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Old 12-08-2012, 02:38 PM   #101
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Avengers didn't blow me away, but I'm intrigued at least. I did roll my eyes at how many stupid Avengers movie references there were. Hulk vs. Thor, Cap in a crashing airplane, the use of the movie team.

I'm really interested in the villains. But I could not care less about Hyperion, and he's apparently going to be really important.

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Because Cap being returned to Earth in a crashing ship was surely meant to reference the jet in the movie crashing in Manhattan, right? That's the only crashing plane I can think of Cap being in in the movie, anyway.

I mean, there's grasping at straws, and then there's grasping at straws.

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Well, then there was that whole thing in Cap's movie. You know, him being in a massive plane crash that left him frozen in the ocean? That big climactic scene? Maybe you missed that one.

But I thought the same thing in Remender's Cap issue. How many plane crashes can Cap be in in one month?

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Maybe some folks just shouldn't fly, lol.

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Well, then there was that whole thing in Cap's movie. You know, him being in a massive plane crash that left him frozen in the ocean? That big climactic scene? Maybe you missed that one.

But I thought the same thing in Remender's Cap issue. How many plane crashes can Cap be in in one month?
Sure, but that's in Captain America, not Avengers.

You did specifically mention Avengers, not other movies.

Maybe you missed that one.

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Eh, I consider all of those movies Avengers movies. I should've been more clear. My bad.

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It's dumb to complain either way on the subject.

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Not that I'm able to read full issues, but from what I can see, Bendis is doing X Men brilliantly

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not surprising. the x-men are supposed to be a bunch of snarky too cool for school *******s. the avengers ain't.

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That makes absolutely no sense.
Sure it does.

When people become so embittered over a writer writing a title they want to enjoy, they'll love anyone who isn't that writer once he's gone. It happened with Slott's Mighty Avengers and Brubaker's Secret Avengers (at first). Hickman's on the book now and I promise you Bendis has written Avengers stories way better than Avengers #1 but people hated them because it was Bendis. If Bendis would have written this exact same issue people would have called it "mediocre" or "surprisingly decent" and nitpicked it to death, but because it's someone other than Bendis, after years of him having a grip on the franchise, it's brilliant. Now, that won't last, like it didn't with Bru's Secret Avengers, and Hickman will have to support his own weight without being compared to Bendis, and we'll see what people think come that time.

My personal opinion is that Bendis has written way better, and way worse, comics than this one but that Hickman's Avengers #1 was a good read. I think he has the ability to maintain that quality, maybe even improve upon it, and I hope he does, but I'm hoping people can enjoy his run for HIS run and not because it's simply not Bendis' run.

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Not that I'm able to read full issues, but from what I can see, Bendis is doing X Men brilliantly
Bendis has always been decent at writing X-Men characters whenever he's had them guest star. He writes a good Wolverine and I've always liked it when he wrote Xavier. I was a tad worried when he got the franchise full-time but so far he's done a fantastic job.

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just curious, did you ever read avengers before bendis started writing them? i'm not that much of a bendis hater, but from my experiences, most people who are long time avengers fans don't like his work. whilst his fans only started reading avengers when he came on board, so they don't really have anything to compare him to.

personally the best avengers stories i've ever read were by busiek and stern.

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just curious, did you ever read avengers before bendis started writing them? i'm not that much of a bendis hater, but from my experiences, most people who are long time avengers fans don't like his work. whilst his fans only started reading avengers when he came on board, so they don't really have anything to compare him to.

personally the best avengers stories i've ever read were by busiek and stern.
First off, welcome to the hype

I've read some Avengers prior to Bendis but not much. I enjoyed the 90's run by... Stern I think?... with Proctor, Black Knight, Sersi, Crystal and all that. I think it was issues 340-375, somewhere in that area. It wasn't anything amazing but I enjoyed the Proctor aspects of it. I've read some of Busiek and Johns' runs hit and miss, which seemed good but didn't keep my attention (though I'd like to go back and reread at some point). Then I read Austen's run just prior to Bendis', which I enjoyed. No one's been able to really keep my attention and make me consistently like the title until Bendis.

I think I'm just a big street-level fan, therefore, I loved Bendis' approach to the team. When you throw in "classic" Avengers like Wasp, Wonder-Man, Thor, and Iron Man and I find myself caring less. I like Luke, Spider-Man, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Beast, that sort of character.

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thanks for the welcome!

and yea i get where you are coming from. i've always preferred the avengers to be a bit more cosmic, a higher level of superheroism, you know what i mean?

i think there is room for a more traditional avengers team and a more street level team like what bendis did. i think i'd have preferred him to have stayed with new avengers for all those years whilst someone else did the main book.

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I would too actually. I've always wanted Bendis to branch away from Avengers and let someone else take the big reigns so he could write the more street level team like his final New Avengers line up.

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Isn't Bendis still writing Avengers Assemble?

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Nope, Kelly Sue DeConnick took over with Caselli on art.

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Sure it does.

When people become so embittered over a writer writing a title they want to enjoy, they'll love anyone who isn't that writer once he's gone. It happened with Slott's Mighty Avengers and Brubaker's Secret Avengers (at first). Hickman's on the book now and I promise you Bendis has written Avengers stories way better than Avengers #1 but people hated them because it was Bendis. If Bendis would have written this exact same issue people would have called it "mediocre" or "surprisingly decent" and nitpicked it to death, but because it's someone other than Bendis, after years of him having a grip on the franchise, it's brilliant. Now, that won't last, like it didn't with Bru's Secret Avengers, and Hickman will have to support his own weight without being compared to Bendis, and we'll see what people think come that time.

My personal opinion is that Bendis has written way better, and way worse, comics than this one but that Hickman's Avengers #1 was a good read. I think he has the ability to maintain that quality, maybe even improve upon it, and I hope he does, but I'm hoping people can enjoy his run for HIS run and not because it's simply not Bendis' run.
I think this is more so you being defensive about Bendis's run. You've stated repeatedly that you prefer the Avengers having more street-level characters, which Bendis was the first to really do. The Avengers are getting back to facing higher level threats, which is what they've always done prior to Bendis's run, and people are excited to see that. I don't think it's people's bias towards Bendis making them like the first issue of Hickman's Avengers. I mean, if that were the case and people were hating Bendis because he's Bendis, there wouldn't be so much widespread praise of All New X-Men.

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I think Bendis started slacking at Heroic Age. Everything got a bit "samey", and the stories were messy. Prior to that, I think his writing and stories were amazing. His best being Secret Invasion, Dissembled and New Avengers.

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I think this is more so you being defensive about Bendis's run. You've stated repeatedly that you prefer the Avengers having more street-level characters, which Bendis was the first to really do. The Avengers are getting back to facing higher level threats, which is what they've always done prior to Bendis's run, and people are excited to see that. I don't think it's people's bias towards Bendis making them like the first issue of Hickman's Avengers. I mean, if that were the case and people were hating Bendis because he's Bendis, there wouldn't be so much widespread praise of All New X-Men.
Nah, I'm not one to defend a writer I like. Heck, I've ragged on Bendis myself during portions of his Avengers run. I'm just commenting on what I've seen around Hype and other sites. It seems like the most used comment (or some variant of it) is, 'A breath of fresh air after Bendis' run.' But as I've said before, I could be wrong.

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Nah, I'm not one to defend a writer I like. Heck, I've ragged on Bendis myself during portions of his Avengers run. I'm just commenting on what I've seen around Hype and other sites. It seems like the most used comment (or some variant of it) is, 'A breath of fresh air after Bendis' run.' But as I've said before, I could be wrong.
I think that you're dead wrong. Despite a few flaws (I think you and I mentioned it before) Hickman's Avengers #1 was pretty damn awesome because it is indeed a breath of fresh air after Bendis' run. Now, I actually find myself liking most of Bendis' run. Asides from Avengers: Disassembled, his run on Avengers up until the Heroic Age was pretty damn good.

I honestly think that Siege was essentially the natural end point of Bendis' run on Avengers, but because Marvel editorial had no idea what to do, they kept him on the book much longer than he should have stayed on. It's why his run from the Heroic Age until AvX felt rather dull and stale. And the same could be said for most of Marvel's major books with Brubaker's Captain America with the natural ending point being the Gulag arc, Fraction's runs on the Mighty Thor and Invincible Iron Man dragging on for too long, Way's god awful Deadpool, Marvel having no idea what to do with the Incredible Hulk, and the continuous never ending Brubaker/Fraction/Gillen era of Uncanny X-Men.

And that's why most of Marvel's new books so far have been pretty damn good. Bendis' All-New X-Men feels like a breath of fresh air. Remender's Captain America, Indestructible Hulk, Thor: God of Thunder, and Deadpool all feel like breaths of fresh air. The only book that doesn't feel like a breath of fresh air would be Gillen's Iron Man, and that's not because it isn't a good book, but because it feels like a continuation of Fraction's run.

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I think almost every series that is a part of Marvel NOW has received a breath of fresh air, though. From Fantastic Four, to Hulk, to Deadpool, to Captain America, etc. Every line has been reinvigorated by the creative shifts. Like I said, I don't think it's Bendis specific hate, but rather just excitement that the Avengers line is getting back to what it's known for with an exciting first issue and a great creative team.

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I think that you're dead wrong. Despite a few flaws (I think you and I mentioned it before) Hickman's Avengers #1 was pretty damn awesome because it is indeed a breath of fresh air after Bendis' run. Now, I actually find myself liking most of Bendis' run. Asides from Avengers: Disassembled, his run on Avengers up until the Heroic Age was pretty damn good.

I honestly think that Siege was essentially the natural end point of Bendis' run on Avengers, but because Marvel editorial had no idea what to do, they kept him on the book much longer than he should have stayed on. It's why his run from the Heroic Age until AvX felt rather dull and stale. And the same could be said for most of Marvel's major books with Brubaker's Captain America with the natural ending point being the Gulag arc, Fraction's runs on the Mighty Thor and Invincible Iron Man dragging on for too long, Way's god awful Deadpool, Marvel having no idea what to do with the Incredible Hulk, and the continuous never ending Brubaker/Fraction/Gillen era of Uncanny X-Men.

And that's why most of Marvel's new books so far have been pretty damn good. Bendis' All-New X-Men feels like a breath of fresh air. Remender's Captain America, Indestructible Hulk, Thor: God of Thunder, and Deadpool all feel like breaths of fresh air. The only book that doesn't feel like a breath of fresh air would be Gillen's Iron Man, and that's not because it isn't a good book, but because it feels like a continuation of Fraction's run.
I honestly couldn't agree with this post more, hippie.

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