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Old 12-10-2012, 05:20 PM   #226
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This is his natural size (or at least something close to it) based on how he has been portrayed in a number of mediums.
And my favorite portrayals of him were in Superman TAS and JL/JLU. Even after the merger with Brainiac he wasn't much taller than Superman. Yet he was still intimidating and imposing.

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More so than most characters, I feel that Darkseid's appearance has a bit of importance as to how effective his portrayal will be.
And of all the things needed for an effective portrayal of Darkseid, being 9ft is at the very bottom of the list. He doesn't need to be a hulking beast. He just needs the proper demeanor and attitude.

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Old 12-10-2012, 05:26 PM   #227
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I'd be happy with this design for Darkseid on film


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Old 12-10-2012, 05:59 PM   #228
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I'd like it if Darkseid ends the first JL film by killing Barry, then leaving.

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Old 12-10-2012, 06:22 PM   #231
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Here's an image I really like of Darkseid. And he's neither overly muscular or huge.


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Darkseid has three sons if you count Grayven.

Orion will look human, but Kalibak will require prostethics and CGI for his look. He needs to be a beast. I think Darkseid needs to be taller than any human could possibly be, and larger as well. Personally, I'd like a mixture of protethics and CGI for him too.
Grayven should not exist or be acknowledged in the movies.

You still don't explain why there should be CGI for Kalibak or Darkseid-- and even if Darkseid was portrayed as nine foot tall-- that can be done with greater success by scaling.

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Grayven should not exist or be acknowledged in the movies.

You still don't explain why there should be CGI for Orion, Kalibak, or Darkseid-- and even if Darkseid was portrayed as nine foot tall-- that can be done with greater success by scaling. All three of those characters can be done practically with real costumes and prosthetics.

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I said no CGI for Orion. Kalibak needs CGI simply for his size, because his features could be done with prosthetics. Darkseid needs CGI for things like touching up his prosthetics, making him larger and more muscular, and keeping his eyes glowing.

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Old 12-10-2012, 09:40 PM   #234
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Great drawing of Darkseid and his entourage.



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I said no CGI for Orion. Kalibak needs CGI simply for his size, because his features could be done with prosthetics. Darkseid needs CGI for things like touching up his prosthetics, making him larger and more muscular, and keeping his eyes glowing.
I agree that you need CGI for touch ups and his glowing eyes, but everything else can be accomplished practically. Heck, even Kalibak wouldn't require all that much CGI.


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Great drawing of Darkseid and his entourage.





I agree that you need CGI for touch ups and his glowing eyes, but everything else can be accomplished practically. Heck, even Kalibak wouldn't require all that much CGI.

Mr. Wink was great but you could tell that those were prosthetics. If they made Darkseid with great CGI like Davey Jones, and prosthetics like Hellboy, then that would be much more authentic looking than going pure prosthetics/CGI for Darkseid's body.

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Old 12-10-2012, 09:49 PM   #236
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Darkseid is stone, his muscles really don't have to flex all that much. The CGI doesn't need to be on the level of Davy Jones. I see everything being practical with CGI touch ups.

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His eyes don't need to glow. The only CGI that is required is when he actually fires beams from his eyes, but that has nothing to do with his appearance.

What is key about the look of Darkseid are the square-topped boots, the skin texture, the silhouette of the helmet which wraps under the chin, and the color blue. These are the things I focused on in the image I posted on the second page of this thread.

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That design for Darkseid would be great to see in the film!

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Great drawing of Darkseid and his entourage.





I agree that you need CGI for touch ups and his glowing eyes, but everything else can be accomplished practically. Heck, even Kalibak wouldn't require all that much CGI.
Now THAT is a Darkseid I'd like to see. Totally doable with what you describe.

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Performance capture, with how far it's come, seems to me the best way to go for Darkseid. I can't believe I actually just typed that about an Actually-potentially happening JL movie!!! This movie can kill if they let Darkseid be the true terror he is...


Performance capture would be definitely the way to go for Darkseid I think.

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Mr. Wink was great but you could tell that those were prosthetics. If they made Darkseid with great CGI like Davey Jones, and prosthetics like Hellboy, then that would be much more authentic looking than going pure prosthetics/CGI for Darkseid's body.
The thing about CGI is you know it's CGI because most often it's **** that you know can't be done on set. Animatronics and prosthetics look real because they are real-- they are actually happening in the lense of the camera.

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I agree that you need CGI for touch ups and his glowing eyes, but everything else can be accomplished practically. Heck, even Kalibak wouldn't require all that much CGI.






The one on the top would cool to see on film also!

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The only way I can get behind performance capture, is if we can get Michael Ironside as Darkseid.


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Darkseid is stone, his muscles really don't have to flex all that much. The CGI doesn't need to be on the level of Davy Jones. I see everything being practical with CGI touch ups.
I'm not saying you need muscles to flex, but Darkseid is a built guy, and I don't want any fake looking padding in his suit so I'd go with come CGI in that case.

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The thing about CGI is you know it's CGI because most often it's **** that you know can't be done on set. Animatronics and prosthetics look real because they are real-- they are actually happening in the lense of the camera.
Regardless, animatronics and prothetics don't always look real and regardless of being actual materials, it doesn't mean 100% visual authenticity. Like I said in the case of Mr. Wink, you could easily tell he was done with animatronics and prosthetics. Like I said, I'd go for a mixture of prostethetics and CGI

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I'd do a combination of Mocap and prosthetics. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

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Yeah, I don't see why it has to be one or the other either when both could work together and achieve even greater results.

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Regardless, animatronics and prothetics don't always look real and regardless of being actual materials, it doesn't mean 100% visual authenticity. Like I said in the case of Mr. Wink, you could easily tell he was done with animatronics and prosthetics. Like I said, I'd go for a mixture of prostethetics and CGI



Exactly what looks fake about these characters?

They look amazing to me. What would look fake is if they had tried to portray Hellboy as seven feet tall and 400lb with CGI demon legs.


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The only way I can get behind performance capture, is if we can get Michael Ironside as Darkseid.

I don't know, if you got Michael Ironside, would you even need mocap?

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Exactly what looks fake about these characters?

They look amazing to me. What would look fake is if they had tried to portray Hellboy as seven feet tall and 400lb with CGI demon legs.
It's funny how you say "these" characters when you only show Hellboy. He looked fantastic and his size/muscles were accurately portrayed.

However, like Hellboy, Darkseid will require some CGI for completion and touch ups.

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It's funny how you say "these" characters when you only show Hellboy. He looked fantastic and his size/muscles were accurately portrayed.

However, like Hellboy, Darkseid will require some CGI for completion and touch ups.
The image of Mr. Wink did't display.

Hellboy is a virtual full-body prosthetic. All of the muscles are fake; as well as the stone hand (which is especially relevant to the Darkseid debate). Hellboy didn't involve CGI in the character's portrayal (except one ****y looking scene in the first film where they couldn't afford the animatronic hand to crush a coke can so they animated it with computers). I assume you meant, "unlike Hellboy."

Nobody has yet to explain exactly why CGI is needed for Darkseid-- you guys just want CGI; like gaudy spinners on a car.

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