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Old 02-08-2013, 05:17 PM   #976
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:42 PM   #977
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Ramos' art in no way can compare to Ditko... his art is nowhere NEAR to even RESEMBLING Ditko's work...

Ramos' stuff is just plain butt-ugly and anatomically ****ed up, while Ditko's is sleek and spidery...

a modern version of Ditko?!?... you must be joking...

lol. Ditko is THE Spider-Man artist.

Ramos? Still needs to learn proper anatomy.

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Old 02-08-2013, 05:58 PM   #978
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Reading this made me sick to my stomach that someone can even begin to think this. Neither of these are even close to being true. Both Ramos and JRJR are horrible artists.

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Old 02-08-2013, 06:06 PM   #979
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Reading this made me sick to my stomach that someone can even begin to think this. Neither of these are even close to being true. Both Ramos and JRJR are horrible artists.

what's really weird is that JRJR used to be GOOD when he first started out on Spidey, but even Junior's work has significantly gone down in quality over the years... though when he and dad get together, the art looks great... thanks to dad mostly...

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y'all are crazy. JRJR is awesome. He was in his prime when he was on Spidey with JMS.

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Old 02-08-2013, 06:13 PM   #981
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JRJR is first rate. His stuff is a little looser and sketchier now, that's his style. His character rendering and action is a billion time better than anything Ramos or the current ASM artist can churn out.

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I don't know what happened to JRJR's work but it's gotten really, really bad recently. His earlier work on ASM was good though.

And as bad as it is now it's still a million times better than anything Ramos can s**t out.

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y'all are crazy. JRJR is awesome. He was in his prime when he was on Spidey with JMS.

compare Junior's work around ASM 210 and around that time period and compare it to the issues you mention and you'll see the obvious difference... he's so much better when he first came onto the book...

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When he first starting working, all he did was copy his dad. He's come into his own as an artist with his own style. A damn good one.

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I don't know what happened to JRJR's work but it's gotten really, really bad recently. His earlier work on ASM was good though.

And as bad as it is now it's still a million times better than anything Ramos can s**t out.

dare I say that even Sienkewicz's stuff on his worst day was still way better than Ramos' stuff on his BEST day?...

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dare I say that even Sienkewicz's stuff on his worst day was still way better than Ramos' stuff on his BEST day?...
Apparently ASM 700 is Ramos at his best.... so yes.

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When he first starting working, all he did was copy his dad. He's come into his own as an artist with his own style. A damn good one.
I agree, he DID come into his own and it WAS good, but SOMETHING'S happened as of late with his work...

I love JVR and I love Junior, but his work really has NOT looked the same for the last couple of years...

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Old 02-08-2013, 06:51 PM   #988
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Not gonna lie, I'm diggin all the decisions Ock has made as Spidey thus far.

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Yeah, Superior has been really enjoyable. I'm actually enjoying it more knowing how temporary it's going to be.

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dare I say that even Sienkewicz's stuff on his worst day was still way better than Ramos' stuff on his BEST day?...
Aloha,
Now I HAD to comment on that. There are two artists that I just can't deal with. Ramos during his Spectacular Spider-Man run and Sienkewicz's stuff during the Clone saga. Ramos did improve but he's hit or miss for me during this phase.Sienkewicz's stuff, sorry, my least favorite artist on Spidey followed closely by Ramos. Ditko was not cartoony. Ramos is at times way too cartoony for Spidey IMHO.
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Too cartoony for Spider-Man? If there's any character that deserves to be cartoony, it's Spidey. Weiringo is one of my all-time favorite artists, especially on Spider-Man, and he's about as cartoony as you can get.

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Too cartoony for Spider-Man? If there's any character that deserves to be cartoony, it's Spidey. Weiringo is one of my all-time favorite artists, especially on Spider-Man, and he's about as cartoony as you can get.
I love 'Ringo's stuff! Totally agree.


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Old 02-09-2013, 10:46 AM   #993
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agree with that, as well...

Ringo's style was VASTLY superior to anything that Ramos comes up with...

and no, that was NOT a pun there with that "superior" wordage...

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pffftttt whatever you all say Ramos and JRJR are awesome.

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Too cartoony for Spider-Man? If there's any character that deserves to be cartoony, it's Spidey. Weiringo is one of my all-time favorite artists, especially on Spider-Man, and he's about as cartoony as you can get.
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But Ringo(RIP) drew very detailed and realistic within his style. Ramos exaggerates a little too much at times for me. As far as JRjr, I think he's great when he has the right inker. Klaus Jansen is one of the best.
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Spidey doesn't necessarily need to be realistically drawn, kinda tired of seeing almost the same style of drawing for every major comic by different artists.

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Just got through the first three issues. I have to say that I thought the third was the best of the bunch. I didn't enjoy the first two as much. I felt the dialogue was too hammy for the most part, not just SpOck himself (who I find it more understandable why his lines would be hammy).

I also felt the story was better. The first issue didn't have too much going on overall and ended with a twist that a lot of people predicted and one that just felt underwhelming and possibly even undermined Amazing #700 and Superior as a book.

The second issue had more of the awkward dialogue (imo) from the supporting cast and by the end I felt it was largely wanting to say why Marvel think MJ & Spider-man shouldn't be together.

The story in the third issue felt more interesting. It gave more insight into SpOck and showed a twist on the 'ghost Peter/memories' element (though I'm a bit on the fence about that last big). The story involving Vulture and Carlie make me wonder where it might go. Though I hope that's not teased little by little for half a year.

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I love the ghost Peter stuff, and the artwork is fantastic. I don't care what some say, Dan Slott is great.

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Todd Dezago and 'Ringo's short Spider-Ben run in 'Sensational' is one of my favorite of all time. The stories and art were cartoony, but not exaggerated to the degree that it was silly and ridiculous like Slott and Ramos.

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Todd Dezago and 'Ringo's short Spider-Ben run in 'Sensational' is one of my favorite of all time. The stories and art were cartoony, but not exaggerated to the degree that it was silly and ridiculous like Slott and Ramos.

Totally agree. Ringo is one of my all time favorites. It was a bit cartoony, but you could tell he still had an excellent grasp of anatomy and form for his characters. His linework was amazing as well. Ramos, not so much.

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