how to fix wolverines character

[GuestStar2004]

now im sure i aint the only person to think he was at his best in xmen 1 and 2, and seem to lose something in the last 2

but what was it? and how to fix it?

you would think in his origin movie he would go even more darker, but he become never do wrong superhero sex symbol goody goody

in my appinion

[x-fan]

The problem is that Logan isn't a Hero he is an Anti-hero, meaning he is a bad guy that does good, they have turned him into a run of the mill good guy.

[The Executioner]

Exactly he needs to be the Wolverine on the big screen that he is in the comics.

[sabetoonth]

he needs blood and cigars, and alchohol, and ya know, to get violent again

[DarkSovereignty]

yeah i felt he was too tame especially in origins. like there was that one scene where he's talking to silver fox and he says that line "im the best there is at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice", i couldn't help but chuckle 'cause he really hadn't done anything to warrant that line. he served the military, thats about it. as a mercenary, he went on one mission and walked out because of the ethical ambiguity behind it, not very nice huh?

[Karelia]

I think they should also fix his claws. I didn't have any problems with them in the first 3 X-Men movies, but in XMOW they just didn't look good at all...

Maybe this one they'll get it right. Since Jackman has talked about the Japan storyline so much, it'll be more accurate to the comics.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Take off his restraining collar and make it R rated.

[sabetoonth]

IMO, R rated isnt nessasary to get an accurate depiction of him


and Karelia, i think they looked too CG in XMOW when he first unsheathes them

[Karelia]

Originally Posted by sabetoonth

IMO, R rated isnt nessasary to get an accurate depiction of him


and Karelia, i think they looked too CG in XMOW when he first unsheathes them

I think the most noticeable scene was when he was in the bathroom at the old folks home. People were whispering how bad they looked in theater. They were just bad...

I agree, you can get an accurate depiction of Wolverine without an R rating. I'll never understand the obsession to have R ratings for comic book movies.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Wolverine is potentially the most violent character in all of comics. He was made to kill. I feel the movies have a real watered down version of him, like they're afraid to let him cut loose. An R rated Wolverine movie is the only interest I have in this dwindling X-franchise.

[TheDarkKnight08]

Originally Posted by Karelia

I think the most noticeable scene was when he was in the bathroom at the old folks home. People were whispering how bad they looked in theater. They were just bad...

I agree, you can get an accurate depiction of Wolverine without an R rating. I'll never understand the obsession to have R ratings for comic book movies.

I'll agree with this to an extent. Wolverine is the kind of character that begs for an R-rating, due to his nature in the comics. He's a violent, sadistic brute who has a righteous amount of honor and bravery, enough to call him a hero of sorts. Anything less is watered-down, especially with a PG-13 rating. Any popular, sucessful depiction of Wolverine from the comics portrays him in a violent manner where he's relentless and angry, with gore splattering everywhere. It doesn't need to be taken to a Saw-like extreme, but enough so the audience understand the grimy and violent world that Wolverine lends himself to.

The best way to fix Wolverine is to take away his need to cry and break down every 5 minutes and for him to be much more cenetered, while displaying a agressive state of mind, as well as a focus on what he believes is right. Having him bawl about his girlfriends and back down from fights, particualrly fights that last 2 minutes is a huge mistake. He needs to be agressive, with a dark sense of humor, and a character that can described as unstoppable. Not just because he's got an indestructable metal in his bones, but becase he's just that good at what he does, and will accept nothing less.

An even better way is to make X-MO:W a dream, and re-do his origin with a better director and Fox's now present need to no longer **** up their own movies, but dreams can't come true.

[Karelia]

Yeah, I'd understand making Wolverine R. He is a violent character, it's just when people say that the movie will suck with a PG-13 rating and won't watch it because of the rating just annoys me. The rating isn't what will make or break a movie, at least to me.

If you go to the SHH main page and look at the Deadpool article, you'll see what I mean. It's ridiculous.

I agree with the crying part. xD

[danoyse]

The R-rating ain't ever gonna happen, but they'll bring it up like a broken record every time the movies are mentioned. I'd love it, but it's pointless to keep thinking it will happen.

They need fix it by: making it longer (seriously, XMO was shorter than Toy Story 3), making it more violent, using better special effects (no more Roger Rabbit claws, please), and having a stronger, more cohesive story.

The sad part is, all of that should be obvious.

[BigSams50]

Better looking claws have to be a must. They were just horrific in XMO

[Squidboy]

Originally Posted by DarkSovereignty

yeah i felt he was too tame especially in origins. like there was that one scene where he's talking to silver fox and he says that line "im the best there is at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice", i couldn't help but chuckle 'cause he really hadn't done anything to warrant that line. he served the military, thats about it. as a mercenary, he went on one mission and walked out because of the ethical ambiguity behind it, not very nice huh?

We never actually get a confirmation that the Africa mission was their first - I always assumed that they showed it only to give an idea of how Logan wasn't like the rest of the people Stryker associated with. They could've given much better pacing for things like this, but alas, Fox preferred to rush the beginning so Logan could get his metal claws already.

[danoyse]

Originally Posted by Squidboy

We never actually get a confirmation that the Africa mission was their first - I always assumed that they showed it only to give an idea of how Logan wasn't like the rest of the people Stryker associated with. They could've given much better pacing for things like this, but alas, Fox preferred to rush the beginning so Logan could get his metal claws already.

I don't think it was meant to be their first mission either. But it would have been nice to see Wolverine actually do something during that scene other than stand around and disapprove, if they were only going to show that one mission

[sabetoonth]

Originally Posted by Squidboy

We never actually get a confirmation that the Africa mission was their first - I always assumed that they showed it only to give an idea of how Logan wasn't like the rest of the people Stryker associated with. They could've given much better pacing for things like this, but alas, Fox preferred to rush the beginning so Logan could get his metal claws already.

Originally Posted by danoyse

I don't think it was meant to be their first mission either. But it would have been nice to see Wolverine actually do something during that scene other than stand around and disapprove, if they were only going to show that one mission

I think a mission montage would have been sufficient to clearly say this isnt the first mission, and yea, I'd like at least SOME blood, at LEAST, i mean, there was blood in his flashbacks in X2, and even just some splatter on the wall like in The Punisher when he slices the guys throat off screen in the end, we see blood splatter, a hard pg 13 i think would suffice to get across his violence and such. the bloodless XMOW did bug me, and the fact they bonded him to the metal not at the same place as X2

[Squidboy]

I guess Hood didn't want another set of montages after the opening credits, but it would've worked to the movie's advantage in the long run

[danoyse]

A second montage wouldn't have worked, since it would have been just a few minutes after the opening credits montage (which was one of the best parts of the film). But just a more detailed scene, or maybe a second mission where you got to see the other characters show off their powers some more - especially Wolverine, since he didn't get to do anything in the scene we got, and got to see how it went bad to justify him leaving.

In the end, the Team X scene's only purpose was to show where the adamantium came from, and even that was really a vague explanation.

I actually thought the Team X scene went really well, it just need to be so much more.

[hopefuldreamer]

They screwed up Wolverine (and upset the balance of the whole X-Men) when they made the entire trilogy Wolverine-centric storylines, with wolverine fighting for the truth/the girl.

Everyone else was just his supporting cast, and they still decided it needed a wolverine spin off... basically the exact same thing but this time at least they had the guts to call it 'Wolverine' instead of trying to pretend it was about the other X-men in any substantial way.

That is why I am seriously looking forward to First Class.

P.s. No offense to Hugh Jackman who I honest think played an amazing Wolverine. But the storylines and scripts and general direction of his character was just awful.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think that Wolverine started getting watered down after the first movie. The character wasn't exactly as I'd like to see him in the first film but he was still the Wolverine I knew and loved. He's all down hill from that film IMHO. The Wolverine movie just completely ruined the onscreen version of the charcter but it started with X2 IMHO.

[Squidboy]

Originally Posted by danoyse

A second montage wouldn't have worked, since it would have been just a few minutes after the opening credits montage (which was one of the best parts of the film). But just a more detailed scene, or maybe a second mission where you got to see the other characters show off their powers some more - especially Wolverine, since he didn't get to do anything in the scene we got, and got to see how it went bad to justify him leaving.

In the end, the Team X scene's only purpose was to show where the adamantium came from, and even that was really a vague explanation.

I actually thought the Team X scene went really well, it just need to be so much more.

It would've been cool to see Logan and Victor integrated into the team, with Logan being a little uneasy about the idea of working with the team, and Victor fitting in perfectly.

[danoyse]

Originally Posted by Squidboy

It would've been cool to see Logan and Victor integrated into the team, with Logan being a little uneasy about the idea of working with the team, and Victor fitting in perfectly.

It also would have been to nice to explain when he changed his name to Logan. That was the first thing my sister asked me after she saw the movie. It was never explained (we knew where it came from, but that had to be confusing for everyone else).

[DarkSovereignty]

one thing that i hope they work on his hair. i don't remember it being too bad in origins, but i remember his first scene in x2 when i caught it on FX a few months ago, i cracked up at how ridiculous it looked.it was just so obviously gelled, i don't mind them going for a "wild" look, but please, don't make it LOOK like he just had hair stylists slaving over his melon for an hour.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Originally Posted by danoyse

It also would have been to nice to explain when he changed his name to Logan. That was the first thing my sister asked me after she saw the movie. It was never explained (we knew where it came from, but that had to be confusing for everyone else).

Agreed. Glad I read Origin before seeing the movie, otherwise I'd be scratching my head with everyone else.