Matthew Vaughn Is NOT Helming X-Men: First Class Sequel - Part 1

[Mrs Vimes]

Originally Posted by X-Maniac

I think in First Class, some of the characters were a bit insubstantial - namely Emma, Banshee and Havok.

I agree, they were all a bit underdone. Of the three, Banshee came off the best to me, because Caleb Landry Jones has a kind of a gangly, goofy, likeable energy to him; but Lucas Till is rather more wooden. January Jones gets way too much hate in some quarters, but I definitely think that an actress with a bit more oomph could still have made the character work better even with the lines she was given. Her flat delivery works fine for her character in Mad Men but not so much outside of it.

[Angamb]

Originally Posted by NanaT

I think someone's said it before but it would be good to see the time traveller react emotionally when they saw someone who was dead in the future alive again. The same way kitty reacted to seeing nightcrawler in the comics. It could only work with Prof X, magneto, Beast and magneto though as they're the only ones that the time traveller (no matter who he/she is) would have known. Of that four I see it being beast and I would just love to see the young beast's expression to hearing about his death

would LOVE to see this! and it could give Hank a reason to defend the mutant issue harder, I think.

[blueserenity]

Originally Posted by NanaT

I think someone's said it before but it would be good to see the time traveller react emotionally when they saw someone who was dead in the future alive again. The same way kitty reacted to seeing nightcrawler in the comics. It could only work with Prof X, magneto, Beast and magneto though as they're the only ones that the time traveller (no matter who he/she is) would have known. Of that four I see it being beast and I would just love to see the young beast's expression to hearing about his death

This is why more than anything I'd love to see SirIan!Magneto visit McAvoyCharles. Or their older selves visit their younger selves. But Charles or Erik needs to be the time traveller, definitely.

[Duran Man]

I guess, instead of physically sending someone to the past, future Charles could send his consciousness to 60s Charles (like what they did with Kitty). I'm liking that idea more than the alternative. I'd also like to see Charles create the device "lightweight, flexible metal braces" that give him the ability to walk again, otherwise I don't see how he could be of significant use.

[blueserenity]

Originally Posted by Duran Man

I guess, instead of physically sending someone to the past, future Charles could send his consciousness to 60s Charles (like what they did with Kitty). I'm liking that idea more than the alternative. I'd also like to see Charles create the device "lightweight, flexible metal braces" that give him the ability to walk again, otherwise I don't see how he could be of significant use.

But then young Charles wouldn't get any development. He still has a long way to go before he turns into Patrick Stewart Charles. It's one of the reasons his character was finally so interesting (I have always disliked Professor X in ALL of his incarnations except First Class, where he was finally relatable).

[Mrs Vimes]

I don't want the future Charles sending his consciousness back and basically overwriting young!Charles. That's just swapping a character for somebody else entirely. And making Charles walk again with some devices would cheapen his tragedy, he can't participate in action scenes true but then his character was never much action-oriented even when he was walking.

What if it happens the other way around and somehow young!Charles's consciousness travels into the future and then he comes back and everyone thinks he's raving? Just an idea, not saying it's a good one

[Duran Man]

I'd rather see Charles working on a devise that could get him walking again than see him lamenting his paralysis, feeling sorry for himself and doing nothing to improve the situation, but that's just me (I guess the feeling sorry bit could happen before and during his effort to walk again). I suppose this could happen before his consciousness is taken over by future Charles (whose characterization I prefer over young Charles, but again, that's just me).

[Loganbabe]

Well, he's allowed to feel sorry for himself after what happened. Paralysis from the waist down is not something you brush aside like a minor flesh wound. It changed Charles' life irrevocably. Of course no one expects a whole movie of Charles dealing with his paralysis, but if he doesn't mourn his new condition before passing onto the acceptance phase, his tragedy will look cheap and it'll be a waste of a good opportunity to give him a well deserved characterization. If Erik's tragedies were dealt with respect, why Charles' should be ignored?

[Alex Logan]

Originally Posted by EnDz0n3

"First Class is the best X-men film ever!!! Thank god Vaughn took the reins from Singer! Keep hack-Singer away from my X-men"

"First Class is the best X-men film ever!!!"
"But it focused only on 1, 2 characters the most?"
"Blame Singer."

Cool story bro.

[psylockolussus]

Originally Posted by X-Maniac

Especially if Havok and Banshee are told they are dead in the future, blasted to bits by Sentinels. That would give the younger versions more of a stake in the story.

Yeah that would be nice!

Originally Posted by Angamb

totally agree too. Emma was a poor character. I think Matthew didnt do a decent job with her at all. So if I have one thing to blame him about, its Emma.

I thought Emma was fine, she had her moments and I really liked when she transformed into diamond form. Though it was kinda odd that she was missing at the climax scene where the good mutants and the Hellfire Club fought with each other. Plus the way Professor X and Magneto defeated her, like I said before, Emma should have fought harder especially she was in diamond form, she could have easily throw Magneto again. Hopefully she'll have more role in DOFP and who knows she could end-up like X2 Mystique.

[The Guard]

Though it was kinda odd that she was missing at the climax scene where the good mutants and the Hellfire Club fought with each other.

Wasn't she imprisoned?

[JP]

My only problem with Emma was JJ's performance, everything else was perfect. Her hair/wardrobe/dialog. All very Emma.

[Sawyer]

If she had been playing an original character, I wouldn't have had any real problem with Jones. But know what an ice cold queen ***** that Emma is in the comics, she just didn't pull it off.

[Project862006]

charlize theron would of pulled that off in her sleep

[X-Maniac]

Originally Posted by Project862006

charlize theron would of pulled that off in her sleep

Maybe so, but I'm getting a bit bored of Charlize Theron playing mean, nasty women (Hancock, Prometheus and Snow White and the Huntsman) - especially as it sometimes seems forced and unconvincing.

I don't think she would have made a better Emma. Too tall and slim, too famous for the role.

[Mrs Vimes]

Originally Posted by X-Maniac

Maybe so, but I'm getting a bit bored of Charlize Theron playing mean, nasty women

Yeah that. Plus the nasty women she's played that I've seen were all terribly humourless. Which I don't think would suit the character they were going for in FC.

[X-Maniac]

Originally Posted by Mrs Vimes

Yeah that. Plus the nasty women she's played that I've seen were all terribly humourless. Which I don't think would suit the character they were going for in FC.

Yep, she needs to be a bit more vivacious (and voluptuous), with a twinkle in her eye and a sardonic wit.

I hope they are feeding up January Jones for reprising the role in DoFP, if indeed she does.

For an older version, Desperate Housewives actress Nicollette Sheridan might be good.

[marvelrobbins]

Inless they are jumping ahead to 1970's or 1980's as past Emma Frost will not be recast.And news after Bryan Singer being signed suggest several cast members from
earlier films will be In this.The future scenes will mostly be with cast of earlier films.

[Alex Logan]

After thinking about your post I decided to you give you a REAL reply rather than continue the nonsense.

Originally Posted by EnDz0n3

First Class is the best X-men film ever!!!

Yeah, pretty much.

Originally Posted by EnDz0n3

Thank god Vaughn took the reins from Singer!

Vaughn didn't really "take" the reins from Singer. I know Singer had a hand in First Class and that's where he belongs, behind the scenes.

Originally Posted by EnDz0n3

"Keep hack-Singer away from my X-men"

Singer's not a hack. He's a brilliant filmmaker really, he just needs to say away from comic book films. I don't see anyone praising him for the gem that was Superman Returns.

Originally Posted by EnDz0n3

"First Class is the best X-men film ever!!!"

You said that already.

Originally Posted by EnDz0n3

"But it focused only on 1, 2 characters the most?"

Not really.

Originally Posted by EnDz0n3

"Blame Singer."

Again, not really.

Originally Posted by EnDz0n3

You sound pretty serious to me.

[marvelrobbins]

Yeah keep mentioning Superman returns.I didn't hear people wanting Sam Rami keep away from SPider-Man 4 when they were going to d that even though Spider-Man 3 Is far worse.Bryan Singer resurrected the genre with X-men and made best X-Men film with X2(that's not just my oporion X2 often Is only X-Men film placed on top 10 comic book films list) and If you like First Class Singer was a big part of It.He devolped the story and picked characters.Matthew Vaughn brought the more bond qualitys made It a bit more Magneto sotry than an Xavier and Magneto story that Singer Intended,added the Beast-Mystique relationship,and dropped sunspot form Hellfire and a Xavier-Moira-Magneto triangle.

[DJ Kornphlake]

Singer doesn't need to stay away from comic book films, he just needs to stay away from Superman films.

[Alex Logan]

Originally Posted by marvelrobbins

Yeah keep mentioning Superman returns.I didn't hear people wanting Sam Rami keep away from SPider-Man 4 when they were going to d that even though Spider-Man 3 Is far worse.Bryan Singer resurrected the genre with X-men and made best X-Men film with X2(that's not just my oporion X2 often Is only X-Men film placed on top 10 comic book films list) and If you like First Class Singer was a big part of It.He devolped the story and picked characters.Matthew Vaughn brought the more bond qualitys made It a bit more Magneto sotry than an Xavier and Magneto story that Singer Intended,added the Beast-Mystique relationship,and dropped sunspot form Hellfire and a Xavier-Moira-Magneto triangle.

Did you even read my post?

[Alison Blaire]

Director Bryan Singer is better than Vaughn.
He made the best X-Men movie (X2)

[Alex Logan]

Originally Posted by Alison Blaire

Director Bryan Singer is better than Vaughn. He made the best X-Men movie (X2)

Unbelievable... you've convinced me.

[The Infernal]

I fail to see how this argument is important. Both have worked on some of the best X-movies, that's all I'm concerned about. Neither are without their flaws, but I'm happy that at least they are both still on board this movie in some form. Frankly I think anyone else stepping in after Vaughn would be too much of an unknown quantity.