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Old 05-05-2013, 12:43 PM   #101
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That's what I'm saying though. Death is cheapend when you can just time travel and bring a character back. I hope this is the only time we have time travel. I'm really not a fan of it.
they won't kill wolverine off for good, not ever, this would be a good way to shock people though

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They should kill him in the future 100% yes. What a shock that would be to non-comic readers. Of course changing the past will bring him back at the end of the movie.

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If they are gonna kill him in the movie, I want it to happen before the start of the climax of the movie.

Kill him too early in the movie and it might turn off the general audience.

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Of course Wolverine is going to "die" in this movie. One of the most iconic scenes from Days of Future Past is where Wolverine, one of the last, free, X-men, gets blown away by a Sentinal.

"Pathetic Organic being. Are you so arrogant to believe you could even approach, much less penetrate, our inner most sanctum undetected?"

To not use this would be such a waste.

I agree with psylockolussus that it will happen before the climax, but I think it might be much earlier in the movie. Remember, Wolverine is alive and well back in 1973, so it is very possible that he will somehow be involved in things. Maybe the movie won't be based around Wolvrine and that he'll be more of support character, but again, he is the most popular character there is, so...

Oh, by the way, for those who don't remember, Storm and Colossus both die as well in that comic book episode...

To me, just the thought of Wolverine taking on a Sentinal by himself and losing and then for the audience to see his adamantium skeleton smoking, so they come to the realization that he is gone, is huge!

Now of course this wouldn't mean that Hugh Jackman and Wolverine would be gone. In fact the whole point of DOFP is to go back and change the past so this didn't/doesn't happen...

The story might just start in the regular future, with everyone there. Something happens to chang the past (some villain goes back in time and does something). Now we have a new future (present) where sintinels rule. Wolverine dies. Etc...

Someone goes back in time, helps the 1973 X-men to fix the past, righting the future. But when that person (Biship?) or persons (Blink, etc.?), go back to the future it is now the Age of Apolcalypse...

So we could have a movie where Hugh gets plenty of screentime, Wolverine gets killed, and the movie ends with the future movie defined and Wolverine (now in love with Storm and with only one hand) fighting with Magneto and a main focal point.

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If they are gonna kill him in the movie, I want it to happen before the start of the climax of the movie.

Kill him too early in the movie and it might turn off the general audience.
that speaks doom for this franchise if people are put off the film the moment wolverine is killed off for one film

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Although I would really love to see the Wolverine and Storm coupling, this is better...

Imagine at the end of DOFP we were now in a new reality, the Age of Apocalypse, and Wolverine is now Weapon X (one hand, more wild hair, different costume, etc.).

We see him in the heat of battle, running around fighting some sentinels and such, along with some others (like Sabertooth, Wildchild, Blink, Magneto, etc.). You then see him about to be killed by something like a falling Sentinel when someone uses telekenesis to save him. He gets up, says something like "what took you so long" or better yet... "Where have you been".

Hugh Jackman then walks over to Famke Jaansen and kisses her full on the mouth...

Fade to black!

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Although I would really love to see the Wolverine and Storm coupling, this is better...

Imagine at the end of DOFP we were now in a new reality, the Age of Apocalypse, and Wolverine is now Weapon X (one hand, more wild hair, different costume, etc.).

We see him in the heat of battle, running around fighting some sentinels and such, along with some others (like Sabertooth, Wildchild, Blink, Magneto, etc.). You then see him about to be killed by something like a falling Sentinel when someone uses telekenesis to save him. He gets up, says something like "what took you so long" or better yet... "Where have you been".

Hugh Jackman then walks over to Famke Jaansen and kisses her full on the mouth...

Fade to black!
that doesn't sound good at all

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I don't think following up one movie that is based around changing a horrible future with another movie about a horrible future is at all the way to go. It's incredibly gimmicky, based on a classic storyline or not.

And once again, there is no guarantee this movie will have a villain go back and change the past. The sentinels could be a natural consequence of history exactly as we've known it, and the X-Men decide it must be changed and that 1973 is the key year.

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Yep. And I don't expect Wolverine in the "present" 1970's storyline to be involved at all. Unless they're completely throwing away continuity of the past films.

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I don't think following up one movie that is based around changing a horrible future with another movie about a horrible future is at all the way to go. It's incredibly gimmicky, based on a classic storyline or not.

And once again, there is no guarantee this movie will have a villain go back and change the past. The sentinels could be a natural consequence of history exactly as we've known it, and the X-Men decide it must be changed and that 1973 is the key year.
So what would you like to see next? You appear to be ruling out Apocalypse (assuming he isn't already in DoFP), so what about villains? And what X-Men team roster?

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So what would you like to see next? You appear to be ruling out Apocalypse (assuming he isn't already in DoFP), so what about villains? And what X-Men team roster?
Oh, I'm not ruling out Apocalypse but I don't think an Age of Apocalypse movie would be the right move immediately post-DOFP.

However, there are other stories to tell with the character and I'd love to see him feature. And Sinister, preferably. Perhaps Sinister first, and then leading to Apocalypse.

My preference is for a final trilogy with the OT cast. With perhaps, one final film with the FC class, fulfilling their contracts inbetween.

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Age of Apocalypse is one of the best storylines in the history of the X-men. It seems like the natural progression.

Yes, I kind of agree that having one "change the past" movie followed by another "change the past" movie would be a bit cliche, but what other stories would work here?

There are many great stories, but after DOFP where would you go?

- Dark Phoenix - kind of tough at this point, don't ya think?
- God Loves Man Kills - Kind of tough with Striker having been done to death. Even if you go with someone else filling that role, there's no super baddie, so doesn;t work.
- Cain Marko - kind of tough since they ruined that character.
- Asteroid M - Actually could work, but not with old Magneto!
- Sinster - Could work, but should have been done before DOFP.
- House of M - Would mean that they would need to define Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver as kids of Magneto. With rumors that they will be in the next Avengers this might be tough.

Also none of these use both casts.

Age of Apocalypse, a top 10 storyline, keeps the ability to use both casts.

I do agree that if AOA is next then DOFP needs to not have anyone travel back, assuming that AOA will have someone traveling back!

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I think they could also do a version of Age of Apocalypse without the time-travel and changing the past.

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Even still, it's another story where we find our characters in some sort of horrible reality. I just think it will seem really repetitive straight after DOFP. That's if they chose to do something very faithful to the AOA story from the comics.

I'd much prefer a Sinister story, or an Apocalypse one that isn't AOA. And personally, to do AOA justice, you'd almost need a trilogy on that story alone.

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Even still, it's another story where we find our characters in some sort of horrible reality. I just think it will seem really repetitive straight after DOFP. That's if they chose to do something very faithful to the AOA story from the comics.

I'd much prefer a Sinister story, or an Apocalypse one that isn't AOA. And personally, to do AOA justice, you'd almost need a trilogy on that story alone.
Yes, that's what I meant. An Apocalypse story but not AoA. Unless of course they want to make more use of the timetravel stuff, Bishop, etc, and perhaps introduce Cable.

Who knows what they have in mind.

My greatest sadness is that this franchise hasn't achieved the box office heights of the Marvel Studios' cinematic universe.

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My greatest sadness is that this franchise hasn't achieved the box office heights of the Marvel Studios' cinematic universe.
I blame that on the writers of X1 through X3.

Why would you not start with the original 5 and go from there? Yes Wolverine is the most popular and known character, but still, for the story starting with Iceman, Beast (before he changed - and without hands for feet), Angel, Cycops and Marvel Girl would have been amazing...

Instead they try to put too much into one film and ruin the Dark Phoenix story, kill off Xavier, make Rogue a wimp, barely ever have Bobby iced up, and never do a good job with the villains (like the other movies did)...

In fact, I think that is the biggest problem with the X-movies...

In Amazing Spiderman it was The Lizard versus Spidey...

In Ironman 2 is was Whiplash versus Ironman and War Machine...

In Ironman 3 is was The Madarin (kind of) versus Ironman and Iron Patriot...

In the Avengers it was the Loki (and his army) versus the Avengers...

While in Origins and the X movies there were too many villains (and heroes) at the same time...

I think if you look at the good comic movies and the bad ones the amount of villains and how they are done is the main factor on the success, and the X fanchise has done poorly here...

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Sinister could be done well, but with Scott and Jean dead where would the focus be?

I mean, I could see them showing us the origin story of Essex, which would be great, but Sinister has always been about genetic enhancement, which was the whole gene pool concept shown in Origins. So Sinister has really lost his story...

Not sure where else you could go with him...

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I blame that on the writers of X1 through X3.

Why would you not start with the original 5 and go from there? Yes Wolverine is the most popular and known character, but still, for the story starting with Iceman, Beast (before he changed - and without hands for feet), Angel, Cycops and Marvel Girl would have been amazing...

Instead they try to put too much into one film and ruin the Dark Phoenix story, kill off Xavier, make Rogue a wimp, barely ever have Bobby iced up, and never do a good job with the villains (like the other movies did)...

In fact, I think that is the biggest problem with the X-movies...

In Amazing Spiderman it was The Lizard versus Spidey...

In Ironman 2 is was Whiplash versus Ironman and War Machine...

In Ironman 3 is was The Madarin (kind of) versus Ironman and Iron Patriot...

In the Avengers it was the Loki (and his army) versus the Avengers...

While in Origins and the X movies there were too many villains (and heroes) at the same time...

I think if you look at the good comic movies and the bad ones the amount of villains and how they are done is the main factor on the success, and the X fanchise has done poorly here...
even In a reboot they would never just be just the original five.That was least popular lineup In comics history.X-Men didn't takeoff till the all new X-Men lineup.That lineup would be all white and have just one woman.

For all those who want X-Men to be just like the avengers here are reminders

The Avengers was basiclly the ultimates with the Avengers name

2 of founding members-Ant-Man and Wasp were totally absent from film.

Captain America was not founding member In Avengers comics

Hawkeye was villain of Iron Man who become an Avenger not a Shield Agent.Granted him being under thrall of Loki was Probally Joss WHedon's homage to 616 Hawkeye

Black Widow was not an Avengers at all In early days of comics.While she has added shield In 616 comics she was only an outright shield agent In The Ultimates.

If the avengers was called the ultimates then you can make case for It being acute adaptian of comics but as adaptian of the avengers It made plenty of changes too.

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i think you have to cut X1 some slack because super hero movies were not as big as they are today, infact alot of comic books movies didn't get past 1 movie back then, so i don't suppose singer could defo say there would be a sequel

and he also did try and get beast in the movie but they couldn't do it on the budget or something

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Batman & Robin helped kill the genre.X-Men revived It and SPider-Man helped It explode.
Bryan Singer had an 75 million dollor budget to work with.Plus his tone Is totally different than a lot of MS films.

During the effort to find right script that could be made for the tight budget they lost

X-Men-Beast,Angel
Brotherhood-Blob,Pyro(they snuck pyro back In as student at school)
Wolverine being tested In Danger room scene

Plus he originally wanted to do some location filming In New York due to budget almost all of film had to be shot In Toronito.

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i think you have to cut X1 some slack because super hero movies were not as big as they are today, infact alot of comic books movies didn't get past 1 movie back then, so i don't suppose singer could defo say there would be a sequel

and he also did try and get beast in the movie but they couldn't do it on the budget or something
Yes, they couldn't afford Beast.

And frankly, Batman and Robin killed the comic book movie. X-Men helped revitalize it and they did so with an extremely limited budget for a "blockbuster" film. Cuts had to be made, they had to ensure that viewers knew this wasn't a comic mess like B&R, and most importantly, they needed it to be a hit. There was no way they weren't putting fan favourites like Wolverine, Storm and Rogue in there.

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Then what happened when they got to X3?

Killing Cyclops, the field leader?

Killing Xavier and going with that stupid twin brother in a coma thing?

Losing Nightcrawler, a character that they really didn't do justice to?

Making Juggernaught where a penis and making him a mutant?

Making Calisto some speedster with an attitude?

Bringing back Jean as the Phoenix but in a movie that wasn't focused on the phoenix saga?

Maybe X1 brought the super hero movies back, but X3 almost killed them again...

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1:Fox didn't sign Bryan Singer immedetly.
2:Alan Horn then head of warner brothers had been wanting Singer to do SUperman since
2002.
3:Sing and his X2 writers had been working on Ideas but Tom Rothman was very slow to start neogrationgs
4:Horn offered Singer the chance to do whatever he wanted with Superman and not do the dadly received J.J. Abrams scripted reimaging of Superman
5:Rothman went on rampgae when Singer signed up for superman
6:Rothman was determinded to beat superman to screen,made then use cure storyline instead of mostly using dark phoenix storyline,and forced them to kill off xavier
7:It was a fight to even get the 4 scenes of Cyclops there was Into last stand.Rothman wanted them to say In dialogue Cyclops had been killed Inbetween films
8:Brett Ratner replacing matthe vaughn dumbed down production

Quality wise last stand was terrable.Box office wise It remains the highest grossing X-Men films.Hopefully DOFP will change that.

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