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Old 08-30-2012, 12:13 PM   #301
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Maybe you just need to watch better TV shows? ABC's last big show LOST was pretty frikkin serious, to say nothing of Joss Whedon's other shows like Firefly, Dollhouse, and lest we forget, Buffy and Angel. A lot of your "just seems" just seems really weird, like you're trying to imagine problems and not finding anything substantial.

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Yes, yes, and also, yes, all of this. I hadn't even though of Eli Bradley, AWESOME. Definitely not a full invasion for the Kree. I actually think it'd be cool if the Kree were in a sort of invisible war/sabotage thing, like in the Ultimate Universe. That way, the Kree Skrull war could be happening all around us covertly... and on a TV budget!





I would prefer to see more avengers movies, how do my "just seems", seem weird? The reality is films are succesful with how I just explained shield to work. Lets keep going with more avengers films... just not sure how a TV series using shield as the binding glue to introduce charaters is gonna work.. Shield comes into play through individual characters hence "iron man", "thor" etc... This lead to avengers through stand alone characters.

Why not just create more series with the lesser known charatcers,, are you going to tell me there is not a mountain of material to define individual characters? Why does it need to be told through "shield". And if you dont agree the fact is thats how the avengers film even came about.. It just seems a little contradictive to revese the role of shield to tell the individual story. It just feels like some kind of soap opera glue to introduce more characters in a series.

Why not create indiviual series for lesser known guys, maybe it will catch on and it defines them.. If it makes it you could still use "Shield" as needed. This is how its working anyways. if the series is succesful maybe he or she can join the line up in another avengers film, and bam you have the connection.

Not trying to see problems at all,, i guess my point is my trying to "make it work" is to just keep going with whats working.


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SHIELD is a massive organization. It's played a supporting role in the filmverse thus far, and been woven into the stories, but only through the heroes' points of view.

The show will let us see things through the SHIELD agents' points of view. it expands the universe in ways that open up new storyline and character possibilities without forcing those who watch the movies but not the show to feel like they're missing something.

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Yeah, if he was in his 40s, he's in his 110s now. I hadn't made that calculation when I listed him. And with Cap frozen and likely Bucky too, it'd be too convenient for him to survive to the future, y'know? Now they could certainly go back and do a storyline where the find a way to bring him from the past, or explore how he survives to the present, but he can't start out as a series regular.
No No, see, he heard what happened to Cap and decided to go try to find him, slipped, hit his head, passed out and got frozen too. Luckily, when finding Cap, they say what appeared to be a bizarre looking mustache and.... there he was.

Ok, no. I can't be sarcastic anymore. You're right. He'd be about 110 years old so as far as I'm concerned, there's a 0% chance he shows up in the current timeline. But maybe a flashback, creating and heading up a team like SWORD or something in the 1970s could be a good way to link it to the films without making it key to the Thanos plot. In my book, he's dead. He died in 1991 with MC Hammer and acid wash jeans.

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It was just announced that you're co-writing a TV series set in Marvel's S.H.I.E.L.D. organization, and you may direct the pilot, schedule permitting. After all the network conflicts you've had with your other shows, how does it feel to finally be working on a project that may very well get the biggest promotional push of any TV show ever and will most likely not air on a Friday?
[Laughs.] You know, I can't guarantee that any of that will happen! But so far, it feels just fine. The important thing to me is that we know what the show is. We love what it is. It came together very organically, so when we went in to pitch [to Marvel], it wasn't like, We're trying to find this because you want a TV show, it was, Check this out. And that's a good way to walk in a room.

Good support is wonderful, but it's not a hill of beans, because they may give us all this support and then decide, "Eh. Yeah, it's Friday." They might give us all the support and then not do that, but then audiences might go, "Yeahhh … no." You just can't be sure. What I do know is that it's the show it should be, and we've got some really dope notions. It's going to work very well for people who either love the Marvel universe or for people who've never dipped a toe in the Marvel universe.
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I would prefer to see more avengers movies, how do my "just seems", seem weird? The reality is films are succesful with how I just explained shield to work. Lets keep going with more avengers films... just not sure how a TV series using shield as the binding glue to introduce charaters is gonna work.. Shield comes into play through individual characters hence "iron man", "thor" etc... This lead to avengers through stand alone characters.

Why not just create more series with the lesser known charatcers,, are you going to tell me there is not a mountain of material to define individual characters? Why does it need to be told through "shield". And if you dont agree the fact is thats how the avengers film even came about.. It just seems a little contradictive to revese the role of shield to tell the individual story. It just feels like some kind of soap opera glue to introduce more characters in a series.

Why not create indiviual series for lesser known guys, maybe it will catch on and it defines them.. If it makes it you could still use "Shield" as needed. This is how its working anyways. if the series is succesful maybe he or she can join the line up in another avengers film, and bam you have the connection.

Not trying to see problems at all,, i guess my point is my trying to "make it work" is to just keep going with whats working.
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SHIELD is a massive organization. It's played a supporting role in the filmverse thus far, and been woven into the stories, but only through the heroes' points of view.

The show will let us see things through the SHIELD agents' points of view. it expands the universe in ways that open up new storyline and character possibilities without forcing those who watch the movies but not the show to feel like they're missing something.
Exactly. They're not reversing the roles. They're using SHIELD to introduce more SHIELD, as they've done with their successful oneshots with Agent Coulson and Item 47. Plus, spy shows are a lot more successful than superhero shoes not starring Superman, especially if you try to make a bunch of lesser series instead of one great one.

If you can answer this question: 'What about a SHIELD tv series "just seems like it would get spread a little thin"' then I'll answer what just seems a little weird about all your just seems.


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Ok, no. I can't be sarcastic anymore. You're right. He'd be about 110 years old so as far as I'm concerned, there's a 0% chance he shows up in the current timeline. But maybe a flashback, creating and heading up a team like SWORD or something in the 1970s could be a good way to link it to the films without making it key to the Thanos plot. In my book, he's dead. He died in 1991 with MC Hammer and acid wash jeans.
You know, they should do a one shot based on that: The Death of Dum Dum Dugan as an 80s throwback one shot. Give Neal his dream of co-starring with a mutton-chop wearing Sam Jackson too. He's in acid wash jeans sneaking into an MC Hammer concert and that ish goes down. Perhaps a nefarious plot by a resurgent HYRDA involving Vanilla Ice.

But that gives me a GREAT serious idea though: Phil Coulson was trained by Dum Dum Dugan. Now that's a flashback episode I need to see!

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I want to laugh at you and call you an idiot....but that idea is just too genius.

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If Sam Jackson won't play in this series much, how about a stand in for him like a white 616 Nick Fury? He could just be Jackson Fury's LMD.

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“The S.H.I.E.L.D. show kind of dropped in my lap, and I love working in TV,” Whedon told EW.com on Thursday, without revealing any more details. “I get to really build a show with people I really trust and love. What we’re building is entirely autonomous from The Avengers. It’s gotta be a show that works for people who haven’t seen the Marvel movies. It will please Marvel fans, I think.”
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So this TV show about Cap's shield sounds like it could be boring. Are we just going to stare at that circular disc with the red and white stripes for a whole hour? Or will Cap actually come attached to it and do some stuff?

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So this TV show about Cap's shield sounds like it could be boring. Are we just going to stare at that circular disc with the red and white stripes for a whole hour? Or will Cap actually come attached to it and do some stuff?
I can't tell if your serious or not. . .

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I also love that Loeb failed to get a greenlight for so long, and the minute Whedon comes over and gets involved with a show ABC jumps. Heh.

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I also love that Loeb failed to get a greenlight for so long, and the minute Whedon comes over and gets involved with a show ABC jumps. Heh.
I must admit that gives me a certain kind of malevolent satisfaction.

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Wish List? Don't mind if I do...
  • Villains: Leader (Season 1 Big Bad), Taskmaster (Recurring Baddie), AIM (Recurring Baddie Organization), Kree (Season 2 Big Bads, Blue Facepaint), Skrulls (Season 3 Big Bads, Green Prosthetics)
  • Storylines: Leader and Phase 2/Hyrda tech, Kree vs Skrull, if the show lasts more than four seasons, Thunderbolts/Masters of Evil, Marvel Knights/Vigilante Registration
  • Budget: LOST level, about 2 million per episode, enogh for convincing locations, good non-powered action and a couple special effects related to the week's case per episode, 10 million for pilots and season finales
  • Continuity: Carol 'graduates' to Captain Marvel at the end of the Season finale going directly into the Avengers film, the plot of the SHIELD show plays into a subplot in the Avengers movie (similar to how other tie ins make a big build up to what amounts to a minor plot point in a film), SHIELD characters can be seen in the background in Cap 2, stuff like that
  • Ninjas. Everything's better with Ninjas.
  • Creative Minds: Other than Joss' normal people (writers and actors) have Robert Kirman (Invincible, Walking Dead) and Brian K Vaughn (Runaways, LOST) write some episodes too.
  • Let Sam Jackson do whatever he wants. It always works out for the best.
I really like this:'Creative Minds: Other than Joss' normal people (writers and actors) have Robert Kirman (Invincible, Walking Dead) and Brian K Vaughn (Runaways, LOST) write some episodes too.'

Bring in different writers per story arc (Y probably was saying the same thing too)

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5) Do NOT try to directly tie this into the movies. Have it exist in the same universe, but don't tie the plots in together. There would be character crossover, obviously. But don't try to have a crossover with the Thanos story or anything. That could get ugly.

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I think Brian K. Vaughn has a good shot at joining the writing team since Whedon wrote for Runaways and then brought Vaughn on board for Buffy S8.

Of Whedon's previous creative collaborators, this is what I'd love the creative team to look like (other than the two Whedons, Tancharoen & Bell who are already on board). My Whedonverse Dream Team, if you will:

-Tim Minear (Angel, Firefly, Dollhouse + Wonderfalls, Terriers)
-Jane Espenson (Every Whedon show ever + BSG)
-Brian K. Vaughn (Runaways, Buffy S8 comics + Lost)
-David Fury (Buffy, Angel + Lost, 24, Fringe)
-Drew Goddard (Buffy, Angel, Cabin in the Woods + Alias, Lost)
-Ben Edlund (Angel, Firefly + Supernatural)

With Minear, Fury, Goddard, Edlund and Jeff Bell regularly directing as well as writing. Of course, most of these folks are elsewhere employed at the moment, but that rarely stops them from collaborating w/ Joss again when he comes knocking. If we got even 2 or 3 of these people on staff for this show, I'd jump for joy.

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Espenson's writing for Once Upon a Time, which is also at ABC Studios, so maybe they'd let her freelance write an episode or two.

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Espenson's writing for Once Upon a Time, which is also at ABC Studios, so maybe they'd let her freelance write an episode or two.
I would think so! And speaking of Once Upon a Time, that sexy Huntsman they so cruelly killed off in S1 sure would make a strapping SHIELD agent. I don't even care who, I just want to see him on my TV again.

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Couldn't Iron Man potentially cameo. Not RDJ but just the Iron Man character armoured up in a little scene. They have use of the same digital technology and it would save them having to pay RDJ for a tiny role. Or if not Iron Man then War Machine.

In the alternate universe US War Machine series, Rhodes was working with SHIELD and many of the SHIELD agents were similarly suited up.

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I think Brian K. Vaughn has a good shot at joining the writing team since Whedon wrote for Runaways and then brought Vaughn on board for Buffy S8.

Of Whedon's previous creative collaborators, this is what I'd love the creative team to look like (other than the two Whedons, Tancharoen & Bell who are already on board). My Whedonverse Dream Team, if you will:

-Tim Minear (Angel, Firefly, Dollhouse + Wonderfalls, Terriers)
-Jane Espenson (Every Whedon show ever + BSG)
-Brian K. Vaughn (Runaways, Buffy S8 comics + Lost)
-David Fury (Buffy, Angel + Lost, 24, Fringe)
-Drew Goddard (Buffy, Angel, Cabin in the Woods + Alias, Lost)
-Ben Edlund (Angel, Firefly + Supernatural)

With Minear, Fury, Goddard, Edlund and Jeff Bell regularly directing as well as writing. Of course, most of these folks are elsewhere employed at the moment, but that rarely stops them from collaborating w/ Joss again when he comes knocking. If we got even 2 or 3 of these people on staff for this show, I'd jump for joy.
That is a good list of creative talent. I wonder if we might see Chris Yost involved in some of the writing? He has certainly proven that he can plot out serialized story arcs in Avengers:EMH and he moved on from that into the Marvel films writing program or something. I think he would be a great asset to the team.

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