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Old 10-26-2012, 07:54 AM   #301
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That being said, you have no idea how much I want to see MoS become this generations Superman: The Movie in terms of impact and popularity.

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I just hope that all of this hype going into this film before we actually see the final product doesn't gain a mixed response from us for when we actually do see it like how it was for "The Amazing Spider-Man". I think the hype for the film was pretty high and a lot of people had some big expectations on it based on its star studded cast, seemingly good story as how it was being pitched within trailers and news, but when the actual thing premiered I remember on how it was a mixed bag when it first came out.

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I just hope that all of this hype going into this film before we actually see the final product doesn't gain a mixed response from us for when we actually do see it like how it was for "The Amazing Spider-Man". I think the hype for the film was pretty high and a lot of people had some big expectations on it based on its star studded cast, seemingly good story as how it was being pitched within trailers and news, but when the actual thing premiered I remember on how it was a mixed bag when it first came out.
A lot of people had mixed reactions to the trailer too. But I know what you mean. I'd be pretty crushed if after all this time thinking this film could be incredible, it ends up being a kind of a let down.

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Here's my best attempt at piecing together the plot so far (note: it will probably be completely/laughably wrong)

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I’m guessing a prologue type start with Clark in Alaska soul searching to establish our hero and set the earthly tone seen in the teaser. I'm 50/50 we will get a Krypton opening with the classic destruction/baby kal-el getaway.

It seems from the comic-con trailer that him seeing a yellow school bus causes him to flashback to the incident that happens as a child where a bus goes over into water and he saves everyone. This will probably be followed by Jonathan Kent showing him his ship he arrived in and this 'key'

Back to the present. More Alaska stuff. Not sure here. Heading out on the fishing boat?

Another flashback to his last days in Smallville. The tornado. Lois Lane witnesses the 'man of steel' (I'm certain she will coin it in the film as a headline) pull off some incredible saves inside the tornado. Pa Kents death. Funeral scene. Clark Kent leaving scene.

Back to the present. The oil rig (or tanker?) explosion. Clark will save the day here. Lois will connect up the 'man' who saved the people to who she saw in Kansas and be over there. (as seen by set pics)

Clark will find this 'scout ship' buried in ice. Perhaps this 'key' also works as some kind of compass and is what brought him to Alaska. Jor-el hologram will fill him in. Its here we could get our Kryptons destruction scene as well if Jor-el recaps it(?). Clark dons the suit. Takes flight. Makes first stop in Smallville (as seen in set pics with Supes at the front of the Kent house, and the comic-con trailer with Supes hugging his ma)

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I'd say that's a pretty good estimation. Though i hope the krypton flashback possibilities will also involve Zod so he doesn't't just show up half way through the film.

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I'd say that's a pretty good estimation. Though i hope the krypton flashback possibilities will also involve Zod so he doesn't't just show up half way through the film.
Right forgot Zod. There's the fight scene on Krypton as well as his sentencing to the Phantom Zone/Black Zero.

Do we think Clark will suit up as a response to Zod appearing on Earth and Clark realizing what he must do? (Ala Earth One)

PS seriously how long is this movie gonna be 3+ hours?!! haha


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I am somewhat sure that I will like MOS, but assuming that all superman fans will like it is something that I don't see happening.

I mean, even Nolan's Bat trilogy was not universally accepted by Bat fans, same can be said about Donner's Superman movies and Singer's SR.

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As you can imagine this is a lot harder

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Metropolis. I think it'll start with Clark biking through the city streets to really build it up. Then arriving at the Daily Planet followed by him putting his glasses on as he gets in the elevator.

I think a lot of this will be about the social commentary and media frenzy that will be about this 'man of steel'.

Perhaps our first 'Superman' scene will be him saving the train with the train station set talk. I dunno. There should be some big Metropolis reveal with him in costume.

Zod will show up in Illinois (Smallville? If so maybe he tracked Clarks ship) probably confused by the people as Superman until he starts causing trouble and damage. Millitary is there as well. hmm maybe this is later if the full military is at the scene. Or perhaps theres been a fast response military order signed to obtain Superman. Supes arrives. Faora almost kills him to the point where the military can capture him.

Supes is taken to some military bunker. (comic con trailer scene with him being escorted whilst cuffed through a corridor) We could get a scene similar to Secret Origins where he's interrogated.

I really have nothing now so I'm only guessing. Perhaps that scene that was done out in the desert where Zod and Faora want Lois (seriously why would they want Lois?) Faoras infamous "I don't feel emotion" line. Perhaps Supes bargains himself for Lois and we end with that shot of Supes stretching his arm out amongst all the skeletons in black zero.

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A lot of people had mixed reactions to the trailer too. But I know what you mean. I'd be pretty crushed if after all this time thinking this film could be incredible, it ends up being a kind of a let down.
The movie comes out on my birthday so I keep inviting everyone to come watch it with me (all of you are included) and saying that it's going to be the greatest birthday ever, especially considering it's the 75th anniversary of Action Comics #1. And as I get excited talking about it, someone inevitably asks, "What if it sucks?"

Now, that's definitely a fair question. The movie could very well not be well made. But for me, honestly, at the root of it all, it's just about the experience of seeing Superman on the big screen. I was never able to see the Reeve movies in theatre (I was 2 when Superman IV came out).

So when it came time to see Superman Returns, I left the theater thinking it was the greatest thing ever. I literally watched the whole movie with my mouth open. I was on a high for the rest of the night. I wouldn't shut up about it. I saw it in the theater 5 times.

It wasn't until later that I was really able to step back and realize that it's just an okay movie. And that's okay that it's not what I thought it was because it still remains, to this day, my greatest movie going experience -- hands down.

Now, I may have expended all of my built up awe on Superman Returns, but considering the involvement of Nolan and Goyer on the story, Snyder on the action and visuals, and the caliber of the cast, I'm banking on it being a different and equally fulfilling experience as SR. And I don't think that's too farfetched.

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I just hope that all of this hype going into this film before we actually see the final product doesn't gain a mixed response from us for when we actually do see it like how it was for "The Amazing Spider-Man". I think the hype for the film was pretty high and a lot of people had some big expectations on it based on its star studded cast, seemingly good story as how it was being pitched within trailers and news, but when the actual thing premiered I remember on how it was a mixed bag when it first came out.
The people that wanted to like ASM loved it, the ones who wanted to hate it before the fact and on principle(and there were alot), ended up doing just that. The reality is that it did really well. And no where near as bad as it could have.

Just look at something like Star Trek. This product is really hot right now. ASM out did it domestically and crushed it worldwide. Moreover, if ASM performed in the way that most of these hot marvel studio films did, it would have been a disaster. (I'm almost certain thor2/cap2 will do as well as their originals if not a little better(domestically anyways)).

Lastly, though Ironman did out pace Spidey domestically, ASM did out do it in total gross.

That being said, they could have made/edited a much more present film. I do see what you're getting at. At this point in time ASM is talked about with a mixed reception and it would be a shame if MOS is another one of those. I'll die if it's seen as Returns is seen. But all things being equal, numbers don't lie and Spiderman is in a really good place right now.

I've officially stated that MOS will do IM1 numbers if not TF1. It's just got too many strengths behind it. And it doesn't have the one big flaw ASM had going in.

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I've watched Superman Returns like 5 times since it's release. I'll have to watch it again once Man of Steel draws near.

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Yes! I'm hoping for this as well.

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Right forgot Zod. There's the fight scene on Krypton as well as his sentencing to the Phantom Zone/Black Zero.

Do we think Clark will suit up as a response to Zod appearing on Earth and Clark realizing what he must do? (Ala Earth One)

PS seriously how long is this movie gonna be 3+ hours?!! haha
Yeah, that's a question that will bother some people more than others. I guess I don't particuarly mind him donning the suit because of Zod, because it's clear he is performing heroic acts long before he discovers it... and that's all that's really important, is that they establish that this guy simply IS a hero. This isn't the story of how a regular Joe becomes a hero. It's the story of a heroic man, and how he becomes a superhero.

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As you can imagine this is a lot harder

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Metropolis. I think it'll start with Clark biking through the city streets to really build it up. Then arriving at the Daily Planet followed by him putting his glasses on as he gets in the elevator.

I think a lot of this will be about the social commentary and media frenzy that will be about this 'man of steel'.

Perhaps our first 'Superman' scene will be him saving the train with the train station set talk. I dunno. There should be some big Metropolis reveal with him in costume.

Zod will show up in Illinois (Smallville? If so maybe he tracked Clarks ship) probably confused by the people as Superman until he starts causing trouble and damage. Millitary is there as well. hmm maybe this is later if the full military is at the scene. Or perhaps theres been a fast response military order signed to obtain Superman. Supes arrives. Faora almost kills him to the point where the military can capture him.

Supes is taken to some military bunker. (comic con trailer scene with him being escorted whilst cuffed through a corridor) We could get a scene similar to Secret Origins where he's interrogated.

I really have nothing now so I'm only guessing. Perhaps that scene that was done out in the desert where Zod and Faora want Lois (seriously why would they want Lois?) Faoras infamous "I don't feel emotion" line. Perhaps Supes bargains himself for Lois and we end with that shot of Supes stretching his arm out amongst all the skeletons in black zero.

End of Act 2(?)

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Again, yeah that all seems very plausible from what we know. Now stop it, you're getting me all excited

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The movie comes out on my birthday so I keep inviting everyone to come watch it with me (all of you are included) and saying that it's going to be the greatest birthday ever, especially considering it's the 75th anniversary of Action Comics #1. And as I get excited talking about it, someone inevitably asks, "What if it sucks?"

Now, that's definitely a fair question. The movie could very well not be well made. But for me, honestly, at the root of it all, it's just about the experience of seeing Superman on the big screen. I was never able to see the Reeve movies in theatre (I was 2 when Superman IV came out).

So when it came time to see Superman Returns, I left the theater thinking it was the greatest thing ever. I literally watched the whole movie with my mouth open. I was on a high for the rest of the night. I wouldn't shut up about it. I saw it in the theater 5 times.

It wasn't until later that I was really able to step back and realize that it's just an okay movie. And that's okay that it's not what I thought it was because it still remains, to this day, my greatest movie going experience -- hands down.

Now, I may have expended all of my built up awe on Superman Returns, but considering the involvement of Nolan and Goyer on the story, Snyder on the action and visuals, and the caliber of the cast, I'm banking on it being a different and equally fulfilling experience as SR. And I don't think that's too farfetched.
You just described my exact experiance of SR too

I'm right with you. I am in awe of Superman on screen, even when I shouldn't be.

However, I really don't think this film will come anywhere near as close to SR in the eventual decline of my opinion. Because it has so many elements we already know of that make it immediately better than SR IMO.

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Yeah, that's a question that will bother some people more than others. I guess I don't particuarly mind him donning the suit because of Zod, because it's clear he is performing heroic acts long before he discovers it... and that's all that's really important, is that they establish that this guy simply IS a hero. This isn't the story of how a regular Joe becomes a hero. It's the story of a heroic man, and how he becomes a superhero.
Definitely agree. Even if he's not in costume by having the tornado and oil rig scenes it establishes that he was there before Zod. And assuming how many years between those events take place that he hasn't just suddenly showed up. That he's been living on Earth. Unless the oil rig explosion isn't natural and Zod comes early.

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Yeah, one way or another, no matter how good this film ends up being when it's released, I'm sure that there will be those who aren't pleased with this film and that there will be some traditional aspects that Nolan and Goyer may have changed or altered that won't sit well with some fans.

Honestly, before seeing the footage and hearing the news, I was worried that they would portray this version of Superman into being more like his Earth 1 Comic Book counterpart mixed in with the New 52 persona and background as well.

As I've said before, I don't want a Superman who finds it a curse or who is reluctant all the way to become a hero, let alone one that feels pressured or guilty enough that he has to become Superman. I can understand and totally accept that Clark doesn't come up with the idea of becoming Superman right away and all of that, but there has to be a point in the film where Clark is shown that he comes to accept and enjoys being a hero that the world needs.

And another thing that I was worried about was that just like in the New 52, there wouldn't be any type of real relationship between Superman/Clark and Lois. I still hate on how DC had separated them and don't buy their bs on why they did so.

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Definitely agree. Even if he's not in costume by having the tornado and oil rig scenes it establishes that he was there before Zod. And assuming how many years between those events take place that he hasn't just suddenly showed up. That he's been living on Earth. Unless the oil rig explosion isn't natural and Zod comes early.

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Agreed. There are always going to be some people dissapointed, because the aspects of the character we prioritise are all going to be different.

For example, I maintain that the happiness of the character is one of the most important things to get right here.

If they make him this brooding, lonely man all the way through, it'll have that heavy feeling of melancholy that SR suffered from.

And i've always thought the easiest way you can see Clark in his everyday positive nature, is through Metropolis Clark. Through his interaction with Lois, and how she makes him smile and laugh. By comparing the way they approach talking to people on assignment, how they look at stories etc.

Obviously he'll be somewhat brooding in Alaska. But I guess this is the reason why I hope that him walking into the DP happens in the middle of the movie somewhere. Cause I wanna see him change throughout the film, from the brooding lonely man, to a man who has been reminded how much there is to fight for.

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Honestly, before seeing the footage and hearing the news, I was worried that they would portray this version of Superman into being more like his Earth 1 Comic Book counterpart mixed in with the New 52 persona and background as well.

As I've said before, I don't want a Superman who finds it a curse or who is reluctant all the way to become a hero, let alone one that feels pressured or guilty enough that he has to become Superman. I can understand and totally accept that Clark doesn't come up with the idea of becoming Superman right away and all of that, but there has to be a point in the film where Clark is shown that he comes to accept and enjoys being a hero that the world needs.
So agreed. That's why I really love the line 'My father believed that if the world found out who I really was…it’d reject me, out of fear. He was convinced that the world wasn’t ready. What do you think?”

To me that line implies he WANTS the world to be ready. He WANTS the world not to reject him. And I think achieving that, being accepted for who he truly is and allowed to help people without them being afraid or attacking him, will make him incredibly happy.

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He said..My father beleaved, That if the world found out who I really was, They reject me, I fear.

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I thought it was: "They'd reject me --- out of fear." Unless Yoda has a writing credit

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That's nice and all, but the same practically occurred with IM2 and that movie sucked IMO.
Just checked: the biggest view count the IM 2 trailers amassed are 25 million on channel and 20 million on another, both needing over two years to muster such numbers. As opposed to IM 3's 32 million accumulated in three days.

Now if you want to call that "the same practically" that is your right.

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Just checked: the biggest view count the IM 2 trailers amassed are 25 million on channel and 20 million on another, both needing over two years to muster such numbers. As opposed to IM 3's 32 million accumulated in three days.

Now if you want to call that "the same practically" that is your right.
TDKR theatrical trailer #2 got over twenty two million views in under 24 hours across the Internet. TDK theatrical trailer #1 got over sixteen million views in the identical time.

The same goes for Iron Man's and Iron Man 2's trailers. The sequel garnered more views than the first installment did in such a short amount of time.

The amount of views is going to increase on every outing, especially if the trailer is well-constructed and the title/character is popular. So, it's not surprising. To me, though, 'views' don't mean diddly squat. Like the universe, the Internet is expanding on a daily basis.

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Default Re: All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - Part 14

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The people that wanted to like ASM loved it, the ones who wanted to hate it before the fact and on principle(and there were alot), ended up doing just that.
I both wanted to and really thought I would like TASM – but I didn't.

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