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Old 12-31-2012, 02:37 PM   #326
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What do you guys think of the idea of Impossible Man being the villain?
That would guarantee a flop.

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IMO, the best way to go is some version of The Frightful Four....their are several villains they could choose from for the 4.

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IMO, the best way to go is some version of The Frightful Four....their are several villains they could choose from for the 4.
Id agree but fox doesn't own very many of the true frightful four

Medusa , sandman, hydroman, taskmaster , electro, llyra, klaw , absorbing man, beetle and lyra are all owned by other studios ....

And some of the others like trapster , contractor, titania, thundra etc... May or may not be

That pretty such gives us Wizard, Red Ghost, Dragon Man, Deadpool, Blastaar and She Thing to work with... not a great FF lineup imo

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Id agree but fox doesn't own very many of the true frightful four

Medusa , sandman, hydroman, taskmaster , electro, llyra, klaw , absorbing man, beetle and lyra are all owned by other studios ....

And some of the others like trapster , contractor, titania, thundra etc... May or may not be

That pretty such gives us Wizard, Red Ghost, Dragon Man, Deadpool, Blastaar and She Thing to work with... not a great FF lineup imo
I am sure that Wizard and Trapster are free for Fox to use - and with a little creative tweaking [ala Whiplash] they could be turned into proper threats for the FF. Sadly, Sandman is at Sony, but I would bet that Fox could use Quicksand with little or no trouble.
The real problem is Medusa, she is clearly part of Marvel's Inhumans, but she was such a corner stone of the true Frightful Four and part of their greatest story arc [FF #41-43] that it would be a shame to do them with out her. Maybe if Fox plays nice, Marvel would let them use Medusa - at least this one time.

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Quicksand originated in Thor though didn't she? so unless marvel would give that to them.... (which i don't see them playing nice after the F4 deal didn't go through)

and Marvel wants to do an inhumans film.. no way will they give her to fox.

and as for trapster..... does anyone really want that joke of a villain on film?

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Dr. Doom, Galactus/Silver Surfer, Annihilus, The Skrulls, The Kree, Klaw, or Kang.

Any of them would be better than Mole Man IMO.
The Kree, Klaw, and Kang can't be used in FF because they belong to Marvel Studios. Galactus/Silver Surfer has already been used, Doom should be saved for the second, Annihilus for the third, and I can live without seeing the Skrulls in FF. Mole Man is ideal for the first movie.

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I'd love Super Skrull, but thats me. I have a feeling Marvel will get to the Skrulls first. There is already Avengers action figures of them.

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The Kree, Klaw, and Kang can't be used in FF because they belong to Marvel Studios. Galactus/Silver Surfer has already been used, Doom should be saved for the second, Annihilus for the third, and I can live without seeing the Skrulls in FF. Mole Man is ideal for the first movie.
I have trouble imagining a successful FF franchise that isn't back at Marvel Studios. But I like Mole Man for the next movie, whether it's an origin do-over or not.

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Quicksand originated in Thor though didn't she? so unless marvel would give that to them.... (which i don't see them playing nice after the F4 deal didn't go through)

and Marvel wants to do an inhumans film.. no way will they give her to fox.

and as for trapster..... does anyone really want that joke of a villain on film?
Is he really any worse than Whiplash - a bullwhip against Iron Man - yet they turned that "joke" into a pretty cool villain in IM2 - the same can be done with Trapster or most any other character.

Yes, Quicksand did start out in Thor, but she HAS been a member of the evil FF, too - just a suggestion to keep all the cool sand gags in place - and I doubt she's high on the list of villains in the works for a Thor sequel.

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why should Annihilus be saved for the third
Because Annihilus just seems like the type of enemy you'd save for the FF to face in the third movie imo.

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Because Annihilus just seems like the type of enemy you'd save for the FF to face in the third movie imo.

They should save the biggest villain for the third film, which would be Galactus or Doctor Doom. Sadly for Fox, they already ****ed those two characters over badly in their first two films so they might not want to go there again.

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Is he really any worse than Whiplash - a bullwhip against Iron Man - yet they turned that "joke" into a pretty cool villain in IM2 - the same can be done with Trapster or most any other character.

Yes, Quicksand did start out in Thor, but she HAS been a member of the evil FF, too - just a suggestion to keep all the cool sand gags in place - and I doubt she's high on the list of villains in the works for a Thor sequel.
1... Electric whips are way cooler than glue guns

2.... No sand villain will probably happen because it will be deemed a sandman rip off to the gen public...

3... Maybe they can use the U-foes and get a hydro-man like villain out of vapor

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What do you guys think of the idea of Impossible Man being the villain?
He has the same problem Mr. Mxy has, ultimately he is just a prankster rather then a true villain.

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Impossible Man isn't really a villain, more of an annoyance. He'll help out the good guys if it falls in line with his wackiness.

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1... Electric whips are way cooler than glue guns

2.... No sand villain will probably happen because it will be deemed a sandman rip off to the gen public...

3... Maybe they can use the U-foes and get a hydro-man like villain out of vapor
Yes, that's my point. Whiplash started out in ToS as a guy in chaps and a metal tipped bull whip that could some how rip through Iron Man's armor. What they did to him in the movie [whips powered by the arc reactor] was much better.

Soooo with Trapster, you take what some see as a lame villain with a lame weapon [the past gun] and you play down that part and play up his other aspects - all the other traps and gizmos that he also shoots from his gun [hence the name Trapster]. Look at him as an evil Hawkeye - some would say a guy with trick arrows is pretty lame next to the likes of Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, etc. - and yet he worked out fine in The Avengers. With the proper care, the same can be done with Trapster and the rest of the evil FF.

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No Mole Man it would just raise the whole "Increadibles" issue.

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Trapster shooting a substance that is akin to acid that can melt various substances, including people....tell me that wouldn't be dangerous.

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Is he really any worse than Whiplash - a bullwhip against Iron Man - yet they turned that "joke" into a pretty cool villain in IM2 - the same can be done with Trapster or most any other character.

Yes, Quicksand did start out in Thor, but she HAS been a member of the evil FF, too - just a suggestion to keep all the cool sand gags in place - and I doubt she's high on the list of villains in the works for a Thor sequel.
Micky Roarke doesn't think Whiplash was a great villain and he played the part. Whiplash was an okay villain, but he was hardly the golden standard of comic book movie villains, so we shouldn't be using him as a bench mark as to what onscreen villains should be. Iron Man 2 was just an okay film, with an just okay villain, but an FF movie needs to better then okay to captivate the general audience at this point.

The problem with the Frightful Four is, they are not very interesting or thematic in their supposed role as the Anti FF. The FF are a family who had their DNA changed by cosmic radiation after a space flight and they go onto become heroes and explorers of the unknown. While the Frightful Four is just Wizard gathering up 3 other street level villains to get "revenge" on the FF for the most flimsy reasons possible. The frightful Four don't seem like an anti FF, they just like some random collection of super villains. There is not nearly enough parallels between the two groups to make their conflict interesting.

Trapster is one those characters in the comics, who never made sense. Trapster could have a fortune legitimately by simply patenting his paste, but he decided to rob banks and no reason was given why he decided that would be better. Trapster's glue gun is a pretty lame gimmick and I find the idea that Trapster is a threat to any member of the FF, a team led by the smartest man in the world, with four of the most powerful heroes around, that constantly fight cosmic horrors, completely laughable. How is his glue gun a threat to many member of the FF and how are his traps a match for Reed Richards intelligence? If Trapster brought his A-game, he might be a competent street level villain, he might be threat to DD or Spidey, if he ditched the glue gun and focused solely on traps, but he will never be believable as an FF villain.

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Yes, that's my point. Whiplash started out in ToS as a guy in chaps and a metal tipped bull whip that could some how rip through Iron Man's armor. What they did to him in the movie [whips powered by the arc reactor] was much better.

Soooo with Trapster, you take what some see as a lame villain with a lame weapon [the past gun] and you play down that part and play up his other aspects - all the other traps and gizmos that he also shoots from his gun [hence the name Trapster]. Look at him as an evil Hawkeye - some would say a guy with trick arrows is pretty lame next to the likes of Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, etc. - and yet he worked out fine in The Avengers. With the proper care, the same can be done with Trapster and the rest of the evil FF.
The problem is most of the Frightful Four seems lame and underpowered compared to the FF, not just Trapster. Wizard may be a competent gadgeteer, but he is a piss poor strategist, otherwise he would try to use superior numbers to the defeat FF or find someone more impressive then Trapster to round out his group. Reed also seems way more intelligent then Wizard is, so Wizard seems out league taking him on. Also Wizard has to be the driving force of the film, if the Frightful Four are villains and there is almost nothing to him. He is like a poor man's Lex Luthor or Dr. Doom, the writers have hardly ever developed his motives or personality to the point of making him interesting. The FF have superior power, superior intelligence and superior team work compared to the Frightful Four, so their conflicts are not interesting. Heck, plot induced stupidity is the main reason the Frightful Four is still a threat at this point, otherwise the FF outgrew them a long time ago.


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Who has Psycho-Man and Malice? Malice kicked the 3 guys asses in the comics...

AND, this could bring in the Negative zone into the picture...

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It wouldn't be hard to merge elements of the Negative Zone and the Microverse, especially regarding Malice.

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Because Annihilus just seems like the type of enemy you'd save for the FF to face in the third movie imo.
I think they should go Annihilus first, Doom second, and a large Intergalactic war for the third movie.

That is if the rights go back to Marvel Studios.

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And for the third movie you want Doom should team up or at least attempt to fight against the invaders or have his own agenda? Or even be there at all?

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Doctor Doom, Galactus, Annihilus, Mole Man and The Frightful Four seem like the best picks from which Fox has the rights to.

Which of those they choose is the question.

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I think:
Annihilus in the 1st movie. He looks cool, I dont think he'll get laughed at, he's threatening, and he will help introduce the Negative Zone
Doom in the 2nd movie. He's the one FF villain that most people can name. He's strong, he's powerful, and he's smart. He'll test the FF physically and mentally. He also has personal ties to the team.
Galactus in the 3rd movie. I know they tried this already, but I think a proper Galactus story is too big to pass up. He's a real doomsday type villain. If the team doesn't stop him they not only fail Earth, they leave Galactus wide open to destroy other planets.

That's just what i think. The stakes are raised each film, the villains grow more threatening and more personal, and visually every one of those choices have a lot of possibility for fight/action scenes

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