The Official Rate/Review Thread for TDKR (TAG SPOILERS!!!) - Part 3

[Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Van Petrol

Off the top of my head, Batman and Bane fight up the steps of City Hall. Batman damages Bane’s mask causing it to malfunction, the anaesthetic to escape and his constant excruciating pain to be felt and realised. During their exchange before the turn of Tatelia, Bane acknowledges Batman is the better man and asks him to finish him off. Batman declines reciting the line “You’re punishment must be more severe...”, leaving him to his ultimate demise. Not only would this give a nod back to their earlier exchange, but it would also reference the exchange in Knightfall where Bane asked Jean-Paul Valley to ultimately end him when he had been defeated, but he declined as a showing of how he eventually passed on that personal demon (albeit temporarily).

This is just one way it could have been handled. It would’ve come of as more meaningful with more of a payoff, imo.

I’d also have liked if they’d had mentioned something along the lines of that ‘tragic brotherhood’ speech that was being bandied around a while back that turned out to be fake. Would have given real credence and acknowledgement in a weird sort of way that they are almost the same person, who each were born and surrounded by greatly contrasting circumstances and surroundings, followed different paths and ultimately aspired to different goals and morals (possibly as a result of the paths they faced and took).

I didn't think Banes death was anti climactic. I actually thought Catwoman blasting was surprising as all hell and kind of cool.

However, I was expecting Batman to rip Banes mask off and the Talia revealing herself and coming to his aid or something.

I also was thinking Bane would take his own life.

[batfreakforever]

Originally Posted by Dark Knight

I didn't think Banes death was anti climactic. I actually thought Catwoman blasting was surprising as all hell and kind of cool.

However, I was expecting Batman to rip Banes mask off and the Talia revealing herself and coming to his aid or something.

I also was thinking Bane would take his own life.

The movie is what it is. That fact that some fans dont get exactly what they want when scenes play out and then say "oh they should of done it this way or like that" is sad. I dont think I have ever questioned a batman movie on how they should of done something. I mean I always want more batman or a longer movie or more fights but thats because I enjoyed what was in the film and just want more. I just never understand why a "fan" would go on the internet and b!?@% about a batman movie. And mate im not having a go at you and respect your view.

[herolee10]

I really wish at times that instead of focusing so much on Blake's trips to the orphanage, that we could have substituted those scenes with things like:

1. The Remaining Cops being hunted down and executed

2. The public's opinion about the current state of their city, let alone their reaction to Dent and Batman's true natures.

Hell, especially to the latter, it wouldn't be so hard. They could have had some of the citizens rallying up to meet somewhere and discuss about their affairs, all arguing among themselves about what was going on, with some being in denial about what Bane revealed about Dent, only for Gordon to later appear and tell everyone the details regarding that fateful night. All it would have took is just one scene; hell cut the scene with Blake delivering the gallon of gasoline to the orphanage.

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by herolee10

I really wish at times that instead of focusing so much on Blake's trips to the orphanage, that we could have substituted those scenes with things like:

1. The Remaining Cops being hunted down and executed

2. The public's opinion about the current state of their city, let alone their reaction to Dent and Batman's true natures.

Hell, especially to the latter, it wouldn't be so hard. They could have had some of the citizens rallying up to meet somewhere and discuss about their affairs, all arguing among themselves about what was going on, with some being in denial about what Bane revealed about Dent, only for Gordon to later appear and tell everyone the details regarding that fateful night. All it would have took is just one scene; hell cut the scene with Blake delivering the gallon of gasoline to the orphanage.

I couldn't agree more

The Gotham personality was sorely lacking in TDKR.

[BareYourTeeth]

Originally Posted by herolee10

I really wish at times that instead of focusing so much on Blake's trips to the orphanage, that we could have substituted those scenes with things like:

1. The Remaining Cops being hunted down and executed

2. The public's opinion about the current state of their city, let alone their reaction to Dent and Batman's true natures.

Hell, especially to the latter, it wouldn't be so hard. They could have had some of the citizens rallying up to meet somewhere and discuss about their affairs, all arguing among themselves about what was going on, with some being in denial about what Bane revealed about Dent, only for Gordon to later appear and tell everyone the details regarding that fateful night. All it would have took is just one scene; hell cut the scene with Blake delivering the gallon of gasoline to the orphanage.

Originally Posted by The Joker

I couldn't agree more

The Gotham personality was sorely lacking in TDKR.

The film should've been split in two parts, that way you could've included everything.

[CConn]

I'd say three parts.

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by BareYourTeeth

The film should've been split in two parts, that way you could've included everything.

Indeed; hell the DC Animated Film feature did so for "The Dark Knight Returns".

[Bruce_Begins]

The original script was 400+ pages , I thought that they were going to make it into two parts, there was a rumor that WB even approached Nolan for this, but apparently he rejected the idea.


In my personal opinion, it would have been a much better to make this movie into two parts.

[Travesty]

Originally Posted by Bruce_Begins

The original script was 400+ pages , I thought that they were going to make it into two parts, there was a rumor that WB even approached Nolan for this, but apparently he rejected the idea.


In my personal opinion, it would have been a much better to make this movie into two parts.

Or to originally construct a story that will fit the appropriate allotted amount of time needed, instead of putting way too much story into a 400+ script, and then trimming a lot out.

[Tequilla]

Originally Posted by Travesty

Or to originally construct a story that will fit the appropriate allotted amount of time needed, instead of putting way too much story into a 400+ script, and then trimming a lot out.

And so was born The Dark Knight Rises by Christopher Nolan.

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by BareYourTeeth

The film should've been split in two parts, that way you could've included everything.

I agree. The movie suffered for it.

Originally Posted by herolee10

Indeed; hell the DC Animated Film feature did so for "The Dark Knight Returns".

I can't wait for part 2. It's looks amazing.

Originally Posted by Travesty

Or to originally construct a story that will fit the appropriate allotted amount of time needed, instead of putting way too much story into a 400+ script, and then trimming a lot out.

Exactly.

[batfreakforever]

If people had never heard of the 400+ script comment would people be questioning the film and say split it into two films.

[Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by batfreakforever

The movie is what it is. That fact that some fans dont get exactly what they want when scenes play out and then say "oh they should of done it this way or like that" is sad. I dont think I have ever questioned a batman movie on how they should of done something. I mean I always want more batman or a longer movie or more fights but thats because I enjoyed what was in the film and just want more. I just never understand why a "fan" would go on the internet and b!?@% about a batman movie. And mate im not having a go at you and respect your view.

Well stated and that is exactly what is going on.

Heck, there are scenes that I wish would have been in the film or what have played in a way I personally would have liked to have seen or would have been interesting to have seen, but because I didn't see them, it didn't ruin the movie for me at all. I also wish WB's and Nolan would have made this film a two part film like the last two Potter films. Not having all my wishes come to fruition didn't ruin the film for me one bit like it did for some.

TDKR was still a mesmerizing and spectacular film overall IMO.

[Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by herolee10

I really wish at times that instead of focusing so much on Blake's trips to the orphanage, that we could have substituted those scenes with things like:

1. The Remaining Cops being hunted down and executed

2. The public's opinion about the current state of their city, let alone their reaction to Dent and Batman's true natures.

Hell, especially to the latter, it wouldn't be so hard. They could have had some of the citizens rallying up to meet somewhere and discuss about their affairs, all arguing among themselves about what was going on, with some being in denial about what Bane revealed about Dent, only for Gordon to later appear and tell everyone the details regarding that fateful night. All it would have took is just one scene; hell cut the scene with Blake delivering the gallon of gasoline to the orphanage.

Nah. Showing that stuff wasn't necessary at all IMO and if they would have shown that, some of you would be complaining that it wasn't necessary to show that and the film was too long. haha

[Doctor Octopus]

Originally Posted by herolee10

I really wish at times that instead of focusing so much on Blake's trips to the orphanage, that we could have substituted those scenes with things like:

1. The Remaining Cops being hunted down and executed

2. The public's opinion about the current state of their city, let alone their reaction to Dent and Batman's true natures.

Hell, especially to the latter, it wouldn't be so hard. They could have had some of the citizens rallying up to meet somewhere and discuss about their affairs, all arguing among themselves about what was going on, with some being in denial about what Bane revealed about Dent, only for Gordon to later appear and tell everyone the details regarding that fateful night. All it would have took is just one scene; hell cut the scene with Blake delivering the gallon of gasoline to the orphanage.

I agree. Good post.

[Fudgie]

Originally Posted by batfreakforever

The movie is what it is. That fact that some fans dont get exactly what they want when scenes play out and then say "oh they should of done it this way or like that" is sad.

Nope. The only thing that is sad is you criticizing people for having higher standards and wanting something better.

I dont think I have ever questioned a batman movie on how they should of done something.

So you think Batman and Robin was awesome then.

I mean I always want more batman or a longer movie or more fights but thats because I enjoyed what was in the film and just want more. I just never understand why a "fan" would go on the internet and b!?@% about a batman movie.

I never understand why a fan would go on the internet and ***** about the *****ing.

What you're talking about is called movie criticism and it's like the most common thing on the net after porn.

Originally Posted by Dark Knight

Well stated and that is exactly what is going on.

Heck, there are scenes that I wish would have been in the film or what have played in a way I personally would have liked to have seen or would have been interesting to have seen, but because I didn't see them, it didn't ruin the movie for me at all. I also wish WB's and Nolan would have made this film a two part film like the last two Potter films. not having all my wishes come to fruition didn't ruin the film for me one bit like it did for some.

TDKR was still a mesmerizing and spectacular film overall IMO.

Yeah well that's like your opinion man.

[Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Fudgie

Nope. The only thing that is sad is you criticizing people for having higher standards and wanting something better.



So you think Batman and Robin was awesome then.



I never understand why a fan would go on the internet and ***** about the *****ing.

What you're talking about is called movie criticism and it's like the most common thing on the net after porn.



Yeah well that's like your opinion man.

Yep, just like you have your opinion.

If TDKR's didn't live up to your own personal standards, then oh well buddy.

Maybe next time.

[Fudgie]

Originally Posted by Dark Knight

Yep, just like you have your opinion.

Yup. But ya are always saying that to the people ya disagree with so I relished the opportunity to say it to you for a change.

If TDKR's didn't live up to your own personal standards, then oh well buddy.

Maybe next time.

Fingers crossed, mon ami. Can't always expect to get another TDK or something nearly as good as it.

[batfreakforever]

Originally Posted by Dark Knight

Well stated and that is exactly what is going on.

Heck, there are scenes that I wish would have been in the film or what have played in a way I personally would have liked to have seen or would have been interesting to have seen, but because I didn't see them, it didn't ruin the movie for me at all. I also wish WB's and Nolan would have made this film a two part film like the last two Potter films. not having all my wishes come to fruition didn't ruin the film for me one bit like it did for some.

TDKR was still a mesmerizing and spectacular film overall IMO.

Thanx man. TDKR blew me away. After dark knight there were thousands of ways the third movie played out in my head but none of my ideas played out on screen, but that doesnt matter. We are all batman fans here but I just keep seeing one negative comment after another. The people in my life dont enjoy batman like I do so I come here to the forums but when I read them, most of the time I think "why bother". When we make a positive comment we get eaten alive, but make a negative one and its "yeah man I agree, the movie sucks, nolans a hack bla bla bla.

[herolee10]

After reading some of the stuff that I've come across online, it feels like the only way that people would ever label a Nolan Batman film, "The Perfect One" is if they combined all of these things into one epic film: (Keep in mind that I mean this in a way where if this was a PERFECT WORLD).

1.

Batman having as much exposure and things to do in the film like he had in "The Dark Knight", but with the heart of the film's story relying on Bruce's Character Arc, with it being as captivating as it was in the likes of "The Dark Knight Rises".

2.

The Main Villain being the Joker in all of his glory that Heath brought to the role.

3.

Compelling and Interesting Character like Catwoman/Selina Kyle (portrayed by Anne), that's also presented with having great chemistry with the protagonist of the story.

4.

Gotham City and its inhabitants having a voice in the story like they did, most notably (imho) in the ferry boat scene in "The Dark Knight"

5.

Spectacular Fight/Action Sequences, especially with how "The Dark Knight Rises" really had Nolan bringing his A Game when it came to the scale of the situation.

[batfreakforever]

Originally Posted by Fudgie

Nope. The only thing that is sad is you criticizing people for having higher standards and wanting something better.



So you think Batman and Robin was awesome then.



I never understand why a fan would go on the internet and ***** about the *****ing.

What you're talking about is called movie criticism and it's like the most common thing on the net after porn.



Yeah well that's like your opinion man.

Most of the the time its just fans wanting what played out in their heads, it has nothing to do with higher standards. Its called nitpicking. Batman & robin is a tired argument from fans if I say yes, I'll be called a nutcase. If no then "maybe he knows what he talking about.

[The Guard]

If people had never heard of the 400+ script comment would people be questioning the film and say split it into two films.

I doubt it.

There's really not two films worth of material in this one. The movie needed another 15-20 minutes or so, and the script needed to be a little tighter in general.

[BatLobsterRises]

Originally Posted by The Guard

I doubt it.

There's really not two films worth of material in this one. The movie needed another 15-20 minutes or so, and the script needed to be a little tighter in general.

I agree to an extent. I think the 400 pages was Jonah's way of giving Chris every last idea he had and giving him a sense of the scope inherent to the story. There's probably a lot of interesting stuff in there, but I'd bet a lot of it is redundant and/or extraneous.

They more or less wrote a novel and then adapted it into a screenplay.

[Fudgie]

Originally Posted by batfreakforever

Most of the the time its just fans wanting what played out in their heads, it has nothing to do with higher standards. Its called nitpicking.

Nope it's called wanting something better than what we got. Ya say ya never questioned any Batman movie so ya wouldn't know what I mean when I say that.

Batman & robin is a tired argument from fans if I say yes, I'll be called a nutcase. If no then "maybe he knows what he talking about.

How are ya a nutcase? Ya are more crazy for complaining about the complaining. That's just silly.

[batfreakforever]

Originally Posted by Fudgie

Nope it's called wanting something better than what we got. Ya say ya never questioned any Batman movie so ya wouldn't know what I mean when I say that.



How are ya a nutcase? Ya are more crazy for complaining about the complaining. That's just silly.

nah man its simple. I dont complain about the films because I cant change what is. Its not my vision , I didnt direct it, write it. All that stuff. I just want to watch batman. I dont complain that nolans batman isnt like burtons batman. Of course it isnt if it was they just would of hired burton again. See mate another version of batman will come along one after the other. It doesnt matter if one flops or is a hit. Because I didnt invest my money in it. At the end of the day I will have another batman movie on my shelf for me to watch anytime.