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Old 11-05-2012, 12:18 PM   #226
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I'm def in the minority about that final scene with Rick.

Clearly, I have no heart, because the company I was with and I laughed during the RIck break down.

It just seemed so over the top and the fall was just idek.

I'm waiting for the Rick fall to be the new "Rick Roll" meme, tbh. And when he was bending and looking at Carl and saying no, I'm waiting for the new "u mad bro" gif sets, honestly.


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I'm def in the minority about that final scene with Rick.

Clearly, I have no heart, because the company I was with and I laughed during the RIck break down.

It just seemed so over the top and the fall was just idek.

I'm waiting for the Rick fall to be the new "Rick Roll" meme, tbh. And when he was bending and looking at Carl and saying no, I'm waiting for the new "u mad bro" gif sets, honestly.


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Yea I've put that out there before, I think there is still a chance for Merle, all depends if Rick can earn his respect, they could use the muscle now, man with knifehand and ability to survive would be another welcomed addition, would have to keep him on a short leash though, but the inner group conflicts keep things interesting.

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I quite liked Rick's reaction, at first it threw me off, but it felt very raw. Which is an excellent performance, he seemed ecstatic about having the baby at first, than once realizing lori wasn't there...it just hit him like a brick wall. It's the first close person Rick has lost, that was family.

I just can't believe they didn't save this for a mid-season finale.

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I'm def in the minority about that final scene with Rick.

Clearly, I have no heart, because the company I was with and I laughed during the RIck break down.

It just seemed so over the top and the fall was just idek.

I'm waiting for the Rick fall to be the new "Rick Roll" meme, tbh. And when he was bending and looking at Carl and saying no, I'm waiting for the new "u mad bro" gif sets, honestly.


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Meh. To each their own. It's fiction, so you can't really be "heartless" for your reaction. My friends were laughing and joking during Lori's death scene.

I personally found Rick's reaction to be very chilling and real, but I can see why you might look at it as over the top...there are few too few people who could have displayed so many emotions in such a short amount of time...hell, too few shows who would probably even allow that type of emotional reaction.

For me, the biggest moment in that scene is the point where he bends down in front of Carl, though I can see those being used in memes as well. It was like Rick was looking at Carl in hopes that his son would say "No, she's alive, don't worry", as well as a moment of anger - "why couldn't you protect your mother? I trusted you to be a man and you couldn't help her", before realizing that yes, Lori is dead, and he failed his family his poor son was forced to deal with Lori, and that Carl would never be the same.

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Some cynical people. Find out your 11 year old child had to shoot his mother after watching his sibling cut from her only months after having to kill a man who was once your best friend in front of your kid all after waking up in a zombie apocalypse and see how you all react. To say ricks reaction was over the top is pretty ridiculous. Its all about context and Ricks reaction was understandable in the context of things and even out of context i expect it. Some people break things, some people shut down, and some collapse. Everyone grieves different in different situations. It doesnt mean they are weak or not a man. It means they are human beings.

Carl will never be the same. There isnt enough therapy and medication in the world to fix him. He will be a broken human being after this and rick knows that. As a parent this would feel like the worst kind of failure. On top of that he lost his wife with unspoken words between them. And he has a new child. Honestly its a wonder he didnt just pass out from it all.


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I thought it was funny when he tilted his head after bent down...Thats about it, hes hysterical crying because he didnt get to see her at all

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For me, the biggest moment in that scene is the point where he bends down in front of Carl, though I can see those being used in memes as well. It was like Rick was looking at Carl in hopes that his son would say "No, she's alive, don't worry", as well as a moment of anger - "why couldn't you protect your mother? I trusted you to be a man and you couldn't help her", before realizing that yes, Lori is dead, and he failed his family his poor son was forced to deal with Lori, and that Carl would never be the same.
For me, I got the impression that when Rick bent down and looked at Carl, he was thinking more along the lines of "OMG Carl had to experience/see his mother die" and that really hurt Rick, rather than blaming him.

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Some cynical people. Find out your 11 year old child had to shoot his mother after watching his sibling cut from her only months after having to kill a man who was once your best friend in front of your kid all after waking up in a zombie apocalypse and see how you all react. To say ricks reaction was over the top is pretty ridiculous. Its all about context and Ricks reaction was understandable in the context of things and even out of context i expect it. Some people break things, some people shut down, and some collapse. Everyone grieves different in different situations. It doesnt mean they are weak or not a man. It means they are human beings.

Carl will never be the same. There isnt enough therapy and medication in the world to fix him. He will be a broken human being after this and rick knows that. As a parent this would feel like the worst kind of failure. On top of that he lost his wife with unspoken words between them. And he has a new child. Honestly its a wonder he didnt just pass out from it all.
Totally agree. Rick has been through more than any one man should have to endure in a year's time. He wakes up from a coma to a post-apocalyptic world. He tries to hold onto his humanity in an environment that is seemingly set against him. He has seen his son shot, he has had to put down a little girl that he put great effort into finding, and he had to kill his childhood friend. Now he comes to find out that his wife, who had unresolved issues with, has died and he realizes his son had a hand in making sure she stayed dead. Oh and btw, he now has a newborn to care for in this world.

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I;m at work, so I'm assuming this is a gif set of the break down? idk, it was hilarious to me.

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Totally agree. Rick has been through more than any one man should have to endure in a year's time. He wakes up from a coma to a post-apocalyptic world. He tries to hold onto his humanity in an environment that is seemingly set against him. He has seen his son shot, he has had to put down a little girl that he put great effort into finding, and he had to kill his childhood friend. Now he comes to find out that his wife, who had unresolved issues with, has died and he realizes his son had a hand in making sure she stayed dead. Oh and btw, he now has a newborn to care for in this world.
It's a tv show. fiction doesn't move me the way real life does. I've cried at a movie once, and it was a pretty ridic scene to cry during.

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That is fine but for anyone to say his ricks reaction was over the top is being foolish. Rick exists in this world. He is a living breathing part of it. His reactions to the events of that world should not be toned down because it is television. They should be as real as our own reactions would be in our real world.


For me, though, the setting is fiction true human emotions like we got in this episode are real no matter where you place them. Fiction or non fiction, anyone who has lost a loved one or has collapsed like he did can relate to what is being expressed on screen and to be moved by that is perfectly natural. Sure you get up lifted when a character succeeds? Or feel excitement at a thrilling moment? Why those emotions? Why are those emotions ok in fiction, but sorror isnt?

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That is fine but for anyone to say his ricks reaction was over the top is being foolish. Rick exists in this world. He is a living breathing part of it. His reactions to the events of that world should not be toned down because it is television. They should be as real as our own reactions would be in our real world.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Either you're taking it too seriously or I'm not taking it seriously enough. Idk. But it was a bit over the top, which, for a dramatic show about the dead walking and eating flesh really isn't that big of a deal, but in essence was a bit funny to me.

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That is fine but for anyone to say his ricks reaction was over the top is being foolish. Rick exists in this world. He is a living breathing part of it. His reactions to the events of that world should not be toned down because it is television. They should be as real as our own reactions would be in our real world.


For me, though, the setting is fiction true human emotions like we got in this episode are real no matter where you place them. Fiction or non fiction, anyone who has lost a loved one or has collapsed like he did can relate to what is being expressed on screen and to be moved by that is perfectly natural. Sure you get up lifted when a character succeeds? Or feel excitement at a thrilling moment? Why those emotions? Why are those emotions ok in fiction, but sorror isnt?
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Hell, I'd have a pretty strong reaction if my wife died during childbirth in today's world. I'd be grief stricken and totally overwhelmed at the prospect of dealing with a newborn on my own. I don't have flesh-eating zombies trying kill me at every turn and I have the necessary food, medicine, equipment to deal with the situation.

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We'll have to agree to disagree. Either you're taking it too seriously or I'm not taking it seriously enough. Idk. But it was a bit over the top, which, for a dramatic show about the dead walking and eating flesh really isn't that big of a deal, but in essence was a bit funny to me.
Well, the show isn't about the dead walking. Like the creator has said this show is about the characters, and even the title is a reference to the group not the zombies. The group is the walking dead.

And as I said, whether the setting is fiction or non fiction true human emotions like we got in this episode are real no matter where you place them. Fiction or non fiction, anyone who has lost a loved one or has collapsed like he did can relate to what is being expressed on screen and to be moved by that is perfectly natural. You get up lifted when a character succeeds? Or feel excitement at a thrilling moment? Why those emotions? Why is feeling those emotions towards fiction natural, but sorrow isnt? You've never felt emotion like Rick just did?

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In context, thought Rick's reaction was well done and seemed fitting given what the man had just lost. Think about it, in a matter of about 30 seconds, Rick just found out.

1. He just had a child.
2. His wife died during childbirth.
3. His 11 year old son watched his own mother get gutted and die.
4. His son had to put a bullet in own mother's head so she doesnt come back as a walker, which in effect robs him of any innocence he has left and all but guarantees he's going to have some MAJOR issues for the rest of his life.

Rewatch the scene, Rick REALLY loses it only when looking at Carl and the lifeless gaze on his face.

That's a lot for a husband/father to absorb all at once. Most of us would probably collapse to the ground and be inconsolable as well.

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some cynical people. Find out your 11 year old child had to shoot his mother after watching his sibling cut from her only months after having to kill a man who was once your best friend in front of your kid all after waking up in a zombie apocalypse and see how you all react. To say ricks reaction was over the top is pretty ridiculous. Its all about context and ricks reaction was understandable in the context of things and even out of context i expect it. Some people break things, some people shut down, and some collapse. Everyone grieves different in different situations. It doesnt mean they are weak or not a man. It means they are human beings.

Carl will never be the same. There isnt enough therapy and medication in the world to fix him. He will be a broken human being after this and rick knows that. As a parent this would feel like the worst kind of failure. On top of that he lost his wife with unspoken words between them. And he has a new child. Honestly its a wonder he didnt just pass out from it all.
Thank you! Rick's reaction was so natural and raw. The man just lost the love of his life during a zombie apocalypse, and he broke down right there. You could even see the disappointment he had in Carl and himself for not being able to save Lori. He was weak, and that reaction was genuine.

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I've never seen anyone react to anything like that. Except maybe Al Pacino in Godfather III.

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I've never seen anyone react to anything like that. Except maybe Al Pacino in Godfather III.
Have you ever seen someone lose their wife(that they luckily reunited with earlier) during a zombie apocalypse where hope is lost and love gives you strength to go on?

I didn't think so.


Not even just that, but this is a man who just lost his beloved spouse. Anyone that really loved their wife or husband would break down in a moment like that(zombie apocalypse or not). It's a feeling of loneliness, and during this zombie apocalypse there's even more loneliness than normal. Just imagine what his reaction would have been if he had lost a child.

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