Hardcore Ghost Rider Film

KTKomedy2813 · 11-04-2012, 09:02 AM

Hey, did you hate how Columbia handled the Ghost Rider films? Well, I feel there should be another Ghost Rider franchise, but this time produced by Marvel Studios and done right, as a hardcore, big-budget, R-rated gorefest.

If you want to see this happen in the future, with Marvel producing a gruesome Ghost Rider film, who would you want to direct, and why?

Chewy · 11-04-2012, 09:41 AM

The Ghost Rider films were terrible. I wouldn't exactly call a lack of gruesome violence one of their biggest issues.

The Guard · 11-04-2012, 09:59 AM

Because MARVEL would be able to make more money by appealing to less people?

Smashlilman · 11-04-2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Guard

Because MARVEL would be able to make more money by appealing to less people?

It's all about the allocation of funds. If Marvel could give there Ghost Rider film a Blade 1 or 2 level budget and Targeted there advertisement towards a similar demographics as Blade then it could work.

Raiden · 11-04-2012, 12:11 PM

I do think GR should be borderline R-rated, because he has a flaming skull as his head, for starter. However, what GR really needs are a competent director with a great script, and a cast that isn't cringe-worthy (yes Nick Cage, I'm looking at you). But I think a superhero movie where the hero has a CGI head and deals with demons and such is already fighting an uphill battle to begin with, and Sony hasn't proved that they know what to do with this franchise yet.

cherokeesam · 11-04-2012, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiden

I do think GR should be borderline R-rated, because he has a flaming skull as his head, for starter. However, what GR really needs are a competent director with a great script, and a cast that isn't cringe-worthy (yes Nick Cage, I'm looking at you). But I think a superhero movie where the hero has a CGI head and deals with demons and such is already fighting an uphill battle to begin with, and Sony hasn't proved that they know what to do with this franchise yet.

The concept is "high" enough, and still has all kinds of cool factor to the right demographic. It's just that the demographic is NOT PG or even PG-13 material. Ghost Rider is about sheer horror, nightmares, bloody justice and retribution, and full-on heavy metal. ZZ Top doesn't belong on a GR soundtrack; Black Sabbath, Slayer, Cannibal Corpse and Death do. Until you get a writer and director who both understands and embraces that, the franchise will never work.

Spider‐Man · 11-05-2012, 08:29 AM

They should let Stephen Norrington have a crack at it since his wsas the best Blade movie. Maybe he could oversee the Marvel Monsters films (Morbius, Werewolf by Night, etc.).

KangConquers · 11-05-2012, 08:51 AM

It will take a while for the property to live down two awful Nick Cage movies. I think we're looking at the quarter century mark for a new Ghost Rider film to finally escape the baggage of the original and work.

OB12 · 11-05-2012, 09:31 AM

I think the problem with a hard R-rated Ghost Rider film is that it doesn't make a ton of sense from a business perspective. Horror movies are typically low budget affairs, which works for the majority of them. They can still turn a profit even though the R-rating limits the available audience.

The problem this presents for Ghost Rider is that the film is going to inherently require a larger budget, probably $100M - $120M to do the character right. I haven't seen SOV, but I heard that GR only makes a few appearance. In the next film you really need it to be about GR, and not Johnny Blaze, so that means GR throughout the majority of the movie. That's going to be expensive.

tvor03 · 11-05-2012, 09:37 AM

Why is Phil Tippett on this list? He didn't direct Jurassic Park or Starship Troopers. He did visual effects for them.

KTKomedy2813 · 11-05-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tvor03

Why is Phil Tippett on this list? He didn't direct Jurassic Park or Starship Troopers. He did visual effects for them.

But he can be a good director, as seen in his shorts "It Lurks" and "MutantLand".

WolframCreative · 11-05-2012, 03:16 PM

I loved the GR effects work and direction in the past film, but Nick Cage is poison IMO in these adoptions. Hire a young unknown actor, make it much more R rated and horror based, and aim low. GR is never going to be huge like Spider-man or the Avengers, so don't expect the stars.

AVEITWITHJAMON · 11-06-2012, 07:08 AM

While I want to see a hard-core GR film, Marvel are never going to do it and it has less chance of being successful while still needing a biggish budget.

GR can work in PG-13 territory as he is fighting demons often enough so blood and guts arent necessary, but it needs a better vision than the first movie and especially the terrible 2nd gave us.

Midnyte_Sun · 11-10-2012, 08:11 AM

I wonder how long it will take for price of CG to go down far enough to allow Ghost Rider to become a TV series. I think this format could work very well.

JB-the-Hunter · 11-10-2012, 11:38 AM

Marvel should make a Blade/Dr. Strange/Ghost Rider film even though it seems DC is already doing something like that.

DarkSovereignty · 11-10-2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnyte_Sun

I wonder how long it will take for price of CG to go down far enough to allow Ghost Rider to become a TV series. I think this format could work very well.

maybe an animated series, maybe on mtv or adult swim or something so they don't have to shy away from hell oriented subject matter.

wampa1 · 11-10-2012, 01:04 PM

Evil Dead / Evil Dead 2 Sam Raimi would be perfect. GR is the kind of property that gets sillier the more serious you treat it. I was on board when I heard the Crank guys were doing GR2 but it was way too watered down. 80s Raimi would strike the perfect balance between horror and comedy.

NewYorkSpider · 11-13-2012, 10:09 PM

I have yet to watch both Ghost Rider films. Are they worth watching? I was never really interested in the character.

Kar · 11-15-2012, 07:56 AM

The second one was easily the biggest piece of **** I've seen since my last BM. The first was at least entertaining. Still bad though.

Darker isn't ALWAYS the route to go and while this is Ghost Rider we're talking about I think the tone of the first one was just fine. It just didn't need Nic Cage. And the story could've been fleshed out more. It was kinda dull.

AVEITWITHJAMON · 11-18-2012, 04:25 PM

^I just think GR himself wasnt serious enough in the first movie, GR shouldnt be quipping, he should just be getting on with what he does best. Other than that I actually enjoyed the first movie, it was a lot better than the 2nd movie.

TheWatcher · 11-18-2012, 05:42 PM

I want Ghost Rider to look like this, collar and all. I also want him to be 7 ft tall.

View Poll Results: Who should direct an R-rated Ghost Rider film?
Robert Rodriguez (Sin City, Planet Terror)	5	31.25%
Andy & Lana Wachowski (Matrix, V for Vendetta)	1	6.25%
Drew Goddard (Cabin in the Woods, Cloverfield)	5	31.25%
Wes Craven (A Nightmare on Elm Street, Scream)	1	6.25%
Ronny Yu (Freddy vs Jason)	0	0%
Paul Verhoeven (Starship Troopers, Robocop, Total Recall)	2	12.50%
Phil Tippett (Jurassic Park, Starship Troopers)	0	0%
Christophe Sans (Silent Hill)	1	6.25%
Other (suggest director in response if you chose other)	1	6.25%
Voters: 16. You may not vote on this poll

11-04-2012, 09:02 AM	#1
KTKomedy2813 Newbie First Class Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 21	Hardcore Ghost Rider Film Hey, did you hate how Columbia handled the Ghost Rider films? Well, I feel there should be another Ghost Rider franchise, but this time produced by Marvel Studios and done right, as a hardcore, big-budget, R-rated gorefest. If you want to see this happen in the future, with Marvel producing a gruesome Ghost Rider film, who would you want to direct, and why?

11-04-2012, 09:41 AM	#2
Chewy REDACTED Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 12,348	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film The Ghost Rider films were terrible. I wouldn't exactly call a lack of gruesome violence one of their biggest issues.

11-04-2012, 09:59 AM	#3
The Guard Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,119	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film Because MARVEL would be able to make more money by appealing to less people? __________________ Writer and Lyricist of GOTHAM'S KNIGHT: THE BATMAN MUSICAL And if I'm right The future's looking bright A symbol in the skies at night

11-04-2012, 12:11 PM	#5
Raiden Start Your Agents... Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 22,213	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film I do think GR should be borderline R-rated, because he has a flaming skull as his head, for starter. However, what GR really needs are a competent director with a great script, and a cast that isn't cringe-worthy (yes Nick Cage, I'm looking at you). But I think a superhero movie where the hero has a CGI head and deals with demons and such is already fighting an uphill battle to begin with, and Sony hasn't proved that they know what to do with this franchise yet. __________________ "There are two things that I can’t stand when I go to see a movie based on a comic book: being ignored and being pandered to. Fans are well aware when movies are doing either one." - Joss Whedon

11-05-2012, 08:29 AM	#7
Spider‐Man Banned User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 298	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film They should let Stephen Norrington have a crack at it since his wsas the best Blade movie. Maybe he could oversee the Marvel Monsters films (Morbius, Werewolf by Night, etc.).

11-05-2012, 08:51 AM	#8
KangConquers Purple Kang, Purple Kang Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,216	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film It will take a while for the property to live down two awful Nick Cage movies. I think we're looking at the quarter century mark for a new Ghost Rider film to finally escape the baggage of the original and work. Last edited by KangConquers; 11-05-2012 at 08:54 AM.

11-05-2012, 09:31 AM	#9
OB12 Side-Kick Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,018	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film I think the problem with a hard R-rated Ghost Rider film is that it doesn't make a ton of sense from a business perspective. Horror movies are typically low budget affairs, which works for the majority of them. They can still turn a profit even though the R-rating limits the available audience. The problem this presents for Ghost Rider is that the film is going to inherently require a larger budget, probably $100M - $120M to do the character right. I haven't seen SOV, but I heard that GR only makes a few appearance. In the next film you really need it to be about GR, and not Johnny Blaze, so that means GR throughout the majority of the movie. That's going to be expensive.

11-05-2012, 09:37 AM	#10
tvor03 Side-Kick Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 110	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film Why is Phil Tippett on this list? He didn't direct Jurassic Park or Starship Troopers. He did visual effects for them.

11-05-2012, 03:16 PM	#12
WolframCreative Banned User Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Longwood, FL Posts: 19	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film I loved the GR effects work and direction in the past film, but Nick Cage is poison IMO in these adoptions. Hire a young unknown actor, make it much more R rated and horror based, and aim low. GR is never going to be huge like Spider-man or the Avengers, so don't expect the stars.

11-06-2012, 07:08 AM	#13
AVEITWITHJAMON Terminator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Liverpool, U.K Posts: 21,410	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film While I want to see a hard-core GR film, Marvel are never going to do it and it has less chance of being successful while still needing a biggish budget. GR can work in PG-13 territory as he is fighting demons often enough so blood and guts arent necessary, but it needs a better vision than the first movie and especially the terrible 2nd gave us. __________________ 2013: 1)Django Unchained-9(2)Star Trek Into Darkness-9(3)Iron Man 3-9(4)Evil Dead-8(5)Oblivion-8(6)The Last Stand-7.5(7)Oz: The Great And Powerful-7.5(8)Jack The Giant Slayer-7.5

11-10-2012, 08:11 AM	#14
Midnyte_Sun Medianoche de Sol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: USA Posts: 4,753	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film I wonder how long it will take for price of CG to go down far enough to allow Ghost Rider to become a TV series. I think this format could work very well.

11-10-2012, 11:38 AM	#15
JB-the-Hunter Hunter of weaklings Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film Marvel should make a Blade/Dr. Strange/Ghost Rider film even though it seems DC is already doing something like that. __________________ Natasha Romanoff - "Are you boys really that naive? S.H.I.E.L.D. monitors potential threats." Bruce Banner - "Captain America is on threat watch?" Natasha Romanoff - "We all are."

11-10-2012, 01:04 PM	#17
wampa1 Side-Kick Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 126	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film Evil Dead / Evil Dead 2 Sam Raimi would be perfect. GR is the kind of property that gets sillier the more serious you treat it. I was on board when I heard the Crank guys were doing GR2 but it was way too watered down. 80s Raimi would strike the perfect balance between horror and comedy.

11-13-2012, 10:09 PM	#18
NewYorkSpider Come Closer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 20,546	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film I have yet to watch both Ghost Rider films. Are they worth watching? I was never really interested in the character. __________________ Avatar by Kane52630 ....

11-15-2012, 07:56 AM	#19
Kar Side-Kick Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 645	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film The second one was easily the biggest piece of **** I've seen since my last BM. The first was at least entertaining. Still bad though. Darker isn't ALWAYS the route to go and while this is Ghost Rider we're talking about I think the tone of the first one was just fine. It just didn't need Nic Cage. And the story could've been fleshed out more. It was kinda dull.

11-18-2012, 04:25 PM	#20
AVEITWITHJAMON Terminator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Liverpool, U.K Posts: 21,410	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film ^I just think GR himself wasnt serious enough in the first movie, GR shouldnt be quipping, he should just be getting on with what he does best. Other than that I actually enjoyed the first movie, it was a lot better than the 2nd movie. __________________ 2013: 1)Django Unchained-9(2)Star Trek Into Darkness-9(3)Iron Man 3-9(4)Evil Dead-8(5)Oblivion-8(6)The Last Stand-7.5(7)Oz: The Great And Powerful-7.5(8)Jack The Giant Slayer-7.5

11-18-2012, 05:42 PM	#21
TheWatcher Dapper Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 2,768	Re: Hardcore Ghost Rider Film I want Ghost Rider to look like this, collar and all. I also want him to be 7 ft tall. __________________ "I have this theory that, depending on your attitude, your life doesn't have to become this ridiculous charade that it seems so many people end up living." -Christian Bale

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