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Old 08-12-2012, 02:35 PM   #101
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$445m overseas, $390m domestic, and $835m worldwide. Very good.

That moves it above Inception in the all time World wide gross takings.

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Highest-grossing films
Rank Title Worldwide gross Year Ref
1 Avatar $2,782,275,172 2009 [# 1]
2 Titanic $2,185,372,302 1997 [# 2]
3 The Avengers $1,461,621,093 2012 [# 3]
4 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 $1,328,111,219 2011 [# 4]
5 Transformers: Dark of the Moon $1,123,746,996 2011 [# 5]
6 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King $1,119,929,521 2003 [# 6]
7 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest $1,066,179,725 2006 [# 7]
8 Toy Story 3 $1,063,171,911 2010 [# 8]
9 Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides $1,043,871,802 2011 [# 9]
10 Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace $1,027,044,677 1999 [# 10]
11 Alice in Wonderland $1,024,299,904 2010 [# 11]
12 The Dark Knight $1,001,921,825 2008 [# 12]
13 Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone $974,755,371 2001 [# 13]
14 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End $963,420,425 2007 [# 14]
15 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 1 $956,399,711 2010 [# 15]
16 The Lion King $951,583,777 1994 [# 16]
17 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix $939,885,929 2007 [# 17]
18 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince $934,416,487 2009 [# 18]
19 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers $926,047,111 2002 [# 19]
20 Shrek 2 $919,838,758 2004 [# 20]
21 Jurassic Park $914,691,118 1993 [# 21]
22 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire $896,911,078 2005 [# 22]
23 Spider-Man 3 $890,871,626 2007 [# 23]
24 Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs $886,686,817 2009 [# 24]
25 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets $878,979,634 2002 [# 25]
26 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring $871,530,324 2001 [# 26]
27 Finding Nemo $867,893,978 2003 [# 27]
28 Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith $848,754,768 2005 [# 28]
29 Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen $836,303,693 2009 [# 29]
30 Inception $825,532,764 2010 [# 30]
31 Spider-Man $821,708,551 2002 [# 31]
32 Independence Day $817,400,891 1996 [# 32]
33 Shrek the Third $798,958,162 2007 [# 33]
34 Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban $796,688,549 2004 [# 34]
35 E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial $792,910,554 1982 [# 35]
36 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull $786,636,033 2008 [# 3]
37 Spider-Man 2 $783,766,341 2004 [# 37]
38 Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope $775,398,007 1977 [# 38]
39 2012 $769,679,473 2009 [# 39]
40 The Dark Knight Rises $768,549,000 2012 [# 40]
41 Ice Age: Continental Drift $764,564,000 2012 [# 41]
42 The Da Vinci Code $758,239,851 2006 [# 42]
43 Shrek Forever After $752,600,867 2010 [# 43]
44 The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe $745,013,115 2005 [# 44]
45 The Matrix Reloaded $742,128,461 2003 [# 45]
46 Up $731,342,744 2009 [# 46]
47 The Twilight Saga: New Moon $709,827,462 2009 [# 47]
48 Transformers $709,709,780 2007 [# 48]
49 The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn – Part 1 $705,058,657 2011 [# 49]
50 The Twilight Saga: Eclipse $698,491,347 2010 [# 50]

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Old 08-12-2012, 02:37 PM   #103
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^ above has not been updated yet for this weekend obviously.

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Old 08-12-2012, 02:44 PM   #104
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It's #30 worldwide.


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Old 08-12-2012, 02:46 PM   #105
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No, the shooting didn't have that big of an impact.
How did you accurately assess that, though? I posted about this the other day, but the film's tracking and overall anticipation was about as excited as a culture can get for a film. I couldn't go out to dinner, the mall, stores, without hearing the various people around me chatting about it. I live in Chicago so that may have been a factor, but still. The second after the shooting, that stopped. Navy Pier was nearly column compared to the buzz after any film, good or bad. With The Dark Knight and Inception, it was high-emotion and enthusiasm. Instead of hearing words of excitement it was talk of waiting to see the film, or not at all.

Many of these people absolutely saw it in the weeks after, but for a film to be a massive hit, it of course (as I'm sure you know as you're knowledgable on this topic) has to hit unsuspecting demographics. The primary way for that to happen is glowing word of mouth building and building, but that couldn't happen since it nearly become taboo. I remember even hearing you talk abut how the whole experience was odd and somewhat in bad taste after the shooting. It's pretty culturally devastating, as opposed to culturally invigorating.

Given the astounding box office overseas and the overall fantastic but still underwhelming domestic box office, I'd definitely argue it would be significantly closer to a billion right now.

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Old 08-12-2012, 02:48 PM   #106
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http://www.boxoffice.com/latest-news/2012-07-23-warner-bros-officially-reports-weekend-gross-for-the-dark-knight-rises

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The Dark Knight Rises will gross $34.2 million internationally this weekend, bringing its overseas total to $445.3 million. Rises is now pacing 28% ahead of The Dark Knight using 2008 exchange rates at the same point in time and 46% ahead at current exchange rate

that is truly encouraging part of this news

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The worldwide market has grown since TDK came out, so it's no real surprise it's making more overseas.

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Old 08-12-2012, 03:11 PM   #108
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Batman & Robin in the London Olympics closing ceremony.

Oh, and that 835m figure is so pleasing on the eyes.

I can't wait to see TDKR for the first time next weekend. AT LAAAAAAST.

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No, the shooting didn't have that big of an impact.
I have to disagree. Warner Bros. released a statistic last week stating if the film had grossed the extra $20m it was supposed to if not for the Aurora shooting then declined at the exact same percentages it is now then we would be closing in on $500m right now domestically. If not for that shooting the film would probably be $100m higher in gross this weekend on track for $580-$590m domestic total.

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Worldwide numbers look amazing!!

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The worldwide market has grown since TDK came out, so it's no real surprise it's making more overseas.
It has grown, but some of TDK's strongest markets actually have poor exchange rates compared to summer 2008 (global economic meltdown in fall 2008). In the UK, for instance, TDK's 48.7 million pounds would be the equivalent of $76m with 2012 exchange rates. But in summer 2008, that gross translated to $89m. Avengers actually grossed more than TDK in pounds, but made $8m less in dollars. It's not just the UK where this is an issue. Other established markets in Europe are similar. In other words, Europe is screwing the pooch this year.

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It has grown, but some of TDK's strongest markets actually have poor exchange rates compared to summer 2008 (global economic meltdown in fall 2008). In the UK, for instance, TDK's 48.7 million pounds would be the equivalent of $76m with 2012 exchange rates. But in summer 2008, that gross translated to $89m. Avengers actually grossed more than TDK in pounds, but made $8m less in dollars. It's not just the UK where this is an issue. Other established markets in Europe are similar. In other words, Europe is screwing the pooch this year.
Europe hasn't got a pooch to screw more like

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I have to disagree. Warner Bros. released a statistic last week stating if the film had grossed the extra $20m it was supposed to if not for the Aurora shooting then declined at the exact same percentages it is now then we would be closing in on $500m right now domestically. If not for that shooting the film would probably be $100m higher in gross this weekend on track for $580-$590m domestic total.
If it opened to $180m, odds are it would have been more frontloaded. I think at most it will be hurt by around $50m and possibly as little as $20m. I've been going with $30m for awhile. So if it finishes around $445m, then it would have made $475m. I haven't seen any evidence that word of mouth is strong enough to support the kind of total you're suggesting.

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That's kind of the point, word of mouth never had the capacity to be crazy positive culturally after a horrific cultural event so it could never grow the same way.

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That's kind of the point, word of mouth never had the capacity to be crazy positive culturally after a horrific cultural event so it could never grow the same way.

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But WOM clearly isn't as strong as TDK if you look at its ratings on IMDB, Flixster, and everywhere else. It has a long runtime and no Joker character to create a lot of humor for the audience. Regardless of the shooting, this film never would have had TDK's WOM.

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If it opened to $180m, odds are it would have been more frontloaded. I think at most it will be hurt by around $50m and possibly as little as $20m. I've been going with $30m for awhile. So if it finishes around $445m, then it would have made $475m. I haven't seen any evidence that word of mouth is strong enough to support the kind of total you're suggesting.
What Vadar said, and every indication wass pointing toward TDKR outperforming its predecessor. I find it hard to believe that it would have suffered the kind of drastic drop offs you're suggesting considering the actual second week drop off was pretty large and due in just as large part to the shooting. I'd say that drop offs, at least for the second and third week, would have been less if not for the shooting.

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But WOM clearly isn't as strong as TDK if you look at its ratings on IMDB, Flixster, and everywhere else. It has a long runtime and no Joker character to create a lot of humor for the audience. Regardless of the shooting, this film never would have had TDK's WOM.
While you're right on that count, the word of mouth still would have otherwise been extraordinary. I'm just saying, before the film came out, it was everywhere, everyone talked about it. It's like that became taboo for the first week or two after the shooting to the 'average' fan (hell, my fb newsfeed had people saying they're waiting to see it for the treason) so word of mouth never had a chance to spread really.

It probably wouldn't have ever sold more tickets than TDK did, but with inflation and raised ticket prices, it was on track to beat its box office no question, and the foreign box office only backs me up.

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But WOM clearly isn't as strong as TDK if you look at its ratings on IMDB, Flixster, and everywhere else. It has a long runtime and no Joker character to create a lot of humor for the audience. Regardless of the shooting, this film never would have had TDK's WOM.
Once again have a hard time believing this. You're really underestimating how much the shooting affected the movie. For an entire two weeks the dialogue wasn't about how TDKR bring the trilogy to a satisfying end but how the biggest massacre in American history took place at a movie showing of it. For two weeks all publications were talking about was how this might stop people from going to see the movie and whether or not this ruins the batman franchise and even some news sites suggesting it would be immoral to go see the movie after the shooting. That king of publicity is devastating not to mention WB pulled all ads for the movie from TV for like two weeks. And as far as not having a Joker type character, that wasn't needed; the fact the movie was bringing the trilogy to a satisfying conclusion was enough WOM to get people to go out and see the movie. People were excited to see the final chapter of the Dark Knight not more of the Joker.

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Haven't posted in ages, but I just had to chime in here.

Not only did the shooting have a significant impact (go read any reputable industry analysis to see the unanimous agreement on this), but you have to also consider the very significant secondary impact of the complete suspension of all advertising for TDKR's first week of release.

If halting advertising has no impact on a movie's box office, than why on earth would any studio spend hundreds of millions to advertise their films??

TDKR's initial momentum was absolutely impacted by horrible events that unfolded at that midnight showing.

I'm not sure if it could have matched or beaten TDK's end Box Office run, but ALL indicators were tracking for a massive opening week. Those losses cannot be recouped.

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Just noticed Mr Dent covered many of the same points. He's totally correct on all of them

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The fact that it still managed to pretty much guarantee a billion is amazing.

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Thursday's actual hold was real good at $3,586,326 (-3%)

That means the projected weekend estimate may now a bit higher:

Friday ~ $5,630,000
Saturday ~ $7,760,000
Sunday ~ $6,060,000

New Est Weekend Projection ~ $19,450,000

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#3 - Warner Bros’/Legendary Pictures’ PG-13 The Dark Knight Rises (3,690 theaters, Week 4) is third atop the box office with $5.8M Friday and probably $19.5M - $20M for the weekend and a giant $390.6M cume.
Sunday's number across the board dropped for all films.

TDKR may be lower than the estimated weekend again at $19.5M.

Friday looking at $5.7M
Saturday looking at $7.7M
Sunday looking at $5.4M

Looking at $18.8M weekend (-47%).

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Lack of Marketing due to the shooting hurt more than some are willing to admit. As Dov S-S Simons says "film is art in theory, but in the real world its a marketing business. Its all about marketing the product. The product really doesn't matter, which is why so much **** is on the screen".

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Lack of Marketing due to the shooting hurt more than some are willing to admit. As Dov S-S Simons says "film is art in theory, but in the real world its a marketing business. Its all about marketing the product. The product really doesn't matter, which is why so much **** is on the screen".
True. But i wouldn't say just shootings was the reason of lack of marketing. TDK had great viral marketing. Avengers had huge marketing since first day. TDKR has moments but no viral marketing, actors weren't around & talking about the movie much like The Avengers cast.. I don't think this one had great marketing. Even Prometheus probably had better marketing than TDKR.

Mediocre marketing for such anticipated movie.

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Minus the virals... the marketing for this film was pretty much identical to The Dark Knight.

This got a huge marketing push. And the virals are much too fan-based, they never make much of an impact on the general public. Sure my friends would like to see a picture of Bane or Catwoman online... but unlike me, the won't spend hours waiting for it through playing an ill-conceived game.

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