X-Men - Part 4

[Havok83]

ANX and UXM could end up being two of the best books in Marvel and people will still hate on it regardless bc Bendis' name is on the front

[runawayboulder]

I think his popularity began to wane right after Secret Invasion.

[Lord]

Bendis's still very popular, IGN even featured his run on Avengers in their "The 25 Greatest Avengers Stories" article

[CConn]

Originally Posted by Havok83

ANX and UXM could end up being two of the best books in Marvel and people will still hate on it regardless bc Bendis' name is on the front

God, stop being such an apologist.

I don't see any legions of people criticizing Bendis for Ultimate Comics Spider-Man. Do you know why? Because its actually good! I can admit that quite easily, despite your claims of bias.

The reason why people criticize Bendis for Avengers and ANX is because they're written badly. Not because of some half baked vendetta.

[CConn]

Originally Posted by JewishHobbit

I'm not saying Bendis is the best writer at Marvel or anything, I'm just saying that he's not as bad as people claim and I think he'll do a fine job on All New and Uncanny X-Men.

As far as his decompression goes, I think he's gotten better. Back when he used to write 6 issues per arc no matter what, it got old. He's moved away from that a bit though. Most of his stories seem to be 4 issues now (which is a good fit for him), though he does drag it out occassionally. The recent Norman Osborn story is an example of that. He's even written several done-in-one stories, such as Luke and Jessica's 1st date and most of the event tie-ins. Heck, his AvX tie-ins (in New Avengers) was some of the best stories to come out of that event.

His lack of decompression is part of the reason why I think New Avengers vol. 2 was some of his best work.

No, he's not as bad as people claim. He can churn out extremely good stories here and there.

But, personally, as I see Marvel's base of influence shifting to guys who continuously write extremely faced paced, exciting, inventive and exciting stories, I grow more tired of Bendis' meandering. I'd much prefer to have Aaron or Humphries or Remender leading the X-Men universe.

Hah! That's great.

Though I admit to struggling with coming up with examples of his doing this. The Scarlet Witch is the only thing I can think of. Most everything else is typically wrapped up within a year or two of being introduced. The Ultron War maybe.

There was a ton of stuff with his Avengers books. Jessica Drew's whole storyline, the whole Dark Avengers period, Sentry, etc.

[Havok83]

Originally Posted by CConn

God, stop being such an apologist.

I don't see any legions of people criticizing Bendis for Ultimate Comics Spider-Man. Do you know why? Because its actually good! I can admit that quite easily, despite your claims of bias.

The reason why people criticize Bendis for Avengers and ANX is because they're written badly. Not because of some half baked vendetta.

People were criticizing and slamming Bendis' X-men months ago before it was even officially announced he would be taking over. So yeah there is a bias bc the complaints and whining started when the original rumor popped up with people not wanting to give it a chance

[Anubis]

I'm not whining, I don't give a s**t about the X-Men anyway. I hope he reams em.

[Mad Ones]

It's also annoying when people want it to fail, and read the issues looking for things to criticize. I didn't think ANXM was perfect, but it was far far far from horrible. And that's with Marvel releasing over half the issue in previews.

[runawayboulder]

Originally Posted by Lord

Bendis's still very popular, IGN even featured his run on Avengers in their "The 25 Greatest Avengers Stories" article

I discount most of anything IGN does to begin with.

[Anubis]

Originally Posted by Mad Ones

It's also annoying when people want it to fail, and read the issues looking for things to criticize. I didn't think ANXM was perfect, but it was far far far from horrible. And that's with Marvel releasing over half the issue in previews.

Don't worry, if it really, really sucks, it will sell top ten for 10 years.

[JewishHobbit]

Originally Posted by CConn

There was a ton of stuff with his Avengers books. Jessica Drew's whole storyline, the whole Dark Avengers period, Sentry, etc.

I don't know. The initial Jessica Drew mystery (Hydra) was revealed after a year and concluded within the 2 year mark. That's not too bad. Then the Skrull plot was all within a year's time.

Sentry wasn't really a dragged out plot I don't think, nor were the Dark Avengers. We'll have to disagree on that one entirely.

[Havok83]

Dark Avengers was really good. Really dug that concept and the book

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Lord

Bendis's still very popular, IGN even featured his run on Avengers in their "The 25 Greatest Avengers Stories" article

We live in a comic book industry where Bendis can't even get Spider-Woman and Moon Knight to sell. Now you might say that Bendis had an uphill climb due to the fact that they're not widespread characters but keep in mind that Geoff Johns got Aquaman and Booster Gold to sell. Matt Fraction is getting Hawkeye to sell. Scott Snyder and Jeff Lemire are getting Swamp Thing and Animal Man to sell.

It's pretty clear that Bendis' name has diminished quite a bit over the past couple of years.

[Thwip!]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

We live in a comic book industry where Bendis can't even get Spider-Woman and Moon Knight to sell. Now you might say that Bendis had an uphill climb due to the fact that they're not widespread characters but keep in mind that Geoff Johns got Aquaman and Booster Gold to sell. Matt Fraction is getting Hawkeye to sell. Scott Snyder and Jeff Lemire are getting Swamp Thing and Animal Man to sell.

It's pretty clear that Bendis' name has diminished quite a bit over the past couple of years.

And man do I love me some Moon Knight

[runawayboulder]

That Hawkeye book is selling well?

[Specter313]

Originally Posted by runawayboulder

That Hawkeye book is selling well?

I think last I saw it was right around the middle of the top 100. Not impressive numbers but not near cancellation range yet. Probably only get 24 issues max, which were more than MK and SW got.

[TheCorpulent1]

Shame. It's a pretty terrible series.

But Thor's good again, so I don't really care what else is happening in the realm of comicdom right now.

[JewishHobbit]

I only read the first issue of Hawkeye, and it would have been decent if not for how he overwrote one of the characters. "Bro" was in there about 20 times and got annoying. I've skimmed the next issue or two and they look decent but I can't afford another title. I've considered buying it though because I like Kate Bishop. Hawkeye, however, I can take or leave. Not a good mindset going into a title all about them. Then again, I was the same with Iron Fist going into Immortal Iron Fist. Then again... this is a different Fraction.

[roach]

Originally Posted by Thwip!

And man do I love me some Moon Knight

Moonknight is one of my top characters and I picked up the first issue against my reservations about Bendis...I didnt pick up the second one.

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought the "bro" gag was kind of funny, myself. But I read until #2 when Clint and Kate happily, cavalierly crippled a bunch of guys. That pretty much told me Fraction doesn't understand the characters at all and is just writing... I don't know, basically himself, maybe--any 20-something underachiever, really--and calling him Hawkeye.

[JewishHobbit]

Originally Posted by roach

Moonknight is one of my top characters and I picked up the first issue against my reservations about Bendis...I didnt pick up the second one.

I only read up to maybe 8 or 9 but I enjoyed what I'd read up to that point. Agan, I'm not a huge Moon Knight fan and know little of him outside of guest appearances, so that probably helped. The story itself was good though.

[hippie_hunter]

Hawkeye is making bank in digital downloads and last time I checked it's still at around 35k.

[runawayboulder]

I'm sure Fraction will bail on it before it hits 24 issues.

[Donnie Darko]

So, if you are Beast, and you have access to time travel, instead of going back in time to get the original teenage X-Men, why not go back in time and have a sit-down with the Avengers and X-Men and tell them what is about to go down, since you are the one man both teams would trust?

[OutcryX]

Originally Posted by Donnie Darko

So, if you are Beast, and you have access to time travel, instead of going back in time to get the original teenage X-Men, why not go back in time and have a sit-down with the Avengers and X-Men and tell them what is about to go down, since you are the one man both teams would trust?

Stop making sense! That doesn't sell teh comix!