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I've always wanted to see Doodlebug. I have no idea where or if I could.

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Oh wow, when I heard it was a short, I thought it was going to be a 15-20 min movie.

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I never saw anything as assured as Following in my days as a film student. It's rough around the edges, it has its weak spots, but you can see that filmmaker underneath that has something to say, that has real ideas about how you construct a movie, that really knows how to speak the language of cinema and is already audacious enough to push at the conventions of storytelling without ever forgetting to actually tell a story. I see exactly why that little no budget movie got investors to put trust in Nolan and get his first "real" film made.

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You can stop right there. It just is. 95% of the people who went to the film school I attended had no real passion. The ones that did I thought were wasting their time. School or not, these people were going to make movies, come hell or high water. They were going to work three jobs and eat Ramen and fish sticks so they could buy film stock (yes, film stock. I was a member of perhaps the last generation of film students who actually had to shoot and cut on 16mm).

That 5% made me realize that I don't have it. I dropped out.
Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I suspected.

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It always kind of amazes me how trivial attending film school is if you don't have that fire of true genius and creativity. There's so many of you dudes here who've gone and - no offense - its not like any of you are Roman Polanski in real life.
I went to film school not only to learn film but to enjoy the college experience, gain networking (which I have), and also get a minor (which may be in either marketing, psychology, or religion). Going to college for film school depends on how much you make it worth your while.

There have been great directors that have, and great directors who haven't gone to film school. I think it's a personal choice that can go either way no matter which choice you make. I feel like I have learned much about movies, and I do have much creativity to do whatever I want at Syracuse.

I also don't understand the comparison to Roman Polanski. Yes, everyone won't be Roman Polanski, but it's not like every businessman that comes out of Columbia is a Warren Buffet, and not every athlete that comes out of North Carolina is a Michael Jordan.

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It's the same reason I like THX-1138 so much; The more limited your resources are, the more creative you're forced to become. And I dunno, I swear those films just burn with passion and intimacy that no big budget movie can ever quite capture.
I absolutely agree with this. I'm reading Robert Rodriguez's Rebel Without A Crew and it's amazing what he managed with almost no budget. Creativity, not money, makes a film great. A film can cost as much as $250 million and be complete devoid of any creativity, soul, or artistic merit. Most of the films I really, really love cost $10 million or less.

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I went to film school not only to learn film but to enjoy the college experience, gain networking (which I have), and also get a minor (which may be in either marketing, psychology, or religion). Going to college for film school depends on how much you make it worth your while.

There have been great directors that have, and great directors who haven't gone to film school. I think it's a personal choice

I also don't understand the comparison to Roman Polanski. Yes, everyone won't be Roman Polanski, but it's not like every businessman that comes out of Columbia is a Warren Buffet, and not every athlete that comes out of North Carolina is a Michael Jordan.
Again, I wasn't criticizing. You don't have to explain your personal reasoning for going.

And my point - and my comparison to Polanski - was that it seems like the important thing to being a great filmmaker isn't really the technical training, but rather the person's own passion for it.

Which is different than most professions. I mean, I couldn't just say "hey, I have a passion for law, **** school, I'm going to become a lawyer on my own." That's impossible for careers such as that - but for film, it's a very real option.

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I never saw anything as assured as Following in my days as a film student. It's rough around the edges, it has its weak spots, but you can see that filmmaker underneath that has something to say, that has real ideas about how you construct a movie, that really knows how to speak the language of cinema and is already audacious enough to push at the conventions of storytelling without ever forgetting to actually tell a story. I see exactly why that little no budget movie got investors to put trust in Nolan and get his first "real" film made.

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He liked it so much he thumbed it twice.

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This entire 3 minute short film is better than the entirety of TDKR, which kind of proves my point. If Nolan makes something smaller and a bit more personal, I think he'll have an opportunity to really breathe and shine. This big budgets romps he's doing are kind of exhausting. From TDK to Inception to TDKR I just kept wanting to tell the guy to scale it down a bit.

I really liked that Doodlebug short.

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That's either the most ultimate double post lag, or Homer really wants you to know he likes your post.

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This entire 3 minute short film is better than the entirety of TDKR, which kind of proves my point. If Nolan makes something smaller and a bit more personal, I think he'll have an opportunity to really breathe and shine. This big budgets romps he's doing are kind of exhausting. From TDK to Inception to TDKR I just kept wanting to tell the guy to scale it down a bit.

I really liked that Doodlebug short.
I wouldn't go that face, but I did like that more than Following.

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Again, I wasn't criticizing. You don't have to explain your personal reasoning for going.

And my point - and my comparison to Polanski - was that it seems like the important thing to being a great filmmaker isn't really the technical training, but rather the person's own passion for it.

Which is different than most professions. I mean, I couldn't just say "hey, I have a passion for law, **** school, I'm going to become a lawyer on my own." That's impossible for careers such as that - but for film, it's a very real option.
Ah. In that case, I definitely agree with you in that front. As I said, film school is what you make of it.

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Doodlebug really doesn't impress me much. The Twlight Zone-ness of it is really cool, but I made a better short film in one afternoon with three friends and an empty house.

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Here's what I'll say about film school in the year 2012: if you want that college experience, want that coming of age period, want to make some contacts, cool. But personally, I think you'd be better off spending that tuition money on gear. By a Zoom H4N, get a Macbook, get a Canon 5D and just start making movies. You're first movies will suck, but if you keep going you'll not only develop real skills but you'd also have the gear to make an acceptably professional product. You can spend less than 10 grand on gear that combined with real passion can get you into Cannes or Sundance. Take it from me, learning the theory and history of cinema from Netflix and DVD commentaries and watching a ****load of movies is just as useful as learning it from a bunch of burnout professors with a chip on their shoulder who never got anywhere. You're time spent actually shooting stuff, actually cutting it yourself, will teach you more about how to make movies than any Film 101 class ever will.

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Here's what I'll say about film school in the year 2012: if you want that college experience, want that coming of age period, want to make some contacts, cool. But personally, I think you'd be better off spending that tuition money on gear. By a Zoom H4N, get a Macbook, get a Canon 5D and just start making movies. You're first movies will suck, but if you keep going you'll not only develop real skills but you'd also have the gear to make an acceptably professional product. You can spend less than 10 grand on gear that combined with real passion can get you into Cannes or Sundance. Take it from me, learning the theory and history of cinema from Netflix and DVD commentaries and watching a ****load of movies is just as useful as learning it from a bunch of burnout professors with a chip on their shoulder who never got anywhere. You're time spent actually shooting stuff, actually cutting it yourself, will teach you more about how to make movies than any Film 101 class ever will.
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Here's what I'll say about film school in the year 2012: if you want that college experience, want that coming of age period, want to make some contacts, cool. But personally, I think you'd be better off spending that tuition money on gear. By a Zoom H4N, get a Macbook, get a Canon 5D and just start making movies. You're first movies will suck, but if you keep going you'll not only develop real skills but you'd also have the gear to make an acceptably professional product. You can spend less than 10 grand on gear that combined with real passion can get you into Cannes or Sundance. Take it from me, learning the theory and history of cinema from Netflix and DVD commentaries and watching a ****load of movies is just as useful as learning it from a bunch of burnout professors with a chip on their shoulder who never got anywhere. You're time spent actually shooting stuff, actually cutting it yourself, will teach you more about how to make movies than any Film 101 class ever will.
Thanks for the advice. I think I'll watch a few Netflix movies tonight.

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Here's what I'll say about film school in the year 2012: if you want that college experience, want that coming of age period, want to make some contacts, cool. But personally, I think you'd be better off spending that tuition money on gear. By a Zoom H4N, get a Macbook, get a Canon 5D and just start making movies. You're first movies will suck, but if you keep going you'll not only develop real skills but you'd also have the gear to make an acceptably professional product. You can spend less than 10 grand on gear that combined with real passion can get you into Cannes or Sundance. Take it from me, learning the theory and history of cinema from Netflix and DVD commentaries and watching a ****load of movies is just as useful as learning it from a bunch of burnout professors with a chip on their shoulder who never got anywhere. You're time spent actually shooting stuff, actually cutting it yourself, will teach you more about how to make movies than any Film 101 class ever will.
Those are all really good points, and totally valid. I'm actually working my way towards film school right now (have another year or prerequisites to get out of the way), but in the meantime I'm also shooting, editing and making my own short films and sending them off to film festivals. No reason you can't do both.

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I absolutely agree with this. I'm reading Robert Rodriguez's Rebel Without A Crew and it's amazing what he managed with almost no budget. Creativity, not money, makes a film great. A film can cost as much as $250 million and be complete devoid of any creativity, soul, or artistic merit. Most of the films I really, really love cost $10 million or less.
I own and have read that book and it definitely is a pretty damn good read.

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no offense - its not like any of you are Roman Polanski in real life.
but wouldn't that be a good thing, considering that, in REAL life, Roman Polanski is a child rapist?

But back on topic, I still haven't seen Following or Insomnia. I kept meaning to see Insomnia when it came out, based on how much I loved Memento, but for some reason never did, then I just keep forgetting about it.

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I really liked Insomnia, even if it is "minor Nolan."

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