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Okay, here's a little detail I just noticed, could be nothing, but several of those warriors have a circle design on their armor, I've seen it on a number of them, including the guys on the previous page riding horses that I posted pictures of. This is the ceiling to the Chapel at Greenwich which supposedly has also been used some for filming...
![]() out of curiosity, does anyone recognize the symbol on the column from the Bourne Woods scenes from anything? Is seems to be different from the above circle images. Also, note there are 3 stone columns, and 3 Norns in Nornheim. ![]() ![]() ![]() Just going back to the possibility of Vanaheim, NornHeim and Asgard all being involved in a Game of Thrones style war at the top of the film (partially involving the Bourne Woods scene). I just wanted to bring up again a point I made and some information to tie in with all of that. This is from when we were talking about this in the Kurse thread... Quote:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4788909/ has a bit of that old viking look to him, doesnt he? And again, a just random marauder army would not need a guy to lead them who specifically has a "ginger" beard, but they may want that for someone leading the Vanir army. and here is a picture I've found that I haven't seen yet. Note the guy on the white horse, because I have a feeling you'll notice him in the film, due to the fact that everyone else seems to be riding brown and black horses. ![]() ![]() here he is again with his helmet off and it appears he may have that same circle symbol again on his chest. note: Freyr, with his sister Freya, were originally Vanir in the myths and Freyr has a horse named Blodighofi - per one myth website: ("The one with blood on the hoofs") The horse wasn't afraid of either fire or smoke. more info on Freyr, who according to wiki here anyway, has that ship Skidbladnir (not Odin apparently), and he has a magic sword which ' fights on its own "if wise be he who wields it".' note the large sword in his hand there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyr He also dies during Ragnarok by Surtur per this article. Last edited by elizah72; 11-23-2012 at 10:56 AM. |
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Exactly. Earlier on that guy was going WAY to deep. HUGE posts that were simply too long for us to read
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I think imaginations are starting to kick into over-drive, too much over-analysis.
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I know I'm probably confusing everybody with this all, but let me sum up what my current thinking is about the Bourne Woods stuff.
I think it is Nornheim being attacked by the Vanir. They and the Asgardians are having a Game of Thrones style melee with the Vanir sick of the Asgardians being in charge and looking to take over power of the 9 realms now that they see that the bridge is gone and Odin is weakening. Freyr (guy on white horse) is king of Vanaheim, or he is sent by his father Njord who is king to oversee this battle. it may be at the same time this is going on, that Odin's palace is also attacked by the Dark Elves and probably something magical is stolen from Odin for Malekith to use later for his plans to make Earth and other realms Dark (and Frigga is killed then if that spoiler is true). The Asgardians are pretty decimated and so Thor must go with Loki to Valhalla to get reinforcements. Odin must stay behind and both oversee fighting off the Vanir and other threats to Asgard. The chapel at Greenwich, the first time I looked at it, made me think 'I wonder if they'll make that into an alternate throne room for a different realm'. So, those symbols on those warriors being so similar to the ceiling, make me think that will be the throne room at Vanaheim for a scene or two. Eventually, the Asgardians, Vanir, and Nornheim, are faced with the huge threat of (probably) Surtur who is also taking an opportunity to attack Asgard now (towards the end of the movie). So Vanaheim, Nornheim and Asgard must all come to a truce if they hope to stop him. Meanwhile, Malekith invades Earth and tries to make it dark so that he and the Elves can come above ground (referring again to them turning to stone if they are exposed to sunlight, in the myths). Thor finds out about this and insists on returning on his own, and not staying back to help fight against the Vanir and so goes down and does battle against the elves Malekith and Kurse. I feel like it is likely he doesnt find out about Surtur attacking until he gets back. |
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@Elizah: you seem to be suggesting the guy on the white horse may be Freyr, or at least one of the Vanir. I'm inclined to agree. Do you think that battle is in Nornheim or Vanaheim?
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So Earth would be a Dark World, then.
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Well, if it's not what they actually do with the movies, then we can think of it as an alternate telling of the tale. It's a lot of stuff I had not thought about, so it is interesting.
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![]() And as I said above I think the Vanir are attacking Nornheim, on their way to attacking and trying to take over Asgard. Yes. I am thinking that could very well be. I was thinking it might have been referring to Hel before but now, yes I agree with that. (for the moment! lol) |
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But I suspect you are right. In a movie, they probably want the symbolism to be more distinct to help the audience keep everyone sorted. I agree; likely it's a throne room of another realm, and Vanaheim makes a lot of sense. Quote:
On another subject, let me ask you this. In the main thread was the idea of two realms/dimensions coexisting in the vicinity of the meridian line. Do you think the second realm is Svartalfheim? I'm wondering if it is Alfheim. (Right now I'm on this kick where I'd like to see Alfheim worked in somehow). Another random thought: I suppose the hints we're getting that dark elves use tech (such as space ships) suggests that they are not including in their profile the idea that they have an aversion to cold iron. (typical assumption for all Fae folk, and part of their profile on the Marvel web page). |
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Not gunna lie guys, I think we may be starting to over analyze things a little bit. Don't forget, this is a movie, there are budgets, and I am just not sure if there will be able to be THIS much going on and have it still work
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Also in regards to Freyr's horse Blodighofi. What couple pictures I've found of him have him as a white horse, it is also mentioned that he can leap through fire unharmed (which might come in handy when fighting Fire Demons and Surtur ![]() Quote:
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![]() ![]() I actually think the Vanir army attacking idea would require less of a budget then Hela's army would. It would mainly be humans so probably very little if any CGI and makeup, wheras it seems like Hela's army, or Surtur's are going to certainly require expensive CGI in some places in order to look menacing enough. It also makes sense that the Asgardians would be able to keep them at bay for a chunk of the film, whereas Hela's army, or Surtur's army, they would have a harder time keeping back, I would think. Last edited by elizah72; 11-23-2012 at 12:25 PM. |
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and just one more note on the guy on the white horse there. I've looked over those pictures pretty thoroughly. he is the only one on a white horse, even Sif has a black horse, the others are black or brown. This is right up there with having a big red bus with "moral sacrifice" on the side. This dude IS somebody of note in the movie.
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guys, maybe I missed something, so no offense I'm just trying to understand, why do you think Vanir would ever attack Asgard? Shoudn't they be allies? I know they fought, but eventually merged and in comic book they already merged, aren't they?
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yes it will be humans, but actors pay comes from the budget? Right? Wrong? I don't know. That was my main concern. The scale seems to be huge already, it just seems like all these characters may be a little cram packed for one movie. I am all for ALL of these things happening, I just...don't know how it will work in ONE movie. I do think Hela will appear though atleast. But for characters, I think all we will see from thor's rogue gallery, outside of a few armies, are malekith, surtur, kurse, and hela
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And like I said, I think it's much more feasible they could hold off the Vanir for a chunk of the film while Thor and Loki go for reinforcements, and it gives something for Odin to deal with while they do that. I think they'd have a less believable time holding off Surtur or Hela's army for that long a time before it comes to a head, so, during that time Odin and the Asgardians are dealing with that they can get some of the characterizations and "story" parts of it done, and Surtur or Hela can be hinted at for later in the film. I think it could definitely work and I'm going to be really pleased if this is the direction they go in. ![]() By the way, a man on a white horse, traditionally in film and stories is a good guy. So I think if they take any kind of note about what Branagh did in the first film, this guy on white horse character is going to be a complicated, grey and probably sympathetic antagonist, and not likely to be just a 2 dimensional bad guy. As you once said, I bet my butt. ![]() Last edited by elizah72; 11-23-2012 at 02:54 PM. |
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The Marauders are not Vanir; of that much I'm certain. The Marauders are a rag-tag band of mercenaries from across space and even time....there's even samurai amongst their lot, and medieval Chinese warriors in that battle. The only ones who resemble the Vanir are the Einherjar we see on the other side of the battlefield, and those are merely the elite guard of Asgard (the ones whose helmets look identical to Heimdall's).
As for Hela: Hela's army would be most assuredly composed of the undead. Basically a skeleton/zombie army. That's a ****load of expensive CG; and the guys in these battle scenes we've seen so far are all flesh and blood.
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We haven't seen them in MCU yet, so cant know for sure they will look like the Einerjar or the Asgardians. And in fact I'm quite certain they would go out of their way to make them look different from the Asgardians if they do use them in the film. To make that distinction.
And I'm telling you, the term "marauder" that's been thrown around is more than likely a misnomer, a general term being used because people aren't allowed to say who they actually are yet or it would give everything away. There is however this artwork that made the rounds in Sept, I'm not clear if this is the official artwork released by the studio or just something similar to what the studio presented being put up, but the one for the Vanir certainly have similarities with the warriors in the pictures. ![]() http://screencrush.com/thor-2-nine-realms (article that includes this artwork) http://www.badhaven.com/film/film-ne...ctor-who-more/ unfortunately the Vanir apparently have been used very little in the comics, but that may give them all the more reason to explore their relationship with the Asgardians in the film. That story hasn't been told yet. and since we are expecting to see most if not all 9 realms (according to that article and others), it seems very likely we will see them. Last edited by elizah72; 11-23-2012 at 07:15 PM. |
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![]() ![]() So I'm with cherokeesam on this one. And I always thought Vanir is kinda like Vanyar and esir is like Noldor eslves, if you know what i mean. Anyway, as there's only Thor and Sif in that wood battle, and it makes me think it might not be very important battle, and definitely it is faaar from main battle. Last edited by Nimloth; 11-23-2012 at 09:55 PM. |
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![]() ![]() I don't believe it is official, coz 3rd from the beginning is supposed to be Frost Giant, and no, they didn't look like this in MCU and right after him, is dark elf, and we already saw them. |
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Actually both Fandral and Volstagg are there if you look through the pictures long enough as I have (I think both are posted in the Warriors 3 thread actually), probably Hogun is there as well he just wasnt caught by the camera. It looks like an awfully expensive battle with so many extras and fire and explosions and horses, and all kinds of money on set design and costumes. So I would say if they spent that kind of money on it, and filmed it, then it's important, otherwise the characters would just mention it in passing to each other afterwards.
![]() As I have posted, more than once before, Nornheim is occupied by a very varied cast of characters including demons as well as humans, Vanaheim may be as well to some extent. So that's my explanation of those other creatures and different peoples there. (and again not that I think Karnilla will play a big part, if she shows up at all, she may only get mentioned as the ruler or something. Although she does take part in the battle against Surtur in the comics, and Freyr is apparently killed by him in the myths at least as noted above.) http://marvel.com/universe/Karnilla I'm sorry you guys don't agree, but I am sticking with this until something absolutely convinces me otherwise (and I'm pretty strongly convinced right now, that I have this right). I feel that this would be a brilliant storyline for them to do, and I think I have shown evidence that it is likely, and that it fits very very well into Thor's world and exploring the 9 realms, and the "Game of Thrones" feel. If you want to make up your own summary on how you think it will go and smoothly fit it in with what we know about Thor 2 so far then have at it. |
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well, obviously if they filmed it - it has some value, but I'm pretty sure it is not main thing, just one of the worlds, or more likely some kind of fighting at edges of Asgard.
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