MCU Phase 3: Have it your way

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by kaijunexus

I hear this argument quite a bit (especially from those who support Fox/Sony keeping their rights).

Where is the evidence that suggests Marvel Studios would continue producing only 2 films a year if Fox/Sony lost their rights? Doesn't it make sound sense that they would pick up the slack left by the other studios and begin producing 3 or 4 films per year? And doesn't this lead to the logical conclusion that they would then be able to produce films featuring X-Men, FF, Spider-man, as well as other new Marvel film properties as well?

The very fact that Marvel is throwing curve balls like Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, and Doctor Strange at us in the coming years instead of just doing Iron Man, Cap, and Thor sequels year and year should be evidence enough against your argument....

That's just wishful thinking. The reason Marvel limits themselves to two films per year has nothing to do with how many properties are available to them; hell, they've got so many potential franchises already under their banner that, right now, they could easily be churning out a half dozen or more films each year. They're not suddenly going to start ramping up production just because they acquire (back) even *more* properties.

Originally Posted by Aztec

Actually that makes some sense, particularly for a Defenders type story angle.


Ant-Man
Dr. Strange
Black Panther
The Incredible Hulk 2
Avengers 3


That could totally work.

Ant-Man 2015
Dr. Strange 2016
Black Panther 2016
The Incredible Hulk 2 2017
Captain/Ms. Marvel 2017
Avengers 3 2018

Works perfect.
Expand the roster for a truly huge and epic Avengers 3, featuring:

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Falcon
War Machine
Giant-Man (Hank Pym)
Ant-Man (Scott Lang)
Wasp
Dr. Strange
Black Panther
Ms. Marvel


AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!

[pr0xyt0xin]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

That's just wishful thinking. The reason Marvel limits themselves to two films per year has nothing to do with how many properties are available to them; hell, they've got so many potential franchises already under their banner that, right now, they could easily be churning out a half dozen or more films each year. They're not suddenly going to start ramping up production just because they acquire (back) even *more* properties.




Ant-Man 2015
Dr. Strange 2016
Black Panther 2016
The Incredible Hulk 2 2017
Captain/Ms. Marvel 2017
Avengers 3 2018

Works perfect.
Expand the roster for a truly huge and epic Avengers 3, featuring:

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Falcon
War Machine
Giant-Man (Hank Pym)
Ant-Man (Scott Lang)
Wasp
Dr. Strange
Black Panther
Ms. Marvel


AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!

[Mr. Dent]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Ant-Man 2015
Dr. Strange 2016
Black Panther 2016
The Incredible Hulk 2 2017
Captain/Ms. Marvel 2017
Avengers 3 2018

Works perfect.
Expand the roster for a truly huge and epic Avengers 3, featuring:

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Falcon
War Machine
Giant-Man (Hank Pym)
Ant-Man (Scott Lang)
Wasp
Dr. Strange
Black Panther
Ms. Marvel


AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!

I would love for that to happen but I don't see them leaving out Cap and Thor sequels for Captain Marvel or Black Panther when they already would be giving two new characters films. I am mildly interested in how big the roster will be by A3 though. My slightly more conservative roster:

Iron Man
Captain America
Thor
Hulk
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Iron Patriot/War Machine
Falcon
Ant-Man
Wasp
Doctor Strange
Captain Marvel*

I would hope that Carol would be introduced and turned into Captain Marvel at some point in the phases although I don't see her getting that movie. My hope is that she's introduced in Cap 2 and becomes Ms. Marvel in A2.

[cherokeesam]

Yeah, I think Marvel's two-film strategy is going to come back and bite them in the ass for Phase III. It still works fine for Phase II, but in Phase III, they're going to have to weigh introducing new superheroes into the MCU versus just rehashing the Big Three/Four. My prospective Phase III wishlist above illustrates that --- I seriously doubt either Marvel or the fans would be comfortable going three years without seeing another installment of Iron Man, Cap, or Thor, until Avengers 3.

[blalex620]

From everything Kevin Feige, Stan Lee, and everyone else at Marvel have been talking about I see the perfect Phase 3 being:

Ant-Man(2015)
Dr. Strange(2016)
GotG 2(2016)
Heroes For Hire w/Luke Cage and Iron Fist lead roles(2017)
Either IM/Thor/Cap sequel(2017)
Inhumans(2018)
Defenders(2018) Giving Hulk spotlight again with Doc Strange and maybe Namor and whoever else they wanna add to them

To me the phases are going like this Phase 1 origin stories to set up the universe, Phase 2 sequels to the big 4 showing that they can still function as separate movies and by putting out GotG showing that they can bring new characters to the universe then with the success of GotG Phase 3 full steam with bring more characters to the universe

[blalex620]

If Marvel only introduces one to two new character films each phase that's going to be a big problem for them because it'd lead to people becoming tired of the same movies getting sequels... We have to remember the general public has an understanding of the concept of a shared movie universe between Marvel characters therefore if Marvel doesn't expand the universe beyond IM, Thor, and Cap then people will get tired of it

And as for a Defenders movie I see it being a huge possibility because it'd be a whole different take than the Avengers team movie which would surprise movie goers which is what Marvel wants to do

[xeno000]

Originally Posted by blalex620

If Marvel only introduces one to two new character films each phase that's going to be a big problem for them because it'd lead to people becoming tired of the same movies getting sequels... We have to remember the general public has an understanding of the concept of a shared movie universe between Marvel characters therefore if Marvel doesn't expand the universe beyond IM, Thor, and Cap then people will get tired of it

And as for a Defenders movie I see it being a huge possibility because it'd be a whole different take than the Avengers team movie which would surprise movie goers which is what Marvel wants to do

Welcome to the Hype, blalex!

I think you're absolutely right about The Defenders being on Marvel's to-do list. As soon as Feige confirmed Doctor Strange that is the second thing I thought of (after how freaking awesome Strange is going to be). They will have The Hulk and Strange ready to go and can either give Namor a solo film or simply address his origin in the team's first outing. Hawkeye could also appear in The Defenders since he joined them early on, ironically enough after feeling like The Avengers didn't appreciate his contributions and pushed him off to the side. The roster could be rounded out by adding The Valkyrie and a couple of wild cards like Hellcat, Hercules or the Black Knight.

I love Marvel's "non-team team" and would be thrilled if they made it to the big screen. Could we see a version of the Avengers-Defenders War in the MCU? Frankly, I would be a million times happier to see that than Civil War. That story has the added benefit of giving Loki another chance to work his villainous wiles on both teams along with the dread Dormammu.

[cherokeesam]

You can't do a Defenders movie without .

[xeno000]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

You can't do a Defenders movie without .

Sure you can. Much as I love Norrin, he isn't irreplaceable. The Silver Surfer was only a member for a brief period, with sporadic reappearances. He was essentially like The Hulk was in the early days of The Avengers. There are a lot other members who spent much more time with the team. And since Marvel is not getting the Surfer back any time soon, they will want to move forward with the dozens of potential members they do own for their second major superhero group.

[Hawkingbird]

I doubt a Defenders movie will happen, since they're too similar (on the surface) to Avengers.

[blalex620]

Originally Posted by Hawkingbird

I doubt a Defenders movie will happen, since they're too similar (on the surface) to Avengers.

If they market it right they could definitely do a Defenders movie along with an Avengers movie. If from the beginning they portray the Defenders as a not so team team that does the missions that no other team will do then it could be done

[Mr. Dent]

Problem with that is that they already marketed the Avengers like that.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by Mr. Dent

Problem with that is that they already marketed the Avengers like that.

Well...yes and no.
The MCU Avengers are still just a group of supers who got together one time to save the planet. They're definitely going to regroup and coalesce into a more cohesive fighting force at a later date --- it's inevitable --- but for now, they're not the UN-chartered paramilitary super-organization that they are in the comics. Once they become that, then a Defenders team begins to make more sense down the line, as the uber-loners who simply do not play well enough with others to warrant a coveted spot on the Avenger team.

[blalex620]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Well...yes and no.
The MCU Avengers are still just a group of supers who got together one time to save the planet. They're definitely going to regroup and coalesce into a more cohesive fighting force at a later date --- it's inevitable --- but for now, they're not the UN-chartered paramilitary super-organization that they are in the comics. Once they become that, then a Defenders team begins to make more sense down the line, as the uber-loners who simply do not play well enough with others to warrant a coveted spot on the Avenger team.

I totally agree and they could go the route with Strange needing to form a team that could take on a mystic enemy that brainwashes the Avengers leading to an Avengers and Defenders fight that could start in A3 then lead into the Defenders

[Marvin]

The more and more I hear these terms(such as phase and cameo) the more it occurs to me that Marvel doesn't seem to be able to sell films on their own merit. The draw always seems to be that it's a part of something.
Can't blame them, there's no other reason I'd be interested in Guardians or Dr. Strange without this sort of approach.

DC seems to be doing things the other way..for now anyways.

[Mr. Dent]

Iron Man, Thor, Cap were all sold on their own. IM3 is going to be more stand alone than those 3 films. Thor 2 seems to be heading in that direction as well. Putting easter eggs and hints in the films for fans does not mean they're not selling them on their own merit. Furthermore we know nothing of how the Guardians film will be handled, for all we know the only things that will show up in the films that have been in the MCU before are the Chitauri and Thanos.

[blalex620]

Originally Posted by Marvin

The more and more I hear these terms(such as phase and cameo) the more it occurs to me that Marvel doesn't seem to be able to sell films on their own merit. The draw always seems to be that it's a part of something.
Can't blame them, there's no other reason I'd be interested in Guardians or Dr. Strange without this sort of approach.

DC seems to be doing things the other way..for now anyways.

Well if you think about it these movies do also work as a standalone film even without watching all of the films one could still watch each film and pretty much understand what's going on

But at the same time there's no point to one cohesive universe if it doesn't all tie in together at certain points in time look at their comic universe, ever since Secret War in '04 (if I'm not mistaken) everything has been story arcs that span the whole companies list of books and then in between there's individual stories in each comic

In the end it's a comic book movie the major draw to Marvel's movies is that these characters and stories are part of a much larger universe and it's appealing to see just how each new character is going to fit into the universe

[Marvin]

I personally don't have a problem with it, just an observation.

It's not that the films don't/can't stand alone(arguable). It's that they seem to rely on generating buzz by way of the promise of a greater relevancy in the big event.

We're not so much buzzed about Dr. Strange himself, but this "phase 3" phenomenon.
Just so different from the old marvel days...

Like I said, it's working for them. If avengers had just randomly come out in 2008, It probably would have made Ironman money and a little bit extra for effort. This is a pretty snazzy business model. Ant man has as much buzz as any marvel film pre 2005 minus the spiderman stuff.

[Mr. Dent]

I disagree with you. We're in a phase 3 thread so obviously people are going to be talking about Strange in the context of phase 3, but elsewhere people are just excited to see a Doctor Strange movie getting made in general.

[blalex620]

Very true and the general audience is more buzzed about the "bigger picture" but I know us fans are definitely buzzed for the individual characters I'm definitely excited for Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, and Heroes for Hire the most

[Marvin]

When I come across the articles on other sites, it tends to come with the term phase 3 or 2 or what ever.

[blalex620]

Originally Posted by Marvin

When I come across the articles on other sites, it tends to come with the term phase 3 or 2 or what ever.

Are you talking about the Dr Strange articles?

if so then it only stands to reason that most of the people commenting on those sites are actual fans who are curious to see how they fit the character into the universe

[Aztec]

Just curious. Do Ant-Man and Dr. Strange have a history of any kind in the comics? I'm honestly not too familar with either character. I'm curious for Phase 3 story purposes.

[xeno000]

Originally Posted by Marvin

I personally don't have a problem with it, just an observation.

It's not that the films don't/can't stand alone(arguable). It's that they seem to rely on generating buzz by way of the promise of a greater relevancy in the big event.

We're not so much buzzed about Dr. Strange himself, but this "phase 3" phenomenon.
Just so different from the old marvel days...

Like I said, it's working for them. If avengers had just randomly come out in 2008, It probably would have made Ironman money and a little bit extra for effort. This is a pretty snazzy business model. Ant man has as much buzz as any marvel film pre 2005 minus the spiderman stuff.

What is this "we"? A lot of us are totally jazzed that Doctor Strange, Ant-Man and other heroes are going to get the big screen treatment in a few years. This is a dream come true for Marvel fans who have waited decades to see these characters in films, while others had their time in the spotlight. As someone who up until two years ago never thought she would see The Avengers and its biggest heroes in theaters, much less Ant-Man and Strange, every new film that Marvel Studios announces excites me just as much as the first few did.

[blalex620]

Originally Posted by Aztec

Just curious. Do Ant-Man and Dr. Strange have a history of any kind in the comics? I'm honestly not too familar with either character. I'm curious for Phase 3 story purposes.

Yes they do.
Ant-Man along with his wife Wasp were original founders of the Avengers and Ant-Man goes on to create Ultron who would be one of the strongest villains and Vision who would be one of the greatest heroes and goes on to create along with Iron Man and Mr Fantastic the supervillian jail know as project 47(if I'm not mistaken it's one of the 40s numbers)

Dr. Strange is the Sorcerer Supreme which means he's the greatest magic user in the universe and he goes on to found the Defenders team(which I am adamant on being made into a movie) which consists of him, the Hulk, Namor the Sub-Mariner, and the Silver Surfer