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Old 09-05-2012, 04:20 PM   #201
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Yea, I felt Banes demise was not handled as well as it should have been. Batman should have been the one to have dealt his final card. The fight was over a bit too quick for my liking.
I can't imagine anyone defending Bane's demise in this. It was pathetic.

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Old 09-05-2012, 04:32 PM   #202
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I can't imagine anyone defending Bane's demise in this. It was pathetic.
At least it was better than Talia's death. Amirite?


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Old 09-05-2012, 04:44 PM   #203
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At least it was better than Talia's death. Amirite?

Yes, you are. Bad as Bane's was it's not getting parodies being made of it on the net like Talia's.

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Old 09-05-2012, 04:46 PM   #204
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Yeah Bane's death was kinda weak, but I can see why they rushed it given they had to do
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*I* will defend Bane's demise.

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Old 09-05-2012, 06:48 PM   #206
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Yes, you are. Bad as Bane's was it's not getting parodies being made of it on the net like Talia's.
I started to wonder if Nolan truly wanted to even do this film by then. I mean, that's the best take you can get from Marion? Maybe she had to breast feed her baby and pressing for time.

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Old 09-05-2012, 08:57 PM   #207
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I can't imagine anyone defending Bane's demise in this. It was pathetic.
Batman had already defeated Bane at that point. It wouldn't be in Batman's character to murder him in cold blood. Catwoman steps in at the last second and redeems herself for working with Bane earlier by blowing him away. This also mirrors Talia saving Bane just before and stabbing Batman. I would have liked to have at least one more shot of Bane before the movie ended (the best place to put it would have been during the montage with Bruce's epitaph) but the manner in which he dies is a-okay.

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Old 09-05-2012, 09:22 PM   #208
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I didn't mind Bane's demise.

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Old 09-05-2012, 09:28 PM   #209
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my only problem with bane (other than horrible voice), was the derp moment when batman realized "maybe i should go after his mask?" .... i mean, really bats, you're a detective, and incredibly smart one at that... I think any 5 year old who's played a video game would know that that's easily the target point to attack... he didn't think of this at all before during his first encounter??

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Old 09-05-2012, 09:39 PM   #210
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Bane deserved his death. Batman broke him psychologically when he escaped from the pit, then broke him physically in their last fight. Realizing that Batman is clearly superior, he resorted to cheating, by killing Batman with a shotgun. Doc Samson summed this up pretty well. I just don't know what thread was that.

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Old 09-05-2012, 09:43 PM   #211
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my only problem with bane (other than horrible voice), was the derp moment when batman realized "maybe i should go after his mask?" .... i mean, really bats, you're a detective, and incredibly smart one at that... I think any 5 year old who's played a video game would know that that's easily the target point to attack... he didn't think of this at all before during his first encounter??
Well...he DID try to land one of his first punches on Bane's face but that didn't really work out...

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Old 09-05-2012, 09:52 PM   #212
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I started to wonder if Nolan truly wanted to even do this film by then. I mean, that's the best take you can get from Marion? Maybe she had to breast feed her baby and pressing for time.
LOL!!!!

Seriously it was uncharacteristically bad acting from Marion. I really can't fathom why she played it that way.

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Batman had already defeated Bane at that point. It wouldn't be in Batman's character to murder him in cold blood.
But it's in character for Batman to leave someone to die when he could save their life (Ra's in Begins)? No, it's not.

Besides who said he had to kill Bane to defeat him. He never had to do that in the comics. He had just proven that minutes before Talia stabbed him.

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Catwoman could have redeemed herself by saving him without killing Bane. Like knocking him down with the Bat-Pod hard enough to knock him unconscious.

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Old 09-05-2012, 09:54 PM   #213
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I can't fathom why Nolan said "CUT, that's a wrap".

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Old 09-05-2012, 11:28 PM   #214
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Catwoman could have redeemed herself by saving him without killing Bane. Like knocking him down with the Bat-Pod hard enough to knock him unconscious.

Could've, but why would she? She's Catwoman, not Batman. She's not bound by that moral code. It's fully in character for her to shoot the guy.

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Old 09-05-2012, 11:40 PM   #215
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Could've, but why would she? She's Catwoman, not Batman. She's not bound by that moral code. It's fully in character for her to shoot the guy.
You're missing the point entirely. Catwoman's lack of moral code is not the issue. It's the piss poor demise Bane got at her hands that's the issue. The point being made by Happy Jack was Catwoman was redeeming herself by killing Bane.

She didn't have to murder him to redeem herself to Batman.

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Old 09-06-2012, 12:09 AM   #216
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Of course she didn't. Her coming back and helping Batman of any kind would be Catwoman redeeming herself. That, I agree with.

I don't have a problem with Bane's death because it's ironic with how he was going to shoot Batman. He got what he deserved, imo. He never used a gun until that moment so he should've been shot instead and he was.

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Old 09-06-2012, 12:19 AM   #217
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She didn't have to murder him to redeem herself to Batman.
No, but her killing him still accomplished that. It also makes a rather valid counterpoint about the intelligence of Batman's no killing rule. In that situation with the timer running out Bane was too big of a threat to be left alive.

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Of course she didn't. Her coming back and helping Batman of any kind would be Catwoman redeeming herself. That, I agree with.

I don't have a problem with Bane's death because it's ironic with how he was going to shoot Batman. He got what he deserved, imo. He never used a gun until that moment so he should've been shot instead and he was.
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It's a bit presumptuous to blame Marion for the death scene when we don't know what other takes were shot. Nolan could have had her play it a bunch of different ways when they were shooting, and then Nolan and Lee Smith gravitated towards a more theatrical death in the editing room for some reason. I won't claim to know. It's a bit funky that it got in there, but that section of the movie is so good that I forget about it within seconds of it happening.

Bane's death, I don't see anything in need of defense. He's the only villain in this series to get such an abrupt, violent death scene and he surely deserved it probably more than any of them. It was certainly better than the way Scarecrow was dealt with in Begins. Catwoman has an iconic enough stature in the Batman mythos where I can dig the fact that she got to kill Bane. Batman had already "broken" Bane, he wouldn't have gone for the shotgun otherwise. So the way I see it, Bruce set 'em up, Selina knocked 'em down. She probably wouldn't have blown him to hell if she had entered City Hall and Batman hadn't been betrayed and was still in control of the situation. So I agree with Anno Domini....it was a brutal and ironic death for Bane, which he fully deserved and brought upon himself. Not to mention he has the most badass last words...ever.

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Old 09-06-2012, 02:35 AM   #221
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I actually kind of like Bane's death. It's quick, abrupt and unceremonious, just like he killed his victims.
Besides, the guy was way too dangerous to be left alive. Catwoman killing him was the best possible thing she could have done for Batman and the city.

Talia's death was a bit lame but I feel that the whole twist is somewhat... lacking. I dunno, it's the one part of the film I have doubts about and not really digging it.

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my only problem with bane (other than horrible voice), was the derp moment when batman realized "maybe i should go after his mask?" .... i mean, really bats, you're a detective, and incredibly smart one at that... I think any 5 year old who's played a video game would know that that's easily the target point to attack... he didn't think of this at all before during his first encounter??
Did you just...not watch the fight scenes at all? I can think of at least twice where Batman throws a punch straight for his mask but Bane just blocks it midway through and just shoots a "like a boss" look at him. I believe those moments were actually in the trailers or tv spots. So Batman actually did go after his mask but Bane defended his mask area well.

Also concerning Bane's death I am not going to defend it in the sense that it will go down as one of the best villain demises by any stretch. BUT...it was surprising, fitting, and ironic.

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No, but her killing him still accomplished that.
So would have knocking him out with the Bat-Pod. So would Selina coming back to help at all period.

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I fail to see the logic of this. What could Bane have done if he was just knocked out? There was minutes left on the bomb and Talia was the only one with the detonator. What could Bane have done that was so bad that he needed to be killed then and there? Nothing.

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Old 09-06-2012, 10:12 AM   #224
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So would have knocking him out with the Bat-Pod. So would Selina coming back to help at all period.
Continuing to argue back and forth on this is pointless. It happened because the Nolans wrote it that way and it does work despite the possibility for change. You could debate the same thing with Two-Face's death in TDK or a hundred other things in these movies or any other.

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I think one of the reasons why people have a problem with Bane's death was because his character was such a bad ass throughout the whole film, and the
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Yes, i've heard the Darth Vader / Palpatine comparisson but
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As fas as Two Face's death goes , I wouldn't make the same critique in comparisson to TDKR , given the fact the whole end of the film is about the implications of his death and the Joker's victory. I agree that Bane's death still works , though I do think that its underwhelming given all the build up of his character had.

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