All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - Part 13

[Super Kal]

Originally Posted by Llama_Shepherd

The apparent absence of Lex Luthor already shows the film is very different to Flyby.

again, never said it was "exactly" like it.

[protocida]

It's nothing like it.

[Super Kal]

Originally Posted by protocida

It's nothing like it.

to you, maybe, but not to me... i do see similarities. and until they do some rumor control, that will be my continual concern

[STARMAN]

Right now I don't see many similarities story-wise with Superman:Flyby. Maybe they used the same concept artists and have some visual similarities. I don't know. But the story seems different. The idea of Clark Kent as a fisherman in Alaska appears to be brand new.

[Zionite1]

Originally Posted by Super Kal

yes, i said i saw SIMILARITIES... never said it was GOING to be a failure, smart one... and as of now, yep, it looks very similar to FlyBy to me... and you're right, it ALL is speculation, because we know absolutely nothing about the whereabouts from where they got their designs from, and until that time in which we do find out where it came, there will continue to be speculation.

to you it may be baseless, because of your unrelenting faith in Snyder and Nolan, but to me it's not baseless. it's a general concern, and until it's settled, it will continue to be a concern.

I do not find your concerns baseless becuse of my "unrelenting faith in snyder and Nolan"-in fact i have some issues with them.I find your concerns baseless becuse there is no proof at all that any of the horrible ideas from the flyby script will be in MOS.And Yet you say you can see Mos borrowing a Lot of flyby elements.Based on nothing more than seeing a few costumes-worry based on rumours speculations,that you declare as fact.Hence baselss concerns.
But what really gets me about your concernsis the way you constantly whine about them as though they are fact and the way you put down fans for not sharing your sentiments-calling them Nolan/snyder lovers.Its just annoying

[Super Kal]

1. i never said it was fact. i specifically said it was SPECULATION.
2. i said "I" saw similarities... me. personally. didnt say you, or any other person on this forum.
3. AGAIN, i NEVER said it was fact. thats you putting words into my posts.

what i find annoying are those who love this film and its production- which is COMPLETELY and ABSOLUTELY fine by me, i have no problem with that whatsoever- and yet, when someone disagrees with them, they scream, hollar, and resort to name calling and being completely inconsiderate to others because they has a differing opinion...

and the truth is, there is no proof at all that ideas and concepts have not been taken from FlyBy... and that's the main point im making: i dont know. you dont know. NO ONE knows besides those working on the movie... this is why i would love to hear some news on this, and some rumor control

again, i got no problem with someone liking this movie, in fact i can still have a civil discussion with those people from time to time, and i have no beef with them whatsoever... but not everyone is going to agree with them 100% of the time.

[Zionite1]

Originally Posted by Super Kal

1. i never said it was fact. i specifically said it was SPECULATION.
2. i said "I" saw similarities... me. personally. didnt say you, or any other person on this forum.
3. AGAIN, i NEVER said it was fact. thats you putting words into my posts.

Heres what you said

Originally Posted by Super Kal

there were a lot of things that went into that failed movie attempt, and a lot of those ideas are being implemented into this movie... i for one whole-heartedly disagree with it.

You flat out stated here that flyby ideas are being implemented into MOS movie-no speculating-you stated it outright like it was a fact .This was what prompted me to ask you what ideas are you talking about-and all you cld give was flimsy specualtion which you admitted.

Originally Posted by Super Kal

and the truth is, there is no proof at all that ideas and concepts
have not been taken from FlyBy... and that's the main point im making: i dont know. you dont know. NO ONE knows besides those working on the movie... this is why i would love to hear some news on this, and some rumor control

Protocida has answered this part perfectly.

[solidsnake86]

Its an origin story, of course its going to be similar to the fly-by script in certain respects. Heck, its going to be similar to STM, birthright, earth one, etc. They've told the origin so many times there is going to be overlap.

But ultimately who cares. Enjoy the ride of the film being made and judge the story decisions when you watch the film.

Suprisingly we have only seen one official picture from last summer. They have kept this film under wraps pretty well.

[Super Kal]

when i look at the suit, yes, i DO see it, and so do others on this message board, so dont try and single me out as some lone crazy person.

does Protocida work for Snyder? NO
so does he know everything? NO

im through discussing this with you over and over, because you refuse to even read what i write, and i'm getting tired re-iterating myself constantly.

[Zionite1]

No you are tired of debating becuse I just pionyed out the biggest flaws in your arguements.Saying I refuse to even read what i write is pure bull,when what Im doing is actually attacking what you are writing.Dude I quoted you enough times flat out stating that Mos is implementing a lot of flyby elements.You cant deny it because itd there.You cant also deny that it is all specualtion thus making your whining baseless and piontless.So yeah you re done

[solidsnake86]

Originally Posted by Zionite1

No you are tired of debating becuse I just pionyed out the biggest flaws in your arguements.Saying I refuse to even read what i write is pure bull,when what Im doing is actually attacking what you are writing.Dude I quoted you enough times flat out stating that Mos is implementing a lot of flyby elements.You cant deny it because itd there.You cant also deny that it is all specualtion thus making your whining baseless and piontless.So yeah you re done

If he irritates you that much you could just put him on ignore. He's not going to change his opinion anyways and no amount of debate will matter.

[Super Kal]

Originally Posted by solidsnake86

Its an origin story, of course its going to be similar to the fly-by script in certain respects. Heck, its going to be similar to STM, birthright, earth one, etc. They've told the origin so many times there is going to be overlap.

But ultimately who cares. Enjoy the ride of the film being made and judge the story decisions when you watch the film.

Suprisingly we have only seen one official picture from last summer. They have kept this film under wraps pretty well.

well, personally, i think it's been kept under wraps too well, but thats just me...
i dont like not knowing whats going on when it comes to a movie. i do personally hope my concerns arent true, and that Snyder and Co. release something to quell us over for a good while... maybe im just getting really anxious about the lack of news.

[Deathlok]

I'm glad we don't know all that much. I want to be blown away by the experience at the cinema.

[Super Kal]

Originally Posted by solidsnake86

If he irritates you that much you could just put him on ignore. He's not going to change his opinion anyways and no amount of debate will matter.

i've already put him on ignore, because i dont give a crap anymore for what he has to say on the matter, and you're exactly right- my opinion will not change because of him. my opinion will change when we get either new news, or when i see the movie.

[solidsnake86]

Originally Posted by Super Kal

well, personally, i think it's been kept under wraps too well, but thats just me...
i dont like not knowing whats going on when it comes to a movie. i do personally hope my concerns arent true, and that Snyder and Co. release something to quell us over for a good while... maybe im just getting really anxious about the lack of news.

I do think they have to gain some awareness and agree with you about keeping it too underwraps. But realistically, them releasing a pic or 2 on the internet is basically for fans so they aren't going to be winning anyone over. And with your opinion towards the costume it would just be negative talk, lol. I assume you will be going to watch it when it comes out to theater anyways.

The trailer will be the bigger thing in terms of general audience.

I enjoy reading info as well but sometimes I find its worse because things are taken out of context. Its like when we get lines from the script or something. Everyone immediately calls it horrible dialogue. But does anyone really know what "horrible" dialogue is. It really comes down to the delivery of the actor.

[Krumm]

I think I'll sidetrack the conversation at bit...

Anyone planning on going to Cleveland soon?

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/0...erman-exhibit/

[stingerman]

Originally Posted by DoomsdayApex

Nothing.

The concept to Man of Steel was pieced together from not only JJ Abrams' script and numerous comics (such as Birthright, All-Star, Secret Origins, Red Son, etc), but with Goyer's and The Nolans' own ideas to the character and his mythos/universe -- a Superman living in our world.

Snyder had his 300 writer rewrite the Goyer script, presumably because Nolan and Goyer's script wasn't good.

Though we don't know how much of a rewrite, I suppose.

[DoomsdayApex]

Originally Posted by stingerman

Snyder had his 300 writer rewrite the Goyer script, presumably because Nolan and Goyer's script wasn't good.

Though we don't know how much of a rewrite, I suppose.

I havent read that anywhere.

I, however, heard that writer was brought in to reinforce the third act -- NOT rewrite the screenplay.

[protocida]

Goyer confirmed the Script is all his.

[DoomsdayApex]

I just hope The Nolans did enough to steer Goyer in the right direction. David's writing has always been subpar. If there's anything that concerns me about this movie, it would have to be Goyer's involvement with the screenplay.

[Super Kal]

Originally Posted by protocida

Goyer confirmed the Script is all his.

a link for this would be great, and would ease my concern

[STARMAN]

A couple of weeks ago David Goyer answered some questions about the Man of Steel script on his internet blog. A link was posted a while back.

He said he was on the set quite of bit doing rewrites. He also said the script was entirely his.

[Léo Ho Tep]

I remember reading the interview where David stated this, but I don't have a link. I'm not scared by the lack of new, I think they are playing it safe for now. They want to attack viewers with marketing in the last months before the release.

[Krumm]

Originally Posted by Super Kal

a link for this would be great, and would ease my concern

Here's the original post:

http://forums.superherohype.com/show...&postcount=969

[Moridin]

Originally Posted by protocida

Goyer confirmed the Script is all his.

Yep, and that's my single biggest worry for MoS. Goyer flat out isn't a good script writer. He needs other talented writers to work with.

Snyder has the visuals covered and can get good performances from his cast but if the script isn't there...

Also it's annoying how much people are overstating the Nolans bros. involvement. In some cases it's practically to where some act like C Nolan is calling the shots, when he made it quite clear that he stepped back once the reigns were in Snyder's hands.
I had a guy in the TASM forum a few weeks back saying that J Nolan wrote the MoS script and didn't mention Goyer at all.