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Old 01-29-2013, 04:20 AM   #301
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So far, I think MOS is going more with the god-like, mythical approach to Superman. I'm guessing that showing him being arrested in the promotional materials is more about showing that the film will have a more plausible exploration of how the military would react such a figure emerging.
I see Superman being feared by the general public and arrested as another example of going too far in attempts at realism, and an attempt to create angst in this case, contradictory to the Superman mythos. Even in the early comics by creators Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, Superman was admired by the general public and recognized as a hero.
From Action Comics #6 (1938) by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster:

From Action Comics #7 (1938) by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster:


It makes sense that the majority of the public admire and trust Superman as a hero as traditionally Superman's very public altruistic behavior is established early on. Superman has traditionally publicly used his abilities morally to assist humanity, helping those in need, saving lives in broad daylight, performing acts of charity, and Superman traditionally smiles and is friendly, has a natural Midwestern charm, looks and acts completely human, is outwardly positive, open, doesn't even hide behind a mask, and traditionally gets positive press reports from reporters Clark Kent and Lois Lane. Superman was meant to be a positive role-model, and to be a positive role-model the people must trust in the moral core of Superman.

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"I don't think it's meant to be a "he's dark and sad" kinda thing.
This quote from David Goyer is telling, "In the case of Blade, he is acting heroically, but the rest of the world thinks he’s a vigilante, as is the case with Batman. I don’t think I’d ever be good to write Superman because it is the opposite…" [The interviewer says, "He's angst free."] David Goyer says, "Yeah, and I wouldn’t know the angle because I’m so angst ridden, so I wouldn’t know what to do with a character like that."
http://www.slashfilm.com/david-goyer...rite-superman/
Goyer explained in his introduction to Geoff Johns' Superman Secret Origin that Geoff Johns' Superman Secret Origin is a big influence on his script. "In which young Clark is told the truth about his heritage. He races out into the night, sobbing, stumbling through the cornfields. Eventually, his foster father, Jonathan, finds him. 'I don’t want to be someone else,' says Clark. 'I don’t want to be different. I want to be Clark Kent. I want to be your son.'" David Goyer says, "Right there in that moment, Geoff contextualized Superman in a way that I’m not sure has ever really been done before. I had an ‘aha’ experience when I read that. For the first time I was able to grasp how lonely Clark must have been when he was growing up. And what a sacrifice Clark must continually make by being Superman. As I write this, I am midway through my first draft of a new Superman screenplay. It’s a task that has stymied many talented filmmakers in the years since Donner’s film. And for all I know, it will end up stymieing me as well. But I’ve got one advantage that the screenwriters who came before me didn’t have– and that’s access to all the wonderful Superman stories written by Geoff Johns– first and foremost being the Secret Origin issues."
http://www.blastr.com/2010/12/did-da...-give-away.php
David Goyer's Superman script also seems similar to Mark Waid's Superman Birthright, which follows a young Clark Kent as a globetrotting freelance reporter who hasn’t yet become a superhero. Goyer's script reportedly has Clark Kent reluctantly grappling with whether or not he should become Superman.
http://www.uproxx.com/gammasquad/201...eeding-bullet/

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Old 01-29-2013, 10:38 AM   #302
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I see Superman being feared by the general public and arrested as another example of going too far in attempts at realism, and an attempt to create angst in this case, contradictory to the Superman mythos. Even in the early comics by creators Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, Superman was admired by the general public and recognized as a hero.

I actually like the handcuffs poster. Because lets face it, a being with Superman powers is terrifying. He can fly, shoot lasers from his eyes and has incomparable strength, among other things. But the thing that makes Superman a character we can like, is his heart of gold, his morals, basically that he is just a good guy. That's one of the reasons I think, at least conceptually that, Bizarro is a great villian. So what I see on the poster, at least for now, is the same character in an updated world, an approach of verisimilitude. Let's see how the movie does.

And yes, Frank Miller The Dark Knight Returns Part II is out today. I'm planning on buying it this or the next week along with the first part (I haven't seen it). I want to watch it in a double feature.

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I see Superman being feared by the general public and arrested as another example of going too far in attempts at realism, and an attempt to create angst in this case, contradictory to the Superman mythos. Even in the early comics by creators Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, Superman was admired by the general public and recognized as a hero.
From Action Comics #6 (1938) by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster:

From Action Comics #7 (1938) by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster:


It makes sense that the majority of the public admire and trust Superman as a hero as traditionally Superman's very public altruistic behavior is established early on. Superman has traditionally publicly used his abilities morally to assist humanity, helping those in need, saving lives in broad daylight, performing acts of charity, and Superman traditionally smiles and is friendly, has a natural Midwestern charm, looks and acts completely human, is outwardly positive, open, doesn't even hide behind a mask, and traditionally gets positive press reports from reporters Clark Kent and Lois Lane. Superman was meant to be a positive role-model, and to be a positive role-model the people must trust in the moral core of Superman.



This quote from David Goyer is telling, "In the case of Blade, he is acting heroically, but the rest of the world thinks he’s a vigilante, as is the case with Batman. I don’t think I’d ever be good to write Superman because it is the opposite…" [The interviewer says, "He's angst free."] David Goyer says, "Yeah, and I wouldn’t know the angle because I’m so angst ridden, so I wouldn’t know what to do with a character like that."
http://www.slashfilm.com/david-goyer...rite-superman/
Goyer explained in his introduction to Geoff Johns' Superman Secret Origin that Geoff Johns' Superman Secret Origin is a big influence on his script. "In which young Clark is told the truth about his heritage. He races out into the night, sobbing, stumbling through the cornfields. Eventually, his foster father, Jonathan, finds him. 'I don’t want to be someone else,' says Clark. 'I don’t want to be different. I want to be Clark Kent. I want to be your son.'" David Goyer says, "Right there in that moment, Geoff contextualized Superman in a way that I’m not sure has ever really been done before. I had an ‘aha’ experience when I read that. For the first time I was able to grasp how lonely Clark must have been when he was growing up. And what a sacrifice Clark must continually make by being Superman. As I write this, I am midway through my first draft of a new Superman screenplay. It’s a task that has stymied many talented filmmakers in the years since Donner’s film. And for all I know, it will end up stymieing me as well. But I’ve got one advantage that the screenwriters who came before me didn’t have– and that’s access to all the wonderful Superman stories written by Geoff Johns– first and foremost being the Secret Origin issues."
http://www.blastr.com/2010/12/did-da...-give-away.php
David Goyer's Superman script also seems similar to Mark Waid's Superman Birthright, which follows a young Clark Kent as a globetrotting freelance reporter who hasn’t yet become a superhero. Goyer's script reportedly has Clark Kent reluctantly grappling with whether or not he should become Superman.
http://www.uproxx.com/gammasquad/201...eeding-bullet/

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That may all be true, but Clark having some uncertainty and angst on his way to becoming Superman wouldn't be a first for the mythos. We'll have to see how he's portrayed once he has grown into being Superman. At the end of the trailer, when he says the line about his father not thinking the world would be ready and him asking, "What do you think?", I hear a playful challenge and a belief in humanity. A recent interview from Goyer:

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Goyer: “I’m happy that movie [Man of Steel] is gonna be coming out this summer because I think it’s the kind of movie that the world needs right now.”

Reporter: A hero?

Goyer: Yeah; he’s an unabashed hero.
More recent interviews from Goyer and Snyder have shown them making the distinction between "serious" and "depressing", with Snyder noting that they're trying to make something fun.

But yeah, sorry this is too off topic now. We should probably go to the MOS thread if we want to continue.

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Nolan writes his films in a post 9/11 world. So realistic or not a serious take on the character is that the military would recognize superman as a threat at first, his noble intentions wouldn't be recognized until he takes down the fanatical zod.

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So what are the thoughts on part 2? I am going to pick it up and watch it tonight, but curious on anyones thoughts if they've seen it?

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So what are the thoughts on part 2? I am going to pick it up and watch it tonight, but curious on anyones thoughts if they've seen it?
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To put it simply, it's uh-mazing.

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To put it simply, it's uh-mazing.
It really is, I think it's definitely the best film so far and in my opinion was better than the book. I think seeing it in action really helps, my favourite scene is definitely the debut of Superman.

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Im gonna watch part 1 tonight again right before part 2, get the full experience. How did everyone get a copy so early though?! isnt it out today?

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Im gonna watch part 1 tonight again right before part 2, get the full experience. How did everyone get a copy so early though?! isnt it out today?
I did the same thing and it was pretty fluid. Oh and it's pretty simple to get it early if you know where to look.

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If Ledger had lived, do you think we would've gotten such an amazing Batman vs Joker climatic fight in TDKR like Part 2?

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I think its hilarious that bob kane says hes "fair" yet he copyrighted batman to himself and totally screwed bill finger over, thus in the industry when someone doesnt get credit for a creation its called getting "fingered" lol he tore jerry robinson apart but he is no better at all, if he was fair like he said it'd be batman created by bob kane and bill finger, not just bob kane!

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I do think Bane was somewhat inspired by the mutant leader.

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Just picked it up. Can't believe how cheap the blu ray was. I can't wait to watch it.

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I can't wait to watch this tonight. I'm stoked.

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Do you guys think they're ever going to package Parts 1 and 2 together? Or should I just save myself the time of waiting and get both now?

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I think they will do it... but when is anyones guess. I would just grab both now.

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I'd recommend getting both now, they're fantastic. It's not like having one package for both changes much (unless they sell it on one disc with both parts spliced together into one movie).

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It's going to be really tough for DC Animated to top what they did for both parts of TDK Returns. This was good enough to be released in theaters IMO.

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Just watched it. Very well done. Liked it more than the comic (the comic was a bit too all over the place for my tastes). The action was great and brutal. Emerson was great as the Joker and Mark Valley once again shines as Superman. My only gripe was Peter Weller's voice...seemed off at points. He sounded best when he was using his dark, growling voice but when, for example, he was giving the speech, he really didn't sound right.

Regardless of that minor gripe, this was a very well done film. Dark knight parts 1 and 2 are right up there with Wonder Woman and Year One as DC's best animated films thus far. Can't wait for superman: Unbound!

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Holy mackerel! This is 13.99 at Target and Amazon. I totally ordered it, I prefer to own a physical copy anyways. This just saves me having to get it later.

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