MCU Phase 3: Have it your way

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Marvin

DC seems to be doing things the other way..for now anyways.

???

Are they not leaning on Nolan's name to help sell Man of Steel, and planning on following that up with Justice League, and talking about spinning all the characters out of that?

How is that "the other way"?

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by blalex620

Yes they do.
Ant-Man along with his wife Wasp were original founders of the Avengers and Ant-Man goes on to create Ultron who would be one of the strongest villains and Vision who would be one of the greatest heroes and goes on to create along with Iron Man and Mr Fantastic the supervillian jail know as project 47(if I'm not mistaken it's one of the 40s numbers)

Dr. Strange is the Sorcerer Supreme which means he's the greatest magic user in the universe and he goes on to found the Defenders team(which I am adamant on being made into a movie) which consists of him, the Hulk, Namor the Sub-Mariner, and the Silver Surfer

Yes, all that's accurate; but if I'm reading right, Aztec was asking if Strange and Ant-Man have a history *together*. Which would be, basically, "no."

[xeno000]

Originally Posted by Aztec

Just curious. Do Ant-Man and Dr. Strange have a history of any kind in the comics? I'm honestly not too familar with either character. I'm curious for Phase 3 story purposes.

Are you asking whether they have a history with each other, or about their individual histories? As far as I know, Strange and Pym were both members of The Defenders. (Pym was in his Yellowjacket identity.) I can't recall how they interacted, however. They would also have had contact at various times through the Avengers' history.

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Originally Posted by Marvin

I personally don't have a problem with it, just an observation.

It's not that the films don't/can't stand alone(arguable). It's that they seem to rely on generating buzz by way of the promise of a greater relevancy in the big event.

We're not so much buzzed about Dr. Strange himself, but this "phase 3" phenomenon.
Just so different from the old marvel days...

Like I said, it's working for them. If avengers had just randomly come out in 2008, It probably would have made Ironman money and a little bit extra for effort. This is a pretty snazzy business model. Ant man has as much buzz as any marvel film pre 2005 minus the spiderman stuff.

This.

I'll echo what I said in the FF forums. The business model is fantastic. The MCU itself is becoming as big a selling point for much of the general audience as the individual films. Smaller properties (and great characters) like Ant-Man and Dr. Strange have much greater momentum and anticipation being attached to the MS runnaway train. There have definitely been some growing pains along the way, but the payoff has been incredible. I expect things to only get bigger and better moving forward, especially from a creative standpoint.

Personally, I'm as psyched for Ant-Man as I am for the "don't go bigger, go deeper..." Avengers 2.

[blalex620]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Yes, all that's accurate; but if I'm reading right, Aztec was asking if Strange and Ant-Man have a history *together*. Which would be, basically, "no."

Ohhh haha makes sense

[Marvin]

Originally Posted by xeno000

What is this "we"? A lot of us are totally jazzed that Doctor Strange, Ant-Man and other heroes are going to get the big screen treatment in a few years. This is a dream come true for Marvel fans who have waited decades to see these characters in films, while others had their time in the spotlight. As someone who up until two years ago never thought she would see The Avengers and its biggest heroes in theaters, much less Ant-Man and Strange, every new film that Marvel Studios announces excites me just as much as the first few did.

I say we meaning "your" type being the minority. Especially with the non marvel crowd. But then again this is an assumption.

Originally Posted by Chewy

???

Are they not leaning on Nolan's name to help sell Man of Steel, and planning on following that up with Justice League, and talking about spinning all the characters out of that?

How is that "the other way"?

1. I never said anything about using a director/producer credit in this model(notice marvel doesn't and this was an analysis of them).

2. I said as of yet. As in all their films thus far haven't said dick all about sharing a universe. If anything the producers have said the opposite numerous times. Granted that may change after MOS. But so far each of the films released have been sold on their own merit. Moreover, this supposed JLA project is supposedly working backwards in light of the marvel model. Group event first.

Either way, Marvel seems to have the ticket right now, good for them.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Marvin

1. I never said anything about using a director/producer credit in this model(notice marvel doesn't and this was an analysis of them).

2. I said as of yet. As in all their films thus far haven't said dick all about sharing a universe. If anything the producers have said the opposite numerous times. Granted that may change after MOS. But so far each of the films released have been sold on their own merit. Moreover, this supposed JLA project is supposedly working backwards in light of the marvel model. Group event first.

Either way, Marvel seems to have the ticket right now, good for them.

The entire idea and the gist I got from your post was the synergy, that instead of each movie having to build buzz from scratch they're building off the previous films and projects.

Whether they're selling it as a "phase" or selling it as from the same individuals, whether they're starting with the event and spinning out or building up to the event. There are obviously differences in execution. But it's still the same basic idea of building synergy. It's still using the idea that it's a piece of a bigger work. It's the same general corporate strategy.

[Marvin]

I personally just don't think DC/WB has been employing that for their success as of yet.
One look at their biggest money maker(Batman) will drive this point home.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Originally Posted by Marvin

We're not so much buzzed about Dr. Strange himself, but...

speak for yourself, bro.

[xeno000]

Originally Posted by Marvin

I personally just don't think DC/WB has been employing that for their success as of yet.
One look at their biggest money maker(Batman) will drive this point home.

The MOS trailer says it straight up: "From Zack Snyder, Director of Watchmen & 300 and Producer Christopher Nolan, Director of The Dark Knight Trilogy." That comes on screen before the title card even appears. Henry Cavill, the star of the film, gets billed behind the producer and director for a reason: WB is hoping to sell the film to the audience based on Snyder's and Nolan's past films.

This is different from what Marvel does only in that it uses the filmography of directors to market MOS, rather than playing up on a connected universe. This is a more specious argument for the film's appeal and quality than Marvel's stance that people who enjoyed the studio's previous films in the series will like the succeeding ones. That never stopped anyone in Hollywood from using it, of course.

At least Cavill gets billed after the director and producer but before Crowe and Costner, unlike Christopher Reeve who took third billing to Brando and Hackman.

[Aztec]

Originally Posted by blalex620

Yes they do.
Ant-Man along with his wife Wasp were original founders of the Avengers and Ant-Man goes on to create Ultron who would be one of the strongest villains and Vision who would be one of the greatest heroes and goes on to create along with Iron Man and Mr Fantastic the supervillian jail know as project 47(if I'm not mistaken it's one of the 40s numbers)

Dr. Strange is the Sorcerer Supreme which means he's the greatest magic user in the universe and he goes on to found the Defenders team(which I am adamant on being made into a movie) which consists of him, the Hulk, Namor the Sub-Mariner, and the Silver Surfer

Thanks, but I meant history TOGETHER.

[Marvin]

Originally Posted by xeno000

The MOS trailer says it straight up: "From Zack Snyder, Director of Watchmen & 300 and Producer Christopher Nolan, Director of The Dark Knight Trilogy." That comes on screen before the title card even appears. Henry Cavill, the star of the film, gets billed behind the producer and director for a reason: WB is hoping to sell the film to the audience based on Snyder's and Nolan's past films.

This is different from what Marvel does only in that it uses the filmography of directors to market MOS, rather than playing up on a connected universe. This is a more specious argument for the film's appeal and quality than Marvel's stance that people who enjoyed the studio's previous films in the series will like the succeeding ones. That never stopped anyone in Hollywood from using it, of course.

At least Cavill gets billed after the director and producer but before Crowe and Costner, unlike Christopher Reeve who took third billing to Brando and Hackman.

Didn't know I was accusing anyone of being "specious" rather of what simply is strategy. I'm glad you at least acknowledge that there is a difference between what both studios are doing.

Filmography has been used since the beginning of film marketing, Spielberg loves it. Cameron loves it even more. What I'm talking about here is...well I'm sure you get it, you message implies that you do.

When the next spiderman is promoted with terminology such as "marvel phase 4" and not, from the director of 500 days of summer. I'll point it out.

Originally Posted by R_Hythlodeus

speak for yourself, bro.

always do

[blalex620]

Am I the only one who doesn't see an Iron Man 4 in Phase 3??

[Mr. Dent]

A lot of people aren't including IM4 in their lists. I didn't.

[blalex620]

I saw that a lot of people either included it or didn't include it but said it's likely to happen. As much as I love IM and RDJ I'm ready to see more characters

[Mr. Dent]

Yeah I don't think we'll get one. If Tony is still walking after A2 I don't think we'll see him in another movie until A3. They'll probably give IM a bit of a break in terms of movies and use him being busy setting up the Avengers as its own organization separate from SHIELD as an excuse.

[kedrell]

I think for certain after IM3 we will still get Iron Man movies. It may be given a rest for 10 years or so while other stuff fills the void and when it comes back it'll be a recast(but probably not a reboot).

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by Mr. Dent

Yeah I don't think we'll get one. If Tony is still walking after A2 I don't think we'll see him in another movie until A3. They'll probably give IM a bit of a break in terms of movies and use him being busy setting up the Avengers as its own organization separate from SHIELD as an excuse.

Yeah, I get the impression that Phase III will be where they introduce new characters; Iron Man, Thor and Cap may wind up getting a phase-long break. The only sequel I see for Phase III, other than the inevitable Avenger installment, is Hulk 2 (long overdue).

[spideymouse]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Yeah, I get the impression that Phase III will be where they introduce new characters; Iron Man, Thor and Cap may wind up getting a phase-long break. The only sequel I see for Phase III, other than the inevitable Avenger installment, is Hulk 2 (long overdue).

Hmm, I don't know. 5+ years between Thor and Cap sequels? You could be right, but I personally doubt it.

[Mr. Dent]

Originally Posted by kedrell

I think for certain after IM3 we will still get Iron Man movies. It may be given a rest for 10 years or so while other stuff fills the void and when it comes back it'll be a recast(but probably not a reboot).

Oh yeah we're definitely going to get another IM film in continuity eventually. Don't expect it to happen before at least 2019 though.

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Yeah, I get the impression that Phase III will be where they introduce new characters; Iron Man, Thor and Cap may wind up getting a phase-long break. The only sequel I see for Phase III, other than the inevitable Avenger installment, is Hulk 2 (long overdue).

Don't agree about Cap and Thor. They'll only be on their second sequel in phase 3 and barring either one of them failing to meet expectations I figure they'll go ahead with them.

[blalex620]

Originally Posted by Mr. Dent

Don't agree about Cap and Thor. They'll only be on their second sequel in phase 3 and barring either one of them failing to meet expectations I figure they'll go ahead with them.

I agree, as much as I don't want it I see a sequel for Cap and Thor more than I see one for IM or TIH

[spideymouse]

Originally Posted by blalex620

I agree, as much as I don't want it I see a sequel for Cap and Thor more than I see one for IM or TIH

Hopefully we'll see them all! I plan to be alive for at least the next 10 years, so I just need to bide my time.

[blalex620]

Ant-Man and Strange alone make Phase 3 amazing but as long as I get my Heroes for Hire or Inhumans I'd be a happy fanboy.

Though to really make my life Defenders would have to be made lol

[spideymouse]

Originally Posted by blalex620

Ant-Man and Strange alone make Phase 3 amazing but as long as I get my Heroes for Hire or Inhumans I'd be a happy fanboy.

Though to really make my life Defenders would have to be made lol

As long as Marvel keeps putting out good movies that are well received, I think we'll eventually see the MCU reach as far and deep as it feasibly can into the Marvel Universe and its mythos. However, people change and so do establishments. There will come a day when Feige calls it quits, a day when an MCU movie will flat out bomb, and a day when money will win over creativity. I definitely don't think it will be during Phase 3, but you've got to be ready for anything at any time.

Regimes fall everyday. I'll try not to cry about it.

[Mr. Dent]

Originally Posted by blalex620

Ant-Man and Strange alone make Phase 3 amazing but as long as I get my Heroes for Hire or Inhumans I'd be a happy fanboy.

Though to really make my life Defenders would have to be made lol

Don't see Inhumans happening until after A3 imo. Here's three ways Marvel could go about phase III.

Route 1: Expand the Avengers roster by introducing Ant-Man and Dr. Strange and give the older members sequels as well leading up to A3. Then after Avengers 3 release the Inhumans movie as the second film of that year as the start of a new phase or in 2019. A balanced approach:

2015: Ant-Man
2016: Thor 3, Hulk 2
2017: Cap 3, Doctor Strange
2018: Avengers 3, Inhumans/GotG2 (depending on how the first does)

Route 2: Or, they could go all out and dedicate phase III to a New Avengers type route and almost only introduce new properties...which when you really think about it makes no sense financially, but hey, just for ****s and giggles:

2015: Ant-Man
2016: Thor 3, Doctor Strange
2017: Heroes for Hire, Inhumans/Black Panther
2018: Avengers 3

Route 3: The above is super risky. The final route they could go, one that actually makes a lot of sense. Instead of having phase III take place over the same course of time phase II did, make it a year or 2 longer to introduce more new properties while giving your old ones their due as well.

2015: Ant-Man
2016: Hulk 2, Doctor Strange
2017: Thor 3, Heroes for Hire
2018: Cap 3, Black Panther
2019: Avengers 3

That way there is a new movie/Avenger every year along with an old one. My only problem with it is there leaves no room for a GotG sequel even if it ends up doing well. If I had to go with the most likely it would be route 1.