All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - Part 15

[solidsnake86]

Originally Posted by BH/HHH

There was an 8 minute preview that was shown as part of Smallville's season four finale.

Also as for MOS not having a prologue with The Hobbit maybe the film doesn't have a prologue setup like the Dark Knight or the Dark Knight Rises did. Still I suppose they could have gone with Begins 8 min preview route. Infact maybe they still could if it was for TV with the Arrow season finale. Probably not but we can always have hope.

I was thinking they may end up doing this, obviously it would boost arrow's ratings which are doing well for the cw. But I'm not sure if its the best thing in terms of awareness for MOS.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by herolee10

Well on another note, it's just been confirmed that Star Trek 2 will not only have its prologue featured at selected theaters with the release of "The Hobbit", but now they will have a theatrical trailer released with it as well.

Man, that is just overkill. I guess there's no such thing as too much exposition in Hollywoodland.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It was obvious that a Trek trailer was going to be released alongside the first 9 minute preview. Not shocking news at all.

[Marvin]

TDKR did the same thing. It's hardly overkill.

No trailer by years end would be a bad sign. Still can't believe we've only gotten one still...This seems unusual for a reboot.
-see spiderman/batman/thor

[herolee10]

Originally Posted by Marvin

TDKR did the same thing. It's hardly overkill.

No trailer by years end would be a bad sign. Still can't believe we've only gotten one still...This seems unusual for a reboot.
-see spiderman/batman/thor

I think it has to do with the fact that when the first still had been released, they were still going on with the mindset that the film was going to be released in Winter 2012. Before they coudl release any more, they had changed their schedule, thus halting any new stills that would have likely been released later; waiting till we got closer till the new summer 2013 date.

[Marvin]

Possibly.
At the same time I'm sure they knew people would be getting snap shots during production and wanted to present their work on their own terms(such as hiding the trunks).

[The Shield]

I think it's both. But for sure they wanted to officially show the suit first. Synder said so.

[echostation]

Um they should really attach like 6-7 minutes of footage of Superman for IMAX with the Hobbit... what an awesome kick ass way to really build hype and publicity...

There's been such little advertising, promotional material or anything on this movie so far... it's like dead in the water... I know it's probably just my fanboy anxiousness but I feel like this whole movie is being poorly or totally ignored

[HighFivingMF]

Originally Posted by echostation

Um they should really attach like 6-7 minutes of footage of Superman for IMAX with the Hobbit... what an awesome kick ass way to really build hype and publicity...

There's been such little advertising, promotional material or anything on this movie so far... it's like dead in the water... I know it's probably just my fanboy anxiousness but I feel like this whole movie is being poorly or totally ignored

It's just the anxiousness thing you mentioned.

[herolee10]

At this point, there are days where I really feel like we won't be getting anything till March or Feb since the lack of info is depressing.

If we end up getting anything substantial before this year is up; I'll be doing this all over again:

[ConnorKon-El]

I trust WB in marketing this film, i'm not worried. I just hope they don't try to rush all the promo the last 2 months before the film comes out. If no trailer is attached to Hobbit, they should just gradually start promo in January, and increase the promo with each passing month.

[charl_huntress]

Hm....the same ole thing.

[BH/HHH]

Originally Posted by solidsnake86

I was thinking they may end up doing this, obviously it would boost arrow's ratings which are doing well for the cw. But I'm not sure if its the best thing in terms of awareness for MOS.

I think it's one of those things it wouldn't help much but wouldn't harm either. I think the reason they did the Begins one with Smallville was to show that this Batman was different to the last one (B&R) and in a way I could see MOS doing the same for that reason, remember there were non co if fans who watched Smallville and I'm sure there are those that watch Arrow. Tbh I don't see it happening but a man can dream lol.

[G.Godfrey]

I remember that Batman Begins preview. I thought it showed way, way too much. I wouldn't want the same for Man of Steel (yes yes I know I can avoid watching it...but I wouldn't be able to ). And I just don't want MOS on CW, period!

As for The Hobbit and the prologue, I was not expecting one anyway. I guess it only sucks because Star Trek is seemingly getting the spotlight while MOS may not. Otherwise, no prologue is fine.

I think Marvin and The Shield made some excellent points in the last few pages but Im on a wait and see mode for the next month before I start complaining about anything, but I do want to say two things.

I don't know why some users feel the need to frown upon (or make useless sarcastic remarks) those who supposedly ´´complain`` about the lack of news? I don't ever see anyone (or people who feel otherwise) doing that if someone says ´´I don't want news because I like the mystery`` or ´´I can wait, I don't need the news``. So what's the problem if someone feels otherwise and expresses it? A. It's harmless. B. There is NOTHING else to talk about and C. Marketing is a valid (and important) topic of discussion. So just to conclude if you complain about the ´´complainers`` you are just as ´´lame`` as you may think they are.

And another thing, someone said that it's useless to compare the marketing of MOS to other, similar movies. I disagree. It can be fun and interesting, especially if there are parallels. Such as MOS lagging behind in it's current time until release, compared to last 3 release of the similar variety from the same studio, especially in terms of movie stills (in terms of that even compared to Begins).

Like I said, Im sure we'll get the trailer, poster and the rest next month. It only makes sense. So I say, let's not worry too much until then.

[G.Godfrey]

Originally Posted by Marvin

So instead of WB featuring minutes of MoS(a film so far in production that it was originally scheduled to be released in a few weeks mind you), before it's own feature The Hobbit(a film so big and full of genre and demanding the same audience as MOS mind you). They instead let the direct competition in the form of Paramount's StarTrek(squeal of all things) play ahead ala TheDark Knight(and TDKR)?! no....

My dear lord. Well there goes that theory that they are going with the Nolan genre template of marketing. They may or may not release the standard christmas trailer, but it really looks like WB isn't broadcasting that this is the event picture they are fully behind and thus we shouldn't all be too, next year. Don't be surprised if we don't get a full trailer till next year. Moreover, don't be surprised if we don't get another production still. Just more mentions in other interviews by various cast telling us, not only things we already know(more serious..etc) but things they've been saying from day one(superman is the grand daddy...etc).

Come on already...just because this film isn't coming out in a few weeks any more doesn't mean you have to shelve it's buzz as well.

..they better at least release trailer two with hobbit(to get out buzzed by star trek no doubt) or I'll take my shot at making one of those hitler responds to myself.

Originally Posted by Marvin

If there was nothing more of MoS till super bowl, that would grounds enough not to care.

More to the point, if MoS performs as well as Marvels last Thor movie, that would be grounds enough not to care. What you care about is up to you. I personally would rather WB give it every chance in the world, especially in light of the fact that it already has more disadvantages than the likes of much of it's competition next year(that includes wolverine).

Heck, if MoS didn't show up at SDCC, that would be grounds enough not to care. In hindsight.

The fact of the matter is if you look back at the 3 or so films that have gotten a prologue in recent memory, any one can deny as to the marketing help it provided to films simply on online word of mouth alone(obviously like comic con, no one actually sees these things), but it's like the joker said: "It's about the message." It showed those studios were bloody excited for those films and thus many in our position followed suit. Paramount is bloody excited for Startrek 2. It would be something if WB was to show if they were excited for this, arguably their biggest and definitely their most significant film of next year(perhaps of the many years to follow, if it truly is their launching point).
If they made a prologue for the next "air bender"(and it was good) I'm sure that'd work many wonders for the skeptics, on boldness alone. If WB thinks they can simply release this movie in june and market it on name alone and still expect massive returns(and they should expect massive returns) then they need to put some work in. How's about starting twith a second production still, no? Well why not...perhaps cause they don't want to take the buzz away from the next batman movie..again.
These things(prologues) aren't necessary, the transformers films do plenty fine without them right? Right.

Truth is I only bring it up cause many were under the pretense that there was a nolan operandi at play here, clearly not. Cause they have little excuses(production/distributionrights/timing) not to. That prologue for Trek will play, and it will be covered all over these sites...buzz aplenty, and I'll be right here saying, WB deciding not to give their most significant film of the next little while this moment is grounds enough not to care. And maybe that's true, a trailer may just suffice(hopefully not one like the last).

Originally Posted by Arach Knight

I don't care about a prologue but the first trailer leaves much to be desired. It does little to effectively communicate the tone of the film or direction of the plot. Aside from fandom, the current trailer does little to elicit excitement/buzz/hype. I remember the old WTC Spider-Man trailer, right before it got a hard ban. I saw it online and was immediately excited even though it told no plot points. It simply had an energy that made you want to see what was going to be done with the character.

The existing Man Of Steel trailer is so somber, that if not for my knowledge of Zack Snyder's kinetic directing style, David Goyer's effective scripts and the competent production of Christipher Nolan, I'd fear that this film would be too much like Superman Returns...all based on the uninteresting trailer. I know a better trailer will come, but given the maligned state of the Superman film franchise, I expected Warner Bros. to put a better foot forward than what amounted to a promo for Deadliest Catch.

Originally Posted by The Shield

I tend to agree with you here but for me personally it's a small build up of nervousness since we haven't had anything since the teaser 5 months ago. I mentioned earlier I wouldn't watch a prologue anyway. It's just we've had nothing for so long not even a simple picture of the Kents in character. Let alone anything official announced. Just a bit nervous. It's shadow of decades of let downs hanging over me I guess. It's hard to shake completely, trust me I've tried. I still have a way better feeling about this one. I just want a little more confidence shown from them just to say, "No worries fans, we're not. Here's some proof".

Originally Posted by The Shield

It's easy to be a wait and see guy when it's not your one favorite character that's put out crap for decades or been in movie hell otherwise. I am a wait and see guy with everything else. The Avengers, Spiderman, Batman, Thor, Captain America, Hulk, The Hobbit... For me those are meh, I'll wait and see. But I'm sure like you said in every forum you have panic because to those people it means something to them. I think that the MOS forum has had the least panic if someone where to compare. We seem to be more on the side of optimism and that's surprising if you consider how much we've been crapped on with our character in the past. More than any other fan out there I'd say. Movies, Media, and comic wise. I think we've earned a little sweat sometimes.

Originally Posted by echostation

Um they should really attach like 6-7 minutes of footage of Superman for IMAX with the Hobbit... what an awesome kick ass way to really build hype and publicity...

There's been such little advertising, promotional material or anything on this movie so far... it's like dead in the water... I know it's probably just my fanboy anxiousness but I feel like this whole movie is being poorly or totally ignored

[BH/HHH]

I agree it gave away far too much, if they did a preview though they could just do a 3 or 4 minute preview. Even if it is on the CW it makes sense to put something like a preview with a comic book show like arrow. It can only help in my opinion.

[violetspike123]

I hope they give a prologue and a trailer.

[Smashlilman]

Originally Posted by ConnorKon-El

I trust WB in marketing this film, i'm not worried. I just hope they don't try to rush all the promo the last 2 months before the film comes out. If no trailer is attached to Hobbit, they should just gradually start promo in January, and increase the promo with each passing month.

For some reason I think Warner brothers is wary of having Man of Steel's hype competing with the build up to Iron man 3's hype. They won't rev up the hardcore Marketing engines for Man of Steel until a week after Iron man 3 is released.

[The Shield]

Originally Posted by G.Godfrey

G.Godfrey, I thank you sir! It's like a condemning sin around here to voice any type of sweat. No matter how you try to word it. lol Kind on you. I think I'll distract myself for a while... Maybe I'll show you guys what I've been working on. Seems like I'm always posting other artist's works so maybe I need to work on some of my own to share to pass the time.

[Marvin]

I will personally be trying to avoid any footage they release(if they ever do). My disappointment stems not so much from my personal need to see anything(I'd rather not). I Would just hope, like I said, that WB did everything they could and did it right.
All the people that are happy there is no prologue for example. Are these people really actually happy about that? I somewhat understand indifference but can someone actually say Paramount is making a bad move and that WB has made this same "bad move" in the past? I don't know how it was around the batboards (I mostly avoid them) but I would imagine their traffic when through the roof around that time and for that reason(among others). WB simply announcing there was going to be a prologue playing pushed that second bat film into one to watch status, regardless of the footage. It simply said here comes the next Nolan Bat film and we're treating it just as special as we did the last one. Lack of that just doesn't seem like something to celebrate, and on principle that makes it something to criticize.

I personally loved that first teaser, but I would and did argue on the side that given present circumstances something more along the SDCC footage would have made more sense. I'm sure Singer could have cut similar footage from Returns to that teaser(obviously not as well shot), and that's not a good thing. What he couldn't have done is cut something similar to the SDCC footage and that means something, especially to an indifferent audience.

Of course the main counter point is that, "it will come" in time. Sure but look at it in extremes if you will. Release the ultimate MoS trailer 2 years ago vs Releasing the ultimate MoS trailer a day before the film opens. The more time things have to fester in a hyper positive environment the better. It's something I would compare to TDK festering and building 3 years worth of hype for TDKR. Unlike alot of films of this sort, they aren't just fighting for hype, they're fighting against a specific form of indifference.

I suppose they could be doing worse, Green Lantern springs to mind, but even they had more material out for digestion at this point, they simply blew it with that first trailer, mainly due to where they were in production....

[Deathlok]

I'll be happy seeing a couple of trailers, but I definitely would avoid a prologue like Star Trek is getting.

9 minutes is really going to show an awful lot. I want to be surprised when I go to the cinema to see MoS.

[G.Godfrey]

Originally Posted by Smashlilman

For some reason I think Warner brothers is wary of having Man of Steel's hype competing with the build up to Iron man 3's hype. They won't rev up the hardcore Marketing engines for Man of Steel until a week after Iron man 3 is released.

Nah, it doesn't work that way. One studio won't not promote their own blockbuster just because a another studio is also releasing theirs in the similar time. There are plenty of ´´big`` movies coming out around IM3 and MOS, so what, nobody will promote anything? Besides, I doubt the hype IM3 will get. Personally, im bored of Iron Man and IM2 left a bad taste in my mouth (which Avengers didn't wash away). Anyway, if WB poorly or insufficiently markets Man of Steel it will won't have anything to do with Iron Man 3.

And by all means, MOS should be an event movie, bigger than Iron Man 3 even, come on, it's going to be the 75th anniversary of the worlds greatest (and arguably first) superhero, a pop culture icon! I know nowadays most people don't give a s**t about that but WB should be acting like they should give a s**t and maybe they will. WB needs to show confidence with their own product for anyone to even notice. Of course, now im talking about the future (2-3 months before the movie comes out) and not the current situation, which is that we need an ass kicking trailer with The Hobbit.

[G.Godfrey]

Originally Posted by The Shield

G.Godfrey, I thank you sir!

Originally Posted by The Shield

It's like a condemning sin around here to voice any type of sweat. No matter how you try to word it. lol Kind on you.

I know what you mean, yeah. Even though I don't give a damn if someone doesn't like what I have to say I still sometimes go the extra mile to word it so that it comes off in a way that wont make anyone drop their pants. Sometimes it almost appears like a very, very subtle form of bullying, lol! In real life I can just suplex the bully or ram my fist in his liver but online you gotta use your keyboard. The keyboard is mightier than the sword!

Originally Posted by The Shield

I think I'll distract myself for a while... Maybe I'll show you guys what I've been working on. Seems like I'm always posting other artist's works so maybe I need to work on some of my own to share to pass the time.

You make art? By all means, share! If you haven't noticed, at the moment there isn't exactly a lot to talk about around here. And I love checking out Super art (pun intended) good or bad.

[G.Godfrey]

Originally Posted by Marvin

I will personally be trying to avoid any footage they release(if they ever do). My disappointment stems not so much from my personal need to see anything(I'd rather not). I Would just hope, like I said, that WB did everything they could and did it right.
All the people that are happy there is no prologue for example. Are these people really actually happy about that? I somewhat understand indifference but can someone actually say Paramount is making a bad move and that WB has made this same "bad move" in the past? I don't know how it was around the batboards (I mostly avoid them) but I would imagine their traffic when through the roof around that time and for that reason(among others). WB simply announcing there was going to be a prologue playing pushed that second bat film into one to watch status, regardless of the footage. It simply said here comes the next Nolan Bat film and we're treating it just as special as we did the last one. Lack of that just doesn't seem like something to celebrate, and on principle that makes it something to criticize.

I personally loved that first teaser, but I would and did argue on the side that given present circumstances something more along the SDCC footage would have made more sense. I'm sure Singer could have cut similar footage from Returns to that teaser(obviously not as well shot), and that's not a good thing. What he couldn't have done is cut something similar to the SDCC footage and that means something, especially to an indifferent audience.

Of course the main counter point is that, "it will come" in time. Sure but look at it in extremes if you will. Release the ultimate MoS trailer 2 years ago vs Releasing the ultimate MoS trailer a day before the film opens. The more time things have to fester in a hyper positive environment the better. It's something I would compare to TDK festering and building 3 years worth of hype for TDKR. Unlike alot of films of this sort, they aren't just fighting for hype, they're fighting against a specific form of indifference.

I suppose they could be doing worse, Green Lantern springs to mind, but even they had more material out for digestion at this point, they simply blew it with that first trailer, mainly due to where they were in production....

Originally Posted by Deathlok

I'll be happy seeing a couple of trailers, but I definitely would avoid a prologue like Star Trek is getting.

9 minutes is really going to show an awful lot. I want to be surprised when I go to the cinema to see MoS.

I'll watch the trailers but try to avoid the TV clips and any spoilers that might leak. I too want to be at least a bit surprised when I go see the movie, although I guess I should have thought about that before watching every set pic and the like. It's hard to both want to follow the film and join in on the hype fun (like on this forum) and avoid spoilers at the same time.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's not that I'm saying don't ever worry but you guys are acting like it's a forgone conclusion that a trailer won't be released this year, that it will come out two months before the film is to premiere. That theory of you guys is not set in stone and to pretend that it is is to engage in pure hyperbole.

All I'm saying is that every movie that hypes itself for 1 or two years isn't a mega hit. Tron Legacy had to have one of the longest marketing campaigns for a blockbuster film and it still didn't break any records and a sequel still hasn't officially been announced. (That over 200mil budget and what had to be well over 100mil marketing budget is probably making the mouse house a little leery of green-lighting it right away).

If the trailer isn't released in December then I will think that WB is nuts and believes they have another GL on their hands. Normal people don't even pay attention to marketing until 2 or 3 months before a film comes out so 6 months or good, smart marketing is plenty of time, the movie itself just has to deliver the goods after that.