Batman reboot: Should it be based on realism, dark imagination, or silliness

[Rodrigo90]

Originally Posted by Coca Cola Duracell Franklin.

Bruce lived in seclusion for eight years. Are you serious?

It's not really 'comic book Batman' disturbed. And besides, a few scenes later, he was just fine, like nothing had happened

[johndoe123]

Originally Posted by BlueLightning

Why? I don't really understand this. It is not a new idea, watch Mask of the Phantasm for example. Along with the graveyard scene, Bruce expresses a desire for happiness.

BRUCE
Maybe after this is settled... Maybe then...

ALFRED
I'm sure they'd have wanted you to be happy.


With an ending tale like Rises, it works. In my personal opinion, on a meta level, the character deserved it.

Yeah I have to disgree with you there. If Bruce had any kind of character arc in MOTP, it was learning that he can never truly be happy. I agree that Bruce would like nothing more to be happy, the problem is in the long run he can't be. Say him and Andrea ever had settled down together and gave up being Batman, how many more of those "omens" like the bats coming out of the cave and the lighting flashing when he was at his parents grave, would Bruce have seen, thinking that it was his parents telling him from the beyond the grave that he's failing to fulfill his promise to them. How many times would he'd have seen the Joker terrorizing the Gotham and being able to do nothing about, thus failing in his personal oath to never let what happened to him never happened to anyone else ever again.

So yes, Bruce is capable and even wants happiness, but he can't allowed himself to be because Batman was born out of pain, misery, and horror, these are the things that give him his drive and his will, anything else makes him incapable of being Batman and unable to stop Gotham from falling into chaos.

[BlueLightning]

But the thing is that Bruce doesn't deny himself happiness. It's the environment. Batman is born out of a necessity, a theme played in Year One and Batman Begins. He is there to return Gotham to the citizens, because the law is corrupted and can do nothing about it. On comics and cartoons, he has to keep going. In this approach, this "balance" is already reached at the beginning of Rises, thus rendering Batman useless. But you know the story, now we have a Bruce who is physically worn out, he can do this anymore, he gave everything he had. Similar to the Rebirth episode on Batman Beyond, where Bruce cannot keep doing his Batman gig because old age and he quits, but on Rises the toll on his body came earlier.

And talking about happy endings, remember Epilogue? We have Terry McGinnis who thinks that he is burdened with a curse, that he is unable to be happy because the mantle of the Bat prevents it, because he learns that it's his destiny to follow Bruce's steps. But he learns that he can overcome that, and be his own man. It is a similar theme that is played on Rises too, but with Bruce as the protagonist. So, it is not a far fetched theme.

[Rodrigo90]

And I believe, if nothing good comes out of that long and hopeful battle against evil, then what was the point of it all? There is no point in telling a story of a man persevering through his own problems and the evils of society if it ends no better than what it started. Batman tries and IS an inspiration to all. Bruce ended on a happy note, but Batman continued, as evil will always remain.

I like Bruce being this driven character who will fight to the day he dies...but I like the ending for him in TDKR.

[The Guard]

I think people miss the point when it comes to the whole "Bruce can't have a happy/normal life if he's Batman" thing. Being Batman prevents Bruce from having a normal life, but it doesn't neccessarily prevent him from being happy. Who says he's not happy being Batman?

[Rodrigo90]

Same days he's happy and some days he's not

He cracks a joke with Alfred here and there, he has a smile on his face when he's with a woman...but it doesn't last, which is to be expected.

[PB210]

[QUOTE=shauner111;24719683]Yes the show was true to some comics at the time but the tone wasn't the true original depiction of Batman. p>
For those who wish to emphasize Bob Kane, he introduced the boy sidekick in pixie shoes and shaved legs. Kane also named Val Kilmer as his favorite portrayor of the role in Cinescape.

[spidermanJLA!~]

[QUOTE=PB210;24945349]

Originally Posted by shauner111

Yes the show was true to some comics at the time but the tone wasn't the true original depiction of Batman. p>
For those who wish to emphasize Bob Kane, he introduced the boy sidekick in pixie shoes and shaved legs. Kane also named Val Kilmer as his favorite portrayor of the role in Cinescape.

What? Well it makes sense considering Keaton, Clooney, and West were the only contenders.

[Rodrigo90]

At that point, Kilmer was probably the closest to Bob's vision of Batman.

[BlueLightning]

Funny thing, Kilmer is my least favorite Batman.

[shauner111]

Well, when it comes to the physical appearance of Bruce Wayne. Kilmer looked the most like Bruce. More than Keaton, West, Clooney.

Keaton was the best actor and he had the darkness that the others didn't have. In my opinion Bale had the look down (in begins) better than Kilmer. AND the darkness. Even though Keatons darkness seemed more crazy. Then again Bale looked pretty crazy in his first appearance in TDKR. The arrow scene and that look he's giving Selina when he starts walking towards her with his cane? Haha he looked like a whackjob.

[spidermanJLA!~]

Originally Posted by shauner111

Well, when it comes to the physical appearance of Bruce Wayne. Kilmer looked the most like Bruce. More than Keaton, West, Clooney.

Keaton was the best actor and he had the darkness that the others didn't have. In my opinion Bale had the look down (in begins) better than Kilmer. AND the darkness. Even though Keatons darkness seemed more crazy. Then again Bale looked pretty crazy in his first appearance in TDKR. The arrow scene and that look he's giving Selina when he starts walking towards her with his cane? Haha he looked like a whackjob.

Yeah, a bit bummish.

[Zatanna]

Originally Posted by Frodo

Bruce can always been seen with his models and high society types but as a love interest taking up time in order for us to try and believe he'd give the world to her...not so much. Been there done that, imo. Catwoman can be the one he has sparks with.

We've also been there and done that, twice now, with Catwoman. No thanks.

[Zatanna]

Originally Posted by Frodo

Ironically enough , Selina and Andrea MOTP, are the only two women who you could actually believe he would settle down with, and they're both villians and anti heroes.

Well that is certainly not true, IMO. But I'm also not interested in ever seeing an ending like that again.