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![]() Hell, you know how much the second act dragged on for me, but it's that Al Ghul back story and Bruce's struggle in the pit that make it worthwhile for me. Really great stuff. |
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Cool, glad we agree on that JackWhite.
One thing I was thinking about recently is I was really pleased how the entire trilogy avoided one of most trite (IMO) superhero movie tropes- "two otherwise unrelated villains team up because they're both mad at the hero!" (as seen in all the 92-97 Batman sequels, Spider-Man 3, ASM-2, etc.). This trilogy incorporated a lot of villains, but it never felt too contrived. We had villains who were pawns of larger villains, villains who turned heroes into villains by seducing them to the dark side, and villains with a shared history who were on the same team all along. Totally unrelated, but I was thinking that in retrospect it was pretty cool that Raimi's Spider-Man 2 opted for just one villain considering it was a sequel and the temptation was surely there to put in more (Black Cat was originally planned but taken out). In general I feel like multiple villains tend to hurt superhero films more than help them, but luckily this trilogy managed to avoid that by weaving plots where everything came together in a pretty organic way. Honestly, probably the most "tacked on" character was Catwoman, but she still figured heavily into the themes of the movie and I don't really consider her a villain as such. |
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Third Man
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Catwoman worked because she wasn't a straight up antagonist. More of a tweener of sorts and that's kind of a stretch to a degree. But I definitely love that about Nolan's trilogy too. I love how there was always this kind of pyramid or hierarchy when it came to the villains:
Batman Begins: Carmine Falcone > Scarecrow > Ras' Al Ghul The Dark Knight: Sal Maroni (or you can just say the entire mob) > The Joker > Two-Face The Dark Knight Rises: John Daggett > Bane > Talia Al Ghul TDK one I'm sure people will disagree with how I put that one together, but I had Two-Face over Joker only because The Joker pretty much creates Two-Face, which expands on the freak idea. But obviously The Joker was head honcho when it comes to villainy in the film. That's a given. |
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Favorite CBMs 1) Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice 2) Man of Steel 3) Thor: Ragnarok 4) The Avengers: Age of Ultron 5) The Dark Knight 6) Guardians of the Galaxy 7) Doctor Strange 8) Wonder Woman 9) Captain America: Civil War 10) The Dark Knight Rises 11) The Avengers 12) Thor: The Dark World 13) Black Panther 14) Iron Man 15) Captain America: The Winter Soldier 16) Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 217) Batman Begins 18) Thor 19) X-Men: Days of Future Past |
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Talia even though she doesn't get as much screen time as Bane.
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