Discussion: The Petraeus Situation

[Anita18]

Originally Posted by DACrowe

Her husband doesn't exactly sound like a victimized "rich doctor" either considering he didn't work and instead spent around a $100,000 of that charity's money on food, travel, and "entertainment."

Still, I give them credit for convincing Petraeus to somehow make her an "honorary consul" for South Korea to the point where a coal man flew her to New York and Hawaii as a liaison with S. Korean officials and then demanded 2% ($80 million) out of the deal and caused it to fall through.

And I thought Homeland was unbelievably over-the-top.

I should be more concerned about the fiscal cliff or the Middle East on fire, but somehow this story is just so entertaining.

I'd rather not think about the fiscal cliff either, but there are still many people in NY and NJ without power after Sandy.

But yes, this is gleefully lurid. Bunch of "important" people being pathetic.

[Cosmic]

I'm stunned by the level of drama in this case. I respect Petraeus for what he's done in service to his country for many years. I'm really disappointed that he would be so careless, knowing what the consequences might be, considering the position he holds officially and symbolically. He should set the example for good conduct for all members of the military and DoD.

I also feel that the UCMJ could use some tweaking in regards to fraternization. But rules are rules, and if junior servicemembers get punished harshly for it, than seniors should also, and often do. As far as the classified information goes...I don't have enough info, but to say that to even put it at risk because of a personal relationship is just unacceptable, especially for the position he holds.

Ultimately, I think he needed a true friend by his side to warn him of the potential for danger before it went too far. It's common for people who are smart, successful, and extremely hard-working to also be very lonely and drawn into affairs. He's spent an insane amount of time on deployment. His fellow officers who knew that an affair was brewing but looked the other way should've looked out for him by telling him to hold off, instead of simply looking the other way.

[dnno1]

In most cases Truecrypt can be cracked. Most people won't take advantage of a lengthy password and even if they do, in most of those cases a simple dictionary or brute force search can reveal the goods.

[Paradoxium]

That's the user end not the algorithm. They can only brute force it, and that could take years with cray servers with crappier passwords. I have a 40 characters password, randomized in numbers, lower/upper letters and different characters for my Truecrypt containers. No "words" either.

[dnno1]

Originally Posted by Paradoxium

That's the user end not the algorithm. They can only brute force it, and that could take years with cray servers with crappier passwords. I have a 40 characters password, randomized in numbers, lower/upper letters and different characters for my Truecrypt containers. No "words" either.

Only if the password is 256 characters long. Most people can't remember a password that long unless it is a song or a verse and then you could use a dictionary search to crack that. Sure, they could use a password like
rP;WEk"\T:$5Z1Z<qtqo8rVl!G,i*4bt9me,7|&=}*4m8?%:~ 69mB%DG|E_olwut@!,
but I doubt they would remember it and thus would store it somewhere be it on a piece of paper or (better yet) a thumb drive or other magnetic storage device (which has a chance of being seized with a search warrant). I seriously doubt that two people having an affair would want to go to that type of trouble. I would imagine someone doing something illegal would want to use something like Truecrypt and use a long complex password, but I am doubtful that the average person would go out of their way to take full advantage of software like that.

[bullets]

Originally Posted by Bathead

Did anyone see how Fox is trying to spin this into some sort of conspiracy by the Obama administration? Basically, they're asking why wasn't this revealed BEFORE the election?, posibly becasue it would have hurt Obama?
The problem with that is, is that it was known and by a prominent Republican (I forget who) to boot.

Mark Levin was really vocal about the situation before the election. Then the scandal broke out. I can't say it's a conspiracy but see how it could be viewed that way.

[Paradoxium]

Originally Posted by dnno1

Only if the password is 256 characters long. Most people can't remember a password that long unless it is a song or a verse and then you could use a dictionary search to crack that. Sure, they could use a password like
rP;WEk"\T:$5Z1Z<qtqo8rVl!G,i*4bt9me,7|&=}*4m8?%:~ 69mB%DG|E_olwut@!,
but I doubt they would remember it and thus would store it somewhere be it on a piece of paper or (better yet) a thumb drive or other magnetic storage device (which has a chance of being seized with a search warrant). I seriously doubt that two people having an affair would want to go to that type of trouble. I would imagine someone doing something illegal would want to use something like Truecrypt and use a long complex password, but I am doubtful that the average person would go out of their way to take full advantage of software like that.

A 40 character password would take longer than the age of the Universe, if you used every GPU available on the planet (most efficient way to brute force it).

SimplyTypingSomethingLikeThisIsEnough123 is a pain in the ass to brute force. Quite easy to remember too. What's galling is they made no attempt to encrypt.

The former director of the CIA is computer illiterate. So was his biographer who was in intelligence.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

I think this is a smokescreen for the Benghazi Affair.

[dnno1]

Originally Posted by Paradoxium

A 40 character password would take longer than the age of the Universe, if you used every GPU available on the planet (most efficient way to brute force it).

SimplyTypingSomethingLikeThisIsEnough123 is a pain in the ass to brute force. Quite easy to remember too. What's galling is they made no attempt to encrypt.

The former director of the CIA is computer illiterate. So was his biographer who was in intelligence.

Look the National Institute of Justice (NIJ) Electronic Crime Technology Center of Excellence has tested this software and have a report out on it. Their conclusions were that the product performed as advertised, but It can be cracked if the user does not reboot his computer. You can find the password in the RAM of the motherboard. In spite what you might think Truecrypt can be cracked. It's just of matter of when and how you seize the suspect computer.

[Paradoxium]

Originally Posted by dnno1

Look the National Institute of Justice (NIJ) Electronic Crime Technology Center of Excellence has tested this software and have a report out on it. Their conclusions were that the product performed as advertised, but It can be cracked if the user does not reboot his computer. You can find the password in the RAM of the motherboard. In spite what you might think Truecrypt can be cracked. It's just of matter of when and how you seize the suspect computer.

No offense but did you actually say, RAM of the motherboard?

Of course it's on the RAM. It's where all the temporary data is stored. In all instances, you've been trying to find the most circumstantial stuff usually by someone sloppy. Keylogging, weak passwords and now the RAM? Just do a clean dismount, you have to do that anyways.

Hell I will be charitable and give you this. Create an instant kill button.

"C:\Program Files\TrueCrypt\truecrypt.exe" /dismount /force /wipecache /quit /silent

Still got absolutely nothing when it comes to brute force, circumventing the algorithm or backdoors. In most circumstances you are dealing with a cleanly encrypted drive or container. Thanks for trying though

[Cosmic]

Petraeus and his mistress didn't need to be computer literate, they just needed to refrain from using personal email to discuss or transfer sensitive information. Even the most junior intelligence officers know they can get fried for failing to properly protect classified info.

[Kelly]

They simply needed to stay out of each other's pants....

[Excel]

With whats going on in the middle east, in China, in Europe...this is the big news story? An unfaithful husband?

Aye aye aye

[Kelly]

Well, this isn't exactly a normal straying husband....lol

[Pink Ranger]

Originally Posted by Excel

With whats going on in the middle east, in China, in Europe...this is the big news story? An unfaithful husband?

Aye aye aye

I'll be the one to say it: it's bloody entertaining, this stuff. It's like the Jersey Shore kids all grew up joined the Defence Department.

[Smashlilman]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wooden Alligator

I think this is a smokescreen for the Benghazi Affair.

What's funny to me is that everyone involved is a Republican yet this is a Democratic cover up. Frederick Humphries (The FBI agent that launched the investigation), Paula Broadwell, Jill Kelley, Petraeus, Gen. John Allen , Eric Cantor, and the Congressman that Humphries leaked the investigation to were all Republicans.

It's a side show but not a cover up attempt.

[dnno1]

Originally Posted by Paradoxium

No offense but did you actually say, RAM of the motherboard?

Of course it's on the RAM. It's where all the temporary data is stored. In all instances, you've been trying to find the most circumstantial stuff usually by someone sloppy. Keylogging, weak passwords and now the RAM? Just do a clean dismount, you have to do that anyways.

Hell I will be charitable and give you this. Create an instant kill button.



Still got absolutely nothing when it comes to brute force, circumventing the algorithm or backdoors. In most circumstances you are dealing with a cleanly encrypted drive or container. Thanks for trying though

I know you are trying to play it off by saying that people are being sloppy, but being neat with your computing is not an easy thing to do. The fact of the matter is that as long as you have your computer on, more times than none Truecrypt can be cracked. Furthermore, a password that is 44 characters long that is in a string of common dictionary words does not take 14 billion years to decipher since that set is a lot smaller than just random letters. Case closed.

[DACrowe]

Who is that standing next to Obama? I must be falling out of pop culture to not get that.

[Excel]

Originally Posted by Kelly

Well, this isn't exactly a normal straying husband....lol

Still, it seems as though the very same people who criticize others interest in Jersey Shore and Honey Boo boo are the ones eating up this story.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by Excel

Still, it seems as though the very same people who criticize others interest in Jersey Shore and Honey Boo boo are the ones eating up this story.

Well considering I've never watched even a second of either.....I can't really comment on that....

[Excel]

Its all the same. Americans just love drama nowadays. Older folks criticize youngsters for watching Jersey Shore, where all they do is get drunk and hook up, but they are the ones eating up this scandal (it sure as hell is not anyone under the age of 30). It is the same thing, different age.

Nobody seems to care about Tele Viv bombings, but Jill Kelley? OMG. SO IMPORTANT.

[Kelly]

Apparently it is who you hang out with then Excel....because all I have talked about with my friends for the past 2 days was Israel. I'm not sure that they would know who Jill Kelley was, even I had to think for a minute and look at the title and remember "oh yeah, she's the other....other woman." We talked about Israel in my classes yesterday, I haven't mentioned Petraeus...The news today, that I saw was more about the $250,000 tax cut off than anything else. After Petraeus' testimony, all I've heard from the news was "he has now spoken..." nothing about the affair itself. Just what he said or didn't say.

[dnno1]

Originally Posted by DACrowe

Who is that standing next to Obama? I must be falling out of pop culture to not get that.

US gymnast McKayla Maroney

My goodness man, the summer Olympics were just a few months ago.

Allow me to let you in on a neat trick. Any image you see that you do not recognize, go to http://image.google.com and drag and drop the picture into the search engine. It will tell you a lot about it.

[Holiday]

Originally Posted by dnno1

Allow me to let you in on a neat trick. Any image you see that you do not recognize, go to http://image.google.com and drag and drop the picture into the search engine. It will tell you a lot about it.

That's a great tool for finding names of porno chicks.

[Excel]

Originally Posted by Kelly

Apparently it is who you hang out with then Excel....because all I have talked about with my friends for the past 2 days was Israel. I'm not sure that they would know who Jill Kelley was, even I had to think for a minute and look at the title and remember "oh yeah, she's the other....other woman." We talked about Israel in my classes yesterday, I haven't mentioned Petraeus...The news today, that I saw was more about the $250,000 tax cut off than anything else. After Petraeus' testimony, all I've heard from the news was "he has now spoken..." nothing about the affair itself. Just what he said or didn't say.

I am just talking yahoo.com. Main headline: "Kelly 'scared', wanted $80 million" - side story: Israel prepares for ground invasion'.