When and how should Gwen Stacy die? - Part 1

[©KAW]

Because Gwen is his first love, she needs to be seen more before introducing another key love interest.

[spideyboy_1111]

not really.. first loves don't always mean they have to last a long time...

love is crazy. you can be with someone a short time and they can be more impactful in your life than someone who lasts longer.

[©KAW]

Yes it does, if you really want to make an impact before she is killed.

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by ©KAW

Yes it does, if you really want to make an impact before she is killed.

Sounds like so far she's made quite an impact. Build more of it up in 2. Escalating the relationship and kill her at the end its quite enough time

[©KAW]

True to a point.

Although I don't want to see Gwen die in the sequel, her death should be held at the end of ASMIII.

[TheWallCrawler]

But that wouldn't be a fitting ending for a trilogy. I mean, I hated that the Raimi trilogy ended on a sad note, and killing her then would be even sadder

[mr. peasant]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

and?

most people don't research characters in films online... only we do that because we love the genre....

people didn't know who the green goblin was (and their was google then), nor did they know who gwen stacy was in spider-man 3 (or that she died), and even though she was in spidey 3... people STILL didn't know who she was in this film...

so yeah... you give people far too much credit.

Well, clearly a sufficient number of people read online; considering there is an entire industry for online entertainment news with paid staff and professional reporters who work there full-time.


P.S.: Just to be clear, I'm talking about stuff like VH1, MTV and USA Today; who have all spoiled Gwen's death in the comics.

[Oscorp]

We will probably not for a very, very long time have the chance to see the Death of Gwen Stacy story be adapted to the big screen again. The next reboot won't want to build up the Peter and Gwen relationship all over again, especially not since it's so well handled in Webb's story (so far). The next reboot wouldn't want to be too similar to this one.

So this might be the only chance we get for an extremely long time to finally get this epic moment on the big screen, one of the most legendary comic book moments ever in fact.

Add to that:

1) That Webb loves that story arc and has hinted at it in interviews several times. The fact that Webb, a character director who really gets emotions, seems eager to do this story is a huge opportunity. Don't waste that!

2) That Arad, who's the big boss of all this, and has alot to say in regards to the story, hinted at it as well in an interview. He basically said that they used Gwen in ASM because of her famous story and ultimate fate.

3) That Emma herself almost seems to demand this event to happen in this trilogy in several interviews. She's mentioned it so many times how much she wants it to happen and that it should happen exactly like the comic books, that it almost seems as if she's told by Arad/Webb that it's the plan and now she's hinting at it. She should know at least something about the plans of her character in the trilogy.

4)

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

The whole promise thing at the end of ASM is an extremely clear hint that it's almost impossible to miss it. To not think that this point alone is enough to see that Gwen's ultimate fate is supposed to happen in this trilogy whether you want it or not is just stupid and ignorant.

5) Norman Osborn has this huge presence in the movie without being seen. We know for sure that he will be the big main of this trilogy. Sure, Green Goblin could appear without killing off Gwen, but do some simple logic thinking, put two and two togehter and you'll see how much they build up for this to happen.

It WILL happen, and I love that!

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by mr. peasant

Well, clearly a sufficient number of people read online; considering there is an entire industry for online entertainment news with paid staff and professional reporters who work there full-time.


P.S.: Just to be clear, I'm talking about stuff like VH1, MTV and USA Today; who have all spoiled Gwen's death in the comics.

And Im still saying thats still a minority who pay attention to that.

He'll i had some of the same people who asked who gwen was in Spider-man 3 ask me again with this film. You give people far too much credit. They don't pay attention nor care as much as we do.

[mr. peasant]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

And Im still saying thats still a minority who pay attention to that.

He'll i had some of the same people who asked who gwen was in Spider-man 3 ask me again with this film. You give people far too much credit. They don't pay attention nor care as much as we do.

And I think you give people too little credit. But let's agree to disagree.

A bigger concern I have is one of time; as in there's likely not enough time to juggle her death with the various other subplots already started by the movie; and that adding this risks causing one or more to go underdeveloped or be aborted entirely.

[UltimateWebhead]

Originally Posted by Oscorp

We will probably not for a very, very long time have the chance to see the Death of Gwen Stacy story be adapted to the big screen again. The next reboot won't want to build up the Peter and Gwen relationship all over again, especially not since it's so well handled in Webb's story (so far). The next reboot wouldn't want to be too similar to this one.

So this might be the only chance we get for an extremely long time to finally get this epic moment on the big screen, one of the most legendary comic book moments ever in fact.

Add to that:

1) That Webb loves that story arc and has hinted at it in interviews several times. The fact that Webb, a character director who really gets emotions, seems eager to do this story is a huge opportunity. Don't waste that!

2) That Arad, who's the big boss of all this, and has alot to say in regards to the story, hinted at it as well in an interview. He basically said that they used Gwen in ASM because of her famous story and ultimate fate.

3) That Emma herself almost seems to demand this event to happen in this trilogy in several interviews. She's mentioned it so many times how much she wants it to happen and that it should happen exactly like the comic books, that it almost seems as if she's told by Arad/Webb that it's the plan and now she's hinting at it. She should know at least something about the plans of her character in the trilogy.

4)

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

The whole promise thing at the end of ASM is an extremely clear hint that it's almost impossible to miss it. To not think that this point alone is enough to see that Gwen's ultimate fate is supposed to happen in this trilogy whether you want it or not is just stupid and ignorant.

5) Norman Osborn has this huge presence in the movie without being seen. We know for sure that he will be the big main of this trilogy. Sure, Green Goblin could appear without killing off Gwen, but do some simple logic thinking, put two and two togehter and you'll see how much they build up for this to happen.

It WILL happen, and I love that!

I enjoyed reading this post and I, Ultimate-ly, agree with it.

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by mr. peasant

And I think you give people too little credit. But let's agree to disagree.

A bigger concern I have is one of time; as in there's likely not enough time to juggle her death with the various other subplots already started by the movie; and that adding this risks causing one or more to go underdeveloped or be aborted entirely.

by your logic though, people should have known who gwen was (or recognized the name) from spider-man 3... and guess what. They didn't.

[Picard Sisko]

Originally Posted by Oscorp

We will probably not for a very, very long time have the chance to see the Death of Gwen Stacy story be adapted to the big screen again. The next reboot won't want to build up the Peter and Gwen relationship all over again, especially not since it's so well handled in Webb's story (so far). The next reboot wouldn't want to be too similar to this one.

So this might be the only chance we get for an extremely long time to finally get this epic moment on the big screen, one of the most legendary comic book moments ever in fact.

Add to that:

1) That Webb loves that story arc and has hinted at it in interviews several times. The fact that Webb, a character director who really gets emotions, seems eager to do this story is a huge opportunity. Don't waste that!

2) That Arad, who's the big boss of all this, and has alot to say in regards to the story, hinted at it as well in an interview. He basically said that they used Gwen in ASM because of her famous story and ultimate fate.

3) That Emma herself almost seems to demand this event to happen in this trilogy in several interviews. She's mentioned it so many times how much she wants it to happen and that it should happen exactly like the comic books, that it almost seems as if she's told by Arad/Webb that it's the plan and now she's hinting at it. She should know at least something about the plans of her character in the trilogy.

4)

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

The whole promise thing at the end of ASM is an extremely clear hint that it's almost impossible to miss it. To not think that this point alone is enough to see that Gwen's ultimate fate is supposed to happen in this trilogy whether you want it or not is just stupid and ignorant.

5) Norman Osborn has this huge presence in the movie without being seen. We know for sure that he will be the big main of this trilogy. Sure, Green Goblin could appear without killing off Gwen, but do some simple logic thinking, put two and two togehter and you'll see how much they build up for this to happen.

It WILL happen, and I love that!

Agreed!

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by Picard Sisko

Agreed!

2nded

[Rogue Kira]

Originally Posted by ©KAW

Because Gwen is his Second love, she needs to be seen more before introducing another key love interest.

Don't forget betty brant lol.

[Human Torch]

I think having Gwen die at the end of the trilogy would be way too much of a downer.
However,judging by the overly somber tone TASM had,I'm sure it wouldn't seem out of place.

[GwensNeckBrace]

Like others said, I feel like if she dies at the end of the trilogy, it'd end on a really sad note. If this is going to be a trilogy, I say kill her off in the second movie. But if there were say, four films, then I'd say develop her better in the second and kill her off in the third. And the comic scene would be SO BEAUTIFUL if they transitioned it onto film. I only want Gwen to die if her character is developed and they don't F it up.

[©KAW]

Seriously, what's the matter with ending the franchise on a sad note, I'm sure they'll be enough light-hearted moments within the film itself?

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by ©KAW

Seriously, what's the matter with ending the franchise on a sad note, I'm sure they'll be enough light-hearted moments within the film itself?

because, and especially in this case. it's important to see where he goes after such a loss... it'd actually probably piss off the general audience to have it end like that as well

[mr. peasant]

Originally Posted by GwensNeckBrace

Like others said, I feel like if she dies at the end of the trilogy, it'd end on a really sad note. If this is going to be a trilogy, I say kill her off in the second movie. But if there were say, four films, then I'd say develop her better in the second and kill her off in the third. And the comic scene would be SO BEAUTIFUL if they transitioned it onto film. I only want Gwen to die if her character is developed and they don't F it up.

Of course, killing her off in the second movie of a trilogy, especially if by arch-nemesis Green Goblin, would just draw parallels to Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy.


But if a downer ending is the main goal, what about doing what Ultimate did and end the story arc/trilogy by killing off Peter Parker instead?

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by mr. peasant

Of course, killing her off in the second movie of a trilogy, especially if by arch-nemesis Green Goblin, would just draw parallels to Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy.


But if a downer ending is the main goal, what about doing what Ultimate did and end the story arc/trilogy by killing off Peter Parker instead?

well to be fair... Gwen IS an actual love interest... she LOVES him. Rachel did not return bruce's feelings... and TDK wouldn't be the first trilogy to have the 2nd film be a downer....

[mr. peasant]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

well to be fair... Gwen IS an actual love interest... she LOVES him. Rachel did not return bruce's feelings... and TDK wouldn't be the first trilogy to have the 2nd film be a downer....

Fair or not, I'm just pointing out what will invariably happen media-wise. They are sufficiently similar; the least of which being that they're both summer action movies based on comic books from rivaling companies. This, alone, would be enough for the media to draw comparisons between the two.

Incidentally, being a 'love interest' has very little to do with it. They'd both female characters that the respective heroes care a lot about and who wind up dying as a result of the hero failing to save them in time and were killed (both, in-story and from the writer's intentions) to induce angst and trauma for the hero in question rather than for anything relating to their own identities.

[©KAW]

F--- the media! This is the death of Gwen Stacy, and I don't want some 'happy-go-lucky I feel like dancing and air humpin' when she dies' ending.

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by mr. peasant

Fair or not, I'm just pointing out what will invariably happen media-wise. They are sufficiently similar; the least of which being that they're both summer action movies based on comic books from rivaling companies. This, alone, would be enough for the media to draw comparisons between the two.

Incidentally, being a 'love interest' has very little to do with it. They'd both female characters that the respective heroes care a lot about and who wind up dying as a result of the hero failing to save them in time and were killed (both, in-story and from the writer's intentions) to induce angst and trauma for the hero in question rather than for anything relating to their own identities.

meh. i rarely see the media "compare" comic films... unless it's a reboot of a past film of the same character. The only people that will honestly compare this.... are nolanites and douchey bat-fans (note to all, not all bat-fans are douchey, i'm just talking about those who are douchey)

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by ©KAW

F--- the media! This is the death of Gwen Stacy, and I don't want some 'happy-go-lucky I feel like dancing and air humpin' when she dies' ending.

.... um people don't want that either. which is why many prefer she dies in the middle of the trilogy rather than the end