieve victory, it was just ironic on how that was further emphasized with Batman's last battle with Bane and Talia since he wanted to survive whereas with Bane and Talia, they weren't fighting for anything important in the sense where they were already prepared for death.

[Broker]

Originally Posted by Dark Cockatoo

I know I am missing something here, but why does Talia essentially leave Bane to die in Gotham when the bomb is set to go off?

Because Gordon had blocked the signal to her remote detonator. While the bomb would explode anyway, there was a risk that Gordon had taken control of the truck and could somehow have taken it back to Wayne Enterprises to stabalise it.

[Mach2Infinity]

Just a quick question. When Talia discusses Bane's ex-communication from the LoS. There's a brief scene from BB where Ra's/Ducard is looking at Bruce training and then he looks down in disappointment. I just watched BB and I don't remember the look of disappointment. Only he watching Bruce as he trains. Am I right in it being a scene from BB or did they magically re-shoot it with the same lighting etc?

[Broker]

Originally Posted by Mach2Infinity

Just a quick question. When Talia discusses Bane's ex-communication from the LoS. There's a brief scene from BB where Ra's/Ducard is looking at Bruce training and then he looks down in disappointment. I just watched BB and I don't remember the look of disappointment. Only he watching Bruce as he trains. Am I right in it being a scene from BB or did they magically re-shoot it with the same lighting etc?

I thought that was a new scene, but I may be wrong.

[Bat-Gasm]

I think its suppose to be bane training. In the novel like I mentioned earlier it says ras watched bane but knew he had to get rid of him. Bane had a prototype mask. Ill check later about applied sciences. The novel is a good companion. I do however wish they cut to gotham while bane was giving his talk. Also gordon in hiding getting front of a camera would have been nice and creepy. Like in the final harry potter book..not the movie. When they would tune into potterwatch on the radio it just really gives that feeling of the city being taken over. Which btw....can you give the city to the people while at the same time implementing marshal law??

[Blue_Scholar]

Bane's whole agenda in regards to "giving the city back to the people" is just pandering.

Look at Nazi Germany for example, in particular the party's name: "National Socialist German Worker's Party"; you have the "Nationalist" angle which covers the right-wing perspective; you have the "Socialist" angle which covers the left-wing perspective; and you have the German Worker's Party component which covers the moderate perspective.

The party advertises something attractive for everyone. In truth the Nazi party was none of these things and was simply a vehicle for one man to control the state.

[DeadPresident29]

Having read some of the posts comparing The Avengers to TDK Trilogy I just thought I'd offer my two cents on what I perceive the difference between Marvel and DC to be. A recurring theme seems to be the overall emotional significance of the two different franchises, which is where DC has more quality I feel.

The 3 most popular/significant DC characters, Batman, Superman and Green Lantern offer accessible emotional themes that I don't see in Marvel's characters (Bar Spidey, perhaps). I think this is the biggest divide between fans of the two companies, as Marvel fans generally seem to fall back on the "Avengers had more action = better movie lololol" argument. My reasoning for why TDK Trilogy trumps Avengers is that you can emotionally invest in and relate to the characters, whereas in most Marvel movies the "character development" seems like a countdown to the next RDJ one-liner or Hulk's short temper references.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yeah a lot of people still going on hardcore about the realism aspect trying to attach the term flaw or plothole to it...so odd. SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF PEOPLE. It is nothing new to movies. The Bat could never outrun missiles like that? Sighs. The Dark Knight Rises definitely wins the most nitpicked by nerds award for 2013.

[Homer J. Fong]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

Yeah a lot of people still going on hardcore about the realism aspect trying to attach the term flaw or plothole to it...so odd. SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF PEOPLE. It is nothing new to movies. The Bat could never outrun missiles like that? Sighs. The Dark Knight Rises definitely wins the most nitpicked by nerds award for 2013.

Right?! It's ridiculous to me how many people are having such a hard time suspending their disbelief with this movie, or just don't want to, or are claiming issues of suspension of disbelief as poor storytelling. Batman escaping from that nuclear bomb in the nick of time? Sure, kind of a reach. But not only is it an action movie, not only is it a Batman movie, but if we'd seen precisely how he escaped at that time, there goes the suspense. And I don't know where you'd put a precise explanation for how he escaped afterward without destroying the drama of the remaining moments. We have what we need. The other most acknowledged "plot hole" is how Bruce returned from wherever that pit was, and to that, I can only really say, "If it was that important or compelling, we'd have seen it. It's obviously something that would have taken too long to show and wasn't interesting enough to justify showing." That's the only answer I have. Neither of those are answers that would satisfy people making those complaints. There's more, but yeah, I'm seeing a lot of people being unreasonably picky about this movie. Nolan kind of shot himself in the foot by establishing a much more grounded world for these movies, but also, they've always portrayed a heightened reality. I don't know.

[HappyDragon]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

Yeah a lot of people still going on hardcore about the realism aspect trying to attach the term flaw or plothole to it...so odd. SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF PEOPLE. It is nothing new to movies. The Bat could never outrun missiles like that? Sighs. The Dark Knight Rises definitely wins the most nitpicked by nerds award for 2013.

Bra-vo, sir! Well said. There actually needs to be an award for that. People need to look up the term "plot hole", because when I watch TDKR, I don't really see them. And with Nolan's strict attention to detail, any little bit of info we don't get spoon-fed to us is most likely intentional.

[BatFitz]

Did anyone else notice a Christopher Nolan cameo?

It's during the scene where Bane takes Fox, Miranda Tate & the board member down to the fusion reactor, and there's a wide shot when Fox is activating it, and I could have sworn for a brief moment, it's Nolan standing there with his hand placed on the screen. I've only seen the film twice, but if anyone is going again, look out for it. I could be wrong...if I am, maybe I was just looking for a Chris Nolan cameo, seeing as how it's his last Batman film.

[aeioulul]

Originally Posted by BatFitz

Did anyone else notice a Christopher Nolan cameo?

It's during the scene where Bane takes Fox, Miranda Tate & the board member down to the fusion reactor, and there's a wide shot when Fox is activating it, and I could have sworn for a brief moment, it's Nolan standing there with his hand placed on the screen. I've only seen the film twice, but if anyone is going again, look out for it. I could be wrong...if I am, maybe I was just looking for a Chris Nolan cameo, seeing as how it's his last Batman film.

Really? Doubt it.

[Frodo]

I personally think both sides of the arguement in regards to this film have kinda gone a bit overboard whether they're claiming the film has a hundred plotholes and or whether they're complaining about people complainng about plotholes. Both sides have taken the film and their postions on the film way too seriously imo. But if everyone agreed , the internet would be pretty dull.

[BlackFox]

Originally Posted by Frodo

I personally think both sides of the arguement in regards to this film have kinda gone a bit overboard whether they're claiming the film has a hundred plotholes and or whether they're complaining about people complainng about plotholes. Both sides have taken the film and their postions on the film way too seriously imo. But if everyone agreed , the internet would be pretty dull.

Its the way the internet works, your a troll if you diss something, a fanboy if you like it, its the way the world turns

Not sure if the other films had this level of scrutiny attached to them (I can only assume yes as this is not some new thing) or any other for that matter (I guess SW prequals probably did) but maybe its just the fact its new at the moment.

[Greens]

Originally Posted by BatFitz

Did anyone else notice a Christopher Nolan cameo?

It's during the scene where Bane takes Fox, Miranda Tate & the board member down to the fusion reactor, and there's a wide shot when Fox is activating it, and I could have sworn for a brief moment, it's Nolan standing there with his hand placed on the screen. I've only seen the film twice, but if anyone is going again, look out for it. I could be wrong...if I am, maybe I was just looking for a Chris Nolan cameo, seeing as how it's his last Batman film.

No that's the other board member who volunteered.

[serendipity]

Originally Posted by BatFitz

Did anyone else notice a Christopher Nolan cameo?

It's during the scene where Bane takes Fox, Miranda Tate & the board member down to the fusion reactor, and there's a wide shot when Fox is activating it, and I could have sworn for a brief moment, it's Nolan standing there with his hand placed on the screen. I've only seen the film twice, but if anyone is going again, look out for it. I could be wrong...if I am, maybe I was just looking for a Chris Nolan cameo, seeing as how it's his last Batman film.

Ooh Nolan pulling a Hitchcock? I'll keep my eyes open for that scene next time.

[Frodo]

Originally Posted by BlackFox

Its the way the internet works, your a troll if you diss something, a fanboy if you like it, its the way the world turns

Not sure if the other films had this level of scrutiny attached to them (I can only assume yes as this is not some new thing) or any other for that matter (I guess SW prequals probably did) but maybe its just the fact its new at the moment.

I think its a bit of both. I also think that there are other factors such as social media playing a much greater role in the hype or buzz about big event films such as TDKR , the whole "is it gonna beat Avengers?, ASM, Avatar etc" nonsense, and mobilized fanbases which are stirred up in the run up to a films release. As a result you get hyper sensitive people either pro or con who , imo overreact you don't agree or aren't as invested in either side.


It does make me wonder what's gonna happen when the Hobbit comes out.

[Bruce_Begins]

It is much more difficult for TDKR, people are even finding political sub text where none exists, like some people are finding it pro republican, some are saying it is pro Liberal others saying it is pro Left.

Some have even found religious metaphors, social commentaries etc.

Add to that hard core Batman fanboys saying it is not true to the character, blah blah...

[BlackFox]

Originally Posted by Frodo

I think its a bit of both. I also think that there are other factors such as social media playing a much greater role in the hype or buzz about big event films such as TDKR , the whole "is it gonna beat Avengers?, ASM, Avatar etc" nonsense, and mobilized fanbases which are stirred up in the run up to a films release. As a result you get hyper sensitive people either pro or con who , imo overreact you don't agree or aren't as invested in either side.


It does make me wonder what's gonna happen when the Hobbit comes out.

I know, everything seems to be a competition and things have to be ranked in some order, I guess its just human nature. I just enjoyed TDKR and Avengers for what they were, different, but both entertaining. Yeah I have my preference to which I like more but thats personal, some people seem to think you have to pick one over the other, and damn the loser into some fiery pit of nothingness.

Yes, I fear that film will have just as many people looking at the feet of the Hobbits and comparing how furry they are to the original trilogy.

[BatFitz]

Originally Posted by Greens

No that's the other board member who volunteered.

Oh, that's right! Never mind.

[swantonbomberx]

I don't consider myself a fanboy and I really enjoyed TDK without nitpicking about anything, but I certainly believe that TDKR didn't make as much sense as the previous movie. With TDK, I believe Noland did something amazing to the Batman saga, he took Begins and made it something totally new. Of course it has its flaws and everything, and you surely needed suspension of disbelief in some cases, but it was coherent to this so called "reality angle". With TDKR, after my second and third watch in theaters, I can't say the same...And it's not about minor issues as Batman escaping the bomb, I'm fine with it. No, I really missed something, and I really believe there are some serious plot holes and things that just didn't make sense in Nolanverse. That being said I really enjoyed the movie, but c'mon guys, there's no reason to avoid criticism and get or religious about it or to condemn it. That's the place I belong, as Bruce Wayne said, between Nolan blind fanboys and nerd nitpickers.

[swantonbomberx]

I may even start to argue my points with the risk of getting my back broken just to be thrown into a pit prison.

[Octavias]

I think it was a good movie, though I think it was a bit of a stretch putting in the broken back angle with the short amount of recovery time he had. For a third movie it was very good, but in the trilogy it wasnt as good as TDK or BB. You know how it is with trilogies... the first one you are constrained by the origin stories, then by the third the actors and directors are either trying to cover to much, changing things up, or rushing to a resolution... for a part 3 it was really a great movie....