Thor 2 Dark World news, speculation and pictures possible Spoilers - Part 4

[Moonwing]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

I'd say the Infinity Gauntlet and the Tesseract (Cosmic Cube) *are* "really important" to Thanos, since they're intimately attached to everything about the character.

And Thanos is not even remotely the sort of dime-store villain who goes around making idle threats. He does what he says. And when he wants something, like the Gauntlet or the Cube, he doesn't stop until he gets it. He said, through The Other, that there's no place in the universe that Loki can hide from him, and by Odin, I believe him.

Yep, they are important but first Infinity Gauntlet was nothing but some sort of 1 sec cameo (that imo teased Thanos involvement with the Avengers more than anything) and second this thing easily may be a copy of the real one.

I really do not think that marvel will make this movie direct sequel to Avengers and prologue to Avengers 2 (while IM3 and CA:TWS will be about their own staff) the need in GotG is zero in this case.

[Crimson King]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

Loki will have a roll. But he will not be the mastermind behind every freakin event in the MCU. Directly, he probably won't have an influence on the climax of this film. Surtur will be pulling the strings. Loki won't run to him.

So...why have Loki in the film if he does nothing? He needs to have some significant role in the story to justify bringing Hiddleston into the movie.

[American Maid]

Originally Posted by Crimson King

So...why have Loki in the film if he does nothing? He needs to have some significant role in the story to justify bringing Hiddleston into the movie.

What he needs to do is receive the punishment that he has so richly earned. If he does nothing else, that will be enough.

I don't see how they could leave that out of the movie.

[Crimson King]

I'm sure he'll be punished. That's one of the things I'm really curious to see--how will Odin handle it? Handing Loki over to Hela would be pretty cool to see.

[American Maid]

Originally Posted by Crimson King

I'm sure he'll be punished. That's one of the things I'm really curious to see--how will Odin handle it? Handing Loki over to Hela would be pretty cool to see.

Whatever they do, I think the movie will go easier on him than the Norse myth did.

[DarthSkywalker]

I think we are going to see a lot of family drama with Loki. Visits from his mother, father and brother to his cell, his musings and Odin's struggle with exactly what to do with him.

Perhaps even a scene with Sif or more likely Jane about the natural of Thor. Place some doubt in her head over whether Odin could ever fully accept her or she could ever truly fulfill the needs of a man like Thor.

[American Maid]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

I think we are going to see a lot of family drama with Loki. Visits from his mother, father and brother to his cell, his musings and Odin's struggle with exactly what to do with him.

I can see that (and would enjoy such scenes). And it is a tough question.

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

Perhaps even a scene with Sif or more likely Jane about the natural of Thor. Place some doubt in her head.

Do you mean a scene (with Loki?) about the nature of Thor? And placing doubts in which head--Sif's or Jane's? (or both?)

The latter seems quite in line with the hints we've gotten. Kevin Feige had said of Thor and Jane in the first film, "Really, they were only together for three days [which is being generous; it's actually about 36 hours], and . . . Do they know each other?"

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by American Maid

I can see that (and would enjoy such scenes). And it is a tough question.




Do you mean a scene (with Loki?) about the nature of Thor? And placing doubts in which head--Sif's or Jane's? (or both?)

The latter seems quite in line with the hints we've gotten. Kevin Feige had said of Thor and Jane in the first film, "Really, they were only together for three days [which is being generous; it's actually about 36 hours], and . . . Do they know each other?"

It would be with Jane. As you pointed to, they really don't know one another and he is basically an immortal God. A lot of potential for there to be a mess. Could Thor truly love her? Will he grow tired of her? Could she give him children? What is she compared to someone like Sif or other Asgardian females?

With Sif it would probably be taunting her about her feelings for Thor, who has never seen her in such a manner.

[American Maid]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

It would be with Jane. As you pointed to, they really don't know one another and he is basically an immortal God. A lot of potential for there to be a mess. Could Thor truly love her? Will he grow tired of her? Could she give him children? What is she compared to someone like Sif or other Asgardian females?

Well, hopefully Jane has enough sense (or figures out) it's best to talk to Thor about whether Thor could truly love her. If Loki thinks Thor is sincere about her, I could see him sowing all sorts of doubt with the aim of messing with him. (After all, Loki did something along those lines in the Simonson run, too.)

Thor may also have his doubts as to whether he is best for Jane, btw. I just watched TA again the other night, and he has a line in there to the effect that the various humans he met on his last visit probably would have been better off if he had never come to earth. He may primarily be referring to Selvig's plight, but I still thought it was interesting.

I don't see the immortality being an obstacle per se. (For example, the Highlander fell in love with a woman from the modern era in his titular movie.) And I think the idea of kids is the least of their worries at this stage of the game (and there are plenty of gods from plenty of pantheons who have plenty of kids with earthlings).

Another obstacle for these two is this: they appear to be portraying Asgard as being essentially medieval, with a feudal political system. (Actual Vikings were self-governing, but this difference is not germaine to my point.) Jane, on the other hand, is most certainly a child of the Enlightenment. Since this story is being written for modern audiences, who are also heavily influenced by the Enlightenment, I doubt they will write Thor as being completely pre-Enlightenment. But still, they may have very different assumptions about any of a number of things. It could be quite interesting.

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

With Sif it would probably be taunting her about her feelings for Thor, who has never seen her in such a manner.

I can see that. I have the impression that in the books there's a lot of animosity between them.

[Adamantium]

What are your thoughts if they are vague and barely touch on Loki's punishment or anything related to The Avengers?

I don't think it will happen but it has crossed my mind that I wouldn't put it past them to do just that. However, they need to expand upon Thor and Loki's talk on the mountain and Loki's perception of what happened at the end of Thor. Meaning I hope they go into depth about where Loki went and what secrets did he learn etc....and basically just expand on all of that.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by Crimson King

So...why have Loki in the film if he does nothing? He needs to have some significant role in the story to justify bringing Hiddleston into the movie.

Receive punishment, etc. Contrary to what some people may think, or hope, the center story does NOT have to revolve around Loki.

He can be in it, and not be the MAIN villain, and not be the cause of the main villains. His role I am sure will be a bit more minor compared to the last two films. He will be punished. and may make a deal or two. But there is no doubt that he WILL NOT be the mastermind. The last two movies featuring thor has had loki the mastermind.

[American Maid]

Originally Posted by Adamantium

What are your thoughts if they are vague and barely touch on Loki's punishment or anything related to The Avengers?

Fine by me. I think we need to see that he faces Asgardian justice. But we don't need to dwell on it.

Originally Posted by Adamantium

However, they need to expand upon Thor and Loki's talk on the mountain and Loki's perception of what happened at the end of Thor. Meaning I hope they go into depth about where Loki went and what secrets did he learn etc....and basically just expand on all of that.

Exploring Loki's perception could be interesting.

I suspect that they will only give us bits and pieces concerning where Loki went, what he learned, etc. The reason I say that is that to say more might reveal more of the uber-plot (the plot spanning all the MCU movies) than they would prefer at this time.

[Crimson King]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

Receive punishment, etc. Contrary to what some people may think, or hope, the center story does NOT have to revolve around Loki.

He can be in it, and not be the MAIN villain, and not be the cause of the main villains. His role I am sure will be a bit more minor compared to the last two films. He will be punished. and may make a deal or two. But there is no doubt that he WILL NOT be the mastermind. The last two movies featuring thor has had loki the mastermind.

Well, to be technical, Loki wasn't the mastermind behind the events of Avengers. Regardless, you'll get no argument from me that someone else needs to take center stage as Thor's enemy. I'm simply trying to be realistic. Hiddleston's popularity will see to it that he has a prominent role in the movie. What that is, I don't know, but I have a hard time believing it will just be a punishment scene.

[Neo_3]

Originally Posted by Crimson King

Well, to be technical, Loki wasn't the mastermind behind the events of Avengers. Regardless, you'll get no argument from me that someone else needs to take center stage as Thor's enemy. I'm simply trying to be realistic. Hiddleston's popularity will see to it that he has a prominent role in the movie. What that is, I don't know, but I have a hard time believing it will just be a punishment scene.

[cherokeesam]

I think Neo3 may be onto something there.

Defense attorney's best advice to Loki: the best way to redeem yourself to Daddy and Big Brother is to stand with them in defense of Asgard from a big honkin' fire giant. Oh yeah

[jonathancrane]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

I think Neo3 may be onto something there.

Defense attorney's best advice to Loki: the best way to redeem yourself to Daddy and Big Brother is to stand with them in defense of Asgard from a big honkin' fire giant. Oh yeah

Or the Children of Tomorrow.

[TacomaTruck90]

I just thought of this, I wonder how there going to protray Dr. Selvig if he's in TDW, in the Avengers he was forced under his own will to create a portal that brough in an Alien invasion that kill hundreds and wrecked manhattan..

[itchyscratch]

Hopefully Thor will have to drag Loki around to a few places in order to sort out the mess he created. I can't see him spending the whole movie locked up. I'd like to see Loki wrangling with his emotions if/when Thor needs his help and also seeing how he reacts if/when Thor has to protect him.

[Orphix]

I have always felt that this will be a Loki/Thor 'teamup movie' of sorts. Of course their motives will be different but ultimately they will side with one another to get the job done. Thor to save the world - Loki for unlimited power!!

It maybe somewhat similar to x2 when Magneto and Xavier unite in order to face another foe.

[M-2]

I was thinking If HELA is to be introduced in Thor, should they keep Loki as her father? Essentially in Thor they just say magic is science in Asgard, but they never really dealt with their apparent immortality/mortality/age..

In the beginning of Thor, we see Odin battle the frost giants in AD 960 (I think or close to to it) after the battle he takes baby Loki, which will put Loki's age at just about over a Thousand Years... So it's quite possible that he had a daughter in this time...

We also know that Thor has been to earth before, as Fandral said to him, "it's not like a trip to earth when you summon a bit of lightening and the humans praise you as a god" and we basically know Norse Mythlogy dates as far back as the 11th century - 18th century.

I hope they do keep Loki as the father of Hela if she is introduced...

But I'm wondering if they will deal with this age/immortality thing? Will they just follow the comics and say its because they eat Golden Apples? Or will they do something different and maybe say that Time between the realms move differently or something like that?

[chamber-music]

I think Loki will need Asgards protection. Thanos is going to be after him after his failure on Earth.

Loki is a manipulative douche with issues but even he knows that he can't protect himself on his own from Thanos and his army.

Even though Loki pretty much hates Thor, Odin and the rest of Asgard he knows that they are the only ones who would protect him from Thanos wrath.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Godzilla2000

Yes, but you base your opinion not on anything you've seen from the movie production and more about your feelings on his appearances in the comic books. You have to have an open mind and trust that Christopher Eccleston will make you love the character with his performance. Just to give you some examples of this I am quite tepid about Doctor Octopus in the comics but I love Alfred Molina's portrayal in the Raimi movie. Also I am not Scarecrow's biggest fan but the way that he was presented in Batman Begins was a surprising delight for me. Just give the character a chance in the live action film will ya?

We'll see when the trailers for T:TDW start rolling in, but until then I'm not going to be that excited for him.

[Oberon sexton]

So you're taking the Tom Hardy as Bane pre-footage approach?


Hela, if she appears, she shouldn't be Loki's daughter. They never really used the relationship in any meaningful way in the comics and I don't think it'd make any sense in the film universe nor would it serve any greater purpose.

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by Oberon sexton

So you're taking the Tom Hardy as Bane pre-footage approach?


Hela, if she appears, she shouldn't be Loki's daughter. They never really used the relationship in any meaningful way in the comics and I don't think it'd make any sense in the film universe nor would it serve any greater purpose.

Agreed, plus a lot of the key relationships within the X-Men Family group was never played up or even established within the X-Men films, and heck, isn't Sif supposed to be related with Heimdell? So I don't think that they'll be going with a father-daughter relationship with Loki and Hela.

[Oberon sexton]

Yeah Sif was Heimdell's sister. Don't see that happening