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It just dawned on me today that the chance of seeing Hank and Janet have now gone close to 0% with the news of Mags kids. I wonder what that does for the Ant-Man film.

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It just dawned on me today that the chance of seeing Hank and Janet have now gone close to 0% with the news of Mags kids. I wonder what that does for the Ant-Man film.
not if the theme for the next wave of Avengers recruits is pairs.

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It just dawned on me today that the chance of seeing Hank and Janet have now gone close to 0% with the news of Mags kids. I wonder what that does for the Ant-Man film.
There's no justification to jump to that conclusion yet.
For all we know Wanda and Pietro will be introduced as villains and only turn to the good side at the end of the movie. There's still room for Hank and Janet to be introduced.

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Do we really think though that they would go with 4 new characters that big? I would love it if they all showed up, but that would bring the Avengers count up to 10, with 4 being brand new. That is a lot of screen time spreading.

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Just because they're introduced doesn't mean they'll all stay as Avengers for the 3rd ensemble movie... Plus there's also the chance that older characters wont come back for the 3rd.
It would be consistent with the frequent roster changes from the comics.

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It just dawned on me today that the chance of seeing Hank and Janet have now gone close to 0% with the news of Mags kids. I wonder what that does for the Ant-Man film.
Not all.

Keep in mind Whedon only just turned in the first draft. Wasp was in a draft of the first avengers movie when they were unsure if Scarlet would be avalible to return as black widow. Whedon has said he really enjoyed writing wasp.

Feige himself has indicated that its not set in stone Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver will be in the final movie. Thing change alot in the developmental stage which is what the avengers sequel is in.

Edgar, Joe and Kevin will sit down later this year and do some script work on the Ant-Man script including working it more into the MCU. Whedon will cast an eye over it as well.

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Just because they're introduced doesn't mean they'll all stay as Avengers for the 3rd ensemble movie... Plus there's also the chance that older characters wont come back for the 3rd.
It would be consistent with the frequent roster changes from the comics.
All 6 will return. Unless something happens with the negotiations, they are going to bring the whole crew back for the first sequel. People will be expecting it, and that is how the end of the first film left it. They are the Avengers for the vast majority of the audience.

Now I am not really talking about a 3rd film. Heck maybe not all of them would make it out of the film. But I just don't think they would try and juggle 6 Avengers, introducing 4 new ones, plus SHIELD and the villain.

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Not all.

Keep in mind Whedon only just turned in the first draft. Wasp was in a draft of the first avengers movie when they were unsure if Scarlet would be avalible to return as black widow. Whedon has said he really enjoyed writing wasp.

Feige himself has indicated that its not set in stone Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver will be in the final movie. Thing change alot in the developmental stage which is what the avengers sequel is in.

Edgar, Joe and Kevin will sit down later this year and do some script work on the Ant-Man script including working it more into the MCU. Whedon will cast an eye over it as well.
That is different. If they drop the siblings that would change a lot of things.

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Now I am not really talking about a 3rd film. Heck maybe not all of them would make it out of the film. But I just don't think they would try and juggle 6 Avengers, introducing 4 new ones, plus SHIELD and the villain.
Ok but that's why I made the comment that we don't know yet that the twins will be brought in as Avengers from the get-go.
If we have a scenario where the twins are introduced as villains, like they were in the X-Men comics, then you'd have your 6 Avengers and possibly intro 2 more (Hank and Janet). I don't think that would be too much, especially if they cut out focus on the Shield background characters.

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Ant-Man follows Avengers 2 so at the very least I think might expect a after credit scene.

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Ok but that's why I made the comment that we don't know yet that the twins will be brought in as Avengers from the get-go.
If we have a scenario where the twins are introduced as villains, like they were in the X-Men comics, then you'd have your 6 Avengers and possibly intro 2 more (Hank and Janet). I don't think that would be too much, especially if they cut out focus on the Shield background characters.
It is possible, but my initiate feeling is that they wouldn't be villains, at least not knowing ones. I know it is very early, but I would think they would be brought in "Ultimates" style.

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I lean to the side saying "this reduces the odds of Hank and Jan." It doesn't *eliminate* the possibility, but it does lower it. This, concurrently, ups the odds that Ant-Man will star Scott Lang, with the "Hank Pym as retired former scientist/hero" element.

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I would be very angry if that were to happen.

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Do we really think though that they would go with 4 new characters that big? I would love it if they all showed up, but that would bring the Avengers count up to 10, with 4 being brand new. That is a lot of screen time spreading.
Its possible, since this is not the first Avengers movie and half of the old cast already appeared in the other MCU movies after the 1st Avengers movie.

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The Avengers do not have a 10-man roster (until recently). There's always a limit of 7-8 at a time with a rotation of characters. Not to mention Joss said he wants to go deeper with ALL of the characters from the first movie and introducing 4 (or 6 heroes like some of you oddly speculate) makes no sense.

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It just dawned on me today that the chance of seeing Hank and Janet have now gone close to 0% with the news of Mags kids. I wonder what that does for the Ant-Man film.
I've always found it laughable that people thought they would be in it in the first place and tried to tell you guys. But of course, fanboy blind hope trumps actual logic.

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I lean to the side saying "this reduces the odds of Hank and Jan." It doesn't *eliminate* the possibility, but it does lower it. This, concurrently, ups the odds that Ant-Man will star Scott Lang, with the "Hank Pym as retired former scientist/hero" element.
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But of course, fanboy blind hope trumps actual logic.
Which is in turn trumped by condescension. I can almost feel the sneer three states away.

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Every additional new character decreases the odds of further characters being added, simply because there is a practical limit to the cast size. Its not a sure thing, certainly, because there isn't a hard limit on cast size, but if you already have, say, 12 main characters? Its more likely that Whedon is going to say "Okay, I don't have enough screen time to handle two more people."

In turn, if Hank and Jan *are* in Avengers, than it would be kind of silly to spin off a movie starring a different Ant-Man than in the ( most likely ) billion dollar mega hit earlier in the year. However, if Hank isn't in Avengers, there isn't the same incentive to have him star in Ant-Man.

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I meant how does it up the chances of Scott Lang being the star and Hank being old.

EDIT: I'm very confused on how Hank not being in the Avengers creates less incentive to have him star as Ant-Man, while at the same time him being in Avengers decreases it as well. You might as well just say you think Scott is going to be Ant-Man no matter what.

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Every additional new character decreases the odds of further characters being added, simply because there is a practical limit to the cast size. Its not a sure thing, certainly, because there isn't a hard limit on cast size, but if you already have, say, 12 main characters? Its more likely that Whedon is going to say "Okay, I don't have enough screen time to handle two more people."

In turn, if Hank and Jan *are* in Avengers, than it would be kind of silly to spin off a movie starring a different Ant-Man than in the ( most likely ) billion dollar mega hit earlier in the year. However, if Hank isn't in Avengers, there isn't the same incentive to have him star in Ant-Man.
they might both appear as S.H.I.E.L.D scientists (makes sense to develop a science team instead of relying on Stark and/or Banner); for their first appearance. from that position, they could easily set up Vision and Ultron. they could suit up for the final battle/let it be a surprise.

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I lean to the side saying "this reduces the odds of Hank and Jan." It doesn't *eliminate* the possibility, but it does lower it. This, concurrently, ups the odds that Ant-Man will star Scott Lang, with the "Hank Pym as retired former scientist/hero" element.
possibly. but he also said that he was trying to fit it more into the regular marvel universe. with the time slide, Pym might have retired his costumed identity but be physically viable enough to pick up a new one (i.e. Giant-Man), in one of the Avengers movies. they're already obliged to include him in the Ant-Man movie; to explain Pym Particles/their creation.

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I meant how does it up the chances of Scott Lang being the star and Hank being old.

EDIT: I'm very confused on how Hank not being in the Avengers creates less incentive to have him star as Ant-Man, while at the same time him being in Avengers decreases it as well. You might as well just say you think Scott is going to be Ant-Man no matter what.
You misunderstand me. If he's in Avengers, it increases the odds of him also being the hero of Ant-Man. If you remove that factor, than it decreases the odds of him being the hero of Ant-Man simply by virtue of a positive factor being removed. And Scott Lang I presume benefits from any reduction in Hank's odds because of Wright's prior favorable comments towards Lang.

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I'm hoping that Avengers 2 breaks down like this.
Tony, having blown up his suits and having his heart fixed/arc reactor removed = unavailable. Consultant only. Thor, off in Asgard, unavailable. Banner keeping a low profile, unavailable.
Cap being the only one of the big four available, Shield assembles the mach 2 Avengers ala Avengers #16. Cap, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, and though canonwise, not correct, Black Widow.
Along with these please ad Hank and Jan! Plus they may want to feature Falcon as a carryover from Cap2. Because you bout gotta have at least one flyer! (sure Jan's a flyer, but only when she's tiny, not visually impressive against a sky background) Hank can become Giant Man to make up for some of the raw strenth lost with Thor and Hulk.
Remember, they're alot of different Avengers line-ups that need to be touched on. Working with a new version of the second line-upfrom the comics might not be to far a stretch for Avengers 2. THor, Hulk and Tony, who has built a new suit with the arc reactor built in it, can all arrive at climactic end battle to help save the day maybe.


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EDIT: I'm very confused on how Hank not being in the Avengers creates less incentive to have him star as Ant-Man, while at the same time him being in Avengers decreases it as well. You might as well just say you think Scott is going to be Ant-Man no matter what.
Wright has always said he loves the "To Steal an Ant-Man" story.

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It just dawned on me today that the chance of seeing Hank and Janet have now gone close to 0% with the news of Mags kids. I wonder what that does for the Ant-Man film.
Ant-Man would probably be saved for The Avengers 3. And his film is post-Avengers 2. I have no problem with it.

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If Edgar is going to somewhat follow To Steal An Ant-Man I wonder if Pym will know its Lang who stole his costume and keep tabs on him like he did in To Steal An Ant-Man?

Instead of getting knocked out by Cross Technological Enterprises security devices preventing him from helping Lang he could get captured and then later freed by Lang. They then team up to take down the villain.

Instead of working for Stark industries Lang could work for Cross Technological Enterprises.
Is he going to have Cross Technological Enterprises villains Darren Agonistes Cross, Augustine Cross and Crossfire?

Crossfire is a former CIA agent and expert in the field of brainwashing, robotics and cybernetics. They could redesign Crossfires supervillain foot soldiers the Death T.H.R.O.W.S". (Techno Hybird Remotely Operated Weapons Systems) that are robotic constructs that obey only his commands and each carry a small capable arsenal concealed within their armored shells.

I could see Darren Cross as the villain with his Cousin Crossfire as his henchman. I'm not sure if Darren Cross should turn into a pink Hulk though. I would say perhaps he could get superpowered by some of the nanotechnology Edgar was talking about but that would be too similar to Killian.

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